Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

[ilovepierre]

I am no aviation expert. So I'm not much help there.
However I have been studying plane crashes since this happened.
There have been a couple of them that went up and down, trying to regain control of the plane.
I am not sure on specifics, but I know I've heard of it happening before. :seeya:

However, it is also very consistent with a struggle. Fighting over control of the plane. :twocents:

BBM.
That's what I'm thinking too. Pilot/co-pilot struggling with the hijacker(s) or even pilot/co-pilot struggling with each other. Although I am not so sure about the second option. Still going with a terrorist hijacker.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The Timeline for Missing Flight MH370

12:41 a.m.: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 takes off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia heading for Beijing, China. The plane shows up on radar two minutes after taking off.

<more at link>


http://abcnews.go.com/International/timeline-missing-flight-mh370/story?id=22912595

Brilliant to have it all in one place, thank you. And please copy it over to thread 6 when it starts!

 

[PrairieWind]

But others would have masks too.

The oxygen generators for the passenger masks only work for about 5-10 minutes. Just long enough for a pilot to usually get the plane to a lower altitude. Pilot masks are hooked to an actual oxygen tank.

 

[lawstudent]

bbm, not quite, vietnam was to take over from malaysia.



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He did disclose that the last words heard from the flight were “All right, good night.” That was the crew’s response to Malaysian air traffic controllers who had told them the plane was entering Vietnamese air space and air traffic controllers from Ho Chi Minh city would take over.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rch-mired-in-confusion-over-planes-final-path

Thanks for some reason I was thinking when I wrote that that Ho Chi Minh is in china which is obviously idiotic. I know it's in Vietnam I must have zoned out - so that is odd. Unless they wait for a plane to enter before worrying about it.

 

[MsFacetious]

Missing MH370: SilkAir MI185 widow offers to comfort families of victims

http://news.asiaone.com/news/singap...r-mi185-widow-offers-comfort-families-victims

 

[JaimeInLA]

Remember that YouTube video that surfaced earlier this week in which that guy analyzed Flight Radar and said the plane shot up on 45,000 feet? We all dismissed it and thought he was analyzing the wrong plane or was a weird conspiracy theorist. Given the news that just broke, I'm going to go back and watch that video again&#8230;.

 

[cujenn81]

this is getting serious. Bloody Mary and a Twix. :facepalm:

Yummmm. And oddly enough, I just opened up a Twix bar myself.


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[SilkySifaka]

With this "new" news about the plane flying on for another 4 hours after it was last seen on radar, hijacking is still at the top of my list of theories. Where the plane's intended location was, I don't know, but it seems possible that it landed on some remote island in the Indian Ocean.

The problem with that is they need a mile long runway. There aren't to many of those around

 

[ilovepierre]

Remember that YouTube video that surfaced earlier this week in which that guy analyzed Flight Radar and said the plane shot up on 45,000 feet? We all dismissed it and thought he was analyzing the wrong plane or was a weird conspiracy theorist. Given the news that just broke, I'm going to go back and watch that video again….

He is a conspiracy theorist. But that's besides the point.
I still think we should give the video another look though.

 

[justthinkin]

Exactly! Why? Makes no sense. :notgood:

There's a whole lot of this that doesn't make sense, and beginning with the Malaysians. First the plane was spotted here, then it turned, then back on course, no different course altogether, no maybe not, just a rumor, blah, blah, blah.

The one thing I'm certain of is transponder or no transponder, I would be hard pressed to think US military didn't track and know exactly where all commercial planes are at all times, and whether they say so or not.

From my understanding the Malaysians have been very lax with terroristic elements in their country so as to appease them rather than incur their wrath. Not thoroughly investigating the two pilots, and specifically not entering the home of the senior pilot is very curious indeed. Almost seems like they know something, something they don't want to tell or are afraid to tell, but have yet to figure out a way to save face.

What's going on here? Is there a search for the likeliest account of why the plane was lost, something the majority of people will buy and accept?

To me, hijacking suggests the Malaysians are trying to find a plausible reason they can't be blamed. Should we find it odd the US govt. was quick to pick up on the Iranians on board as somehow responsible. Hoping for yet another justification for war????

I don't know what happened, but I feel so strongly for the families of the missing people, and all this jerking them around suggests to me something thats not above board going on in the background. I truly hope that's not the case, but who knows?

 

[Softail]

Yes, did you see the TMZ story on it? There is a huge cell tower very close to where the plane turned around and headed west. Nobody even had to text. If anyone even had their phone ON (not in airplane mode) -- it would have pinged off this tower. I know it is TMZ, but they say this cell tower is the key to solving the mystery.

Right! As of now, I am going with phones did ping off of that huge tower. They have to have the data by now. That along with the Malaysian military radar, and now the US working with them, leads me to believe it very possibly did veer off that way and crashed in the Indian Ocean. Remember it was reported earlier in the week that it went off to the west, then Malaysia denied it. Now that the US is on board with it, I tend to believe there is something to it. :twocents:

Oh and I do think it was hijacked, just because of the timing of when the communications were turned off. Right before entering VN's airspace. :twocents:

This is my opinion as of now. That could all change, at any time. :giggle:

 

[momrids6]

This is interesting and brings to my mind a new theory. Is it possible for a pilot to "vent" the cabin, somehow intentionally bleed out the air?

Yes, on this plane-. The cockpit has more air supply for their masks. The passengers have a set amount via canistered air.

Also- cockpit masks are readily available. If one pilot goes to the toilet, the other is supposed to don a mask. The cabin masks are only dropped at a certain pressure

If one believes the contact with mumbling- the mumbler was not wearing a mask. The cockpit masks have a mic

 

[Intermezzo]

I am no aviation expert. So I'm not much help there.
However I have been studying plane crashes since this happened.
There have been a couple of them that went up and down, trying to regain control of the plane.
I am not sure on specifics, but I know I've heard of it happening before. :seeya:

However, it is also very consistent with a struggle. Fighting over control of the plane. :twocents:

bbm
That was my first thought, now that I am somewhat up to speed on today's events

 

[ilovepierre]

Here's the video JaimeInLA was referring to:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZtz-HVy6c"]Busted! Flight Radar Caught Changing Flight Path of Malaysia Flight 370! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ilovepierre]

There's a whole lot of this that doesn't make sense, and beginning with the Malaysians. First the plane was spotted here, then it turned, then back on course, no different course altogether, no maybe not, just a rumor, blah, blah, blah.

The one thing I'm certain of is transponder or no transponder, I would be hard pressed to think US military didn't track and know exactly where all commercial planes are at all times, and whether they say so or not.

From my understanding the Malaysians have been very lax with terroristic elements in their country so as to appease them rather than incur their wrath. Not thoroughly investigating the two pilots, and specifically not entering the home of the senior pilot is very curious indeed. Almost seems like they know something, something they don't want to tell or are afraid to tell, but have yet to figure out a way to save face.

What's going on here? Is there a search for the likeliest account of why the plane was lost, something the majority of people will buy and accept?

To me, hijacking suggests the Malaysians are trying to find a plausible reason they can't be blamed. Should we find it odd the US govt. was quick to pick up on the Iranians on board as somehow responsible. Hoping for yet another justification for war????

I don't know what happened, but I feel so strongly for the families of the missing people, and all this jerking them around suggests to me something thats not above board going on in the background. I truly hope that's not the case, but who knows?

BBM.
I personally don't believe the two Iranians had anything to do with this plane going missing. Authorities have already ruled both of them out as being part of any terrorist organization.

 

[ManPam]

This is interesting and brings to my mind a new theory. Is it possible for a pilot to "vent" the cabin, somehow intentionally bleed out the air? Consider this: Pilot or co-pilot is either suicidal or terrorist/pirate. Gets the plane to altitude and then disables/kills the other pilot. He dons his oxygen mask and vents the plane to kill/disable the passengers. He turns and climbs to 44,000 to ensure the air is all gone and passengers deceased. He then decends to 20-23,000 ft to re-oxygenate the plane, stops the air leak, levels off. He now can remove his oxygen mask, and then proceeds to his final destination (whatever it is) without interference from anyone else. Is that possible?

It seems like a horrible "feature" if there is some way for the pilot to vent the pressurized cabin to the exterior atmosphere, but perhaps it would just be enough to fly for long enough at an altitude over the limit for it to depressurize on its own or simply not be able to keep up with the difference in pressure?

It's a rather simple yet ingenious plan if that's what they did. Everyone has been speculating how they could have smuggled something on board to instantaneously incapacitate everyone, and here they just used the plane itself.

The questions I have now are -
1. was the "erratic" flying truly erratic, or is that a term they're using because of atypical changes in altitude and direction?
2. was the erratic behavior due to a struggle, due to to a non-professional flying the plane, or due to the pilot(s) also suffering from some sort of oxygen deprivation inadvertently?
3. how did they come up with these 2 possible flight paths over the Indian Ocean, in totally different directions, and the southern one seemingly going nowhere before they'd run out of fuel?

 

[Elley Mae]

Has there been any word on what if anything was in the cargo, being transported/delivered? Just cauious as to what the pay load was.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Has anyone just watched the Ch5 (UK) documentary about this? I am just about to watch it on +1, wondering whether anything new revealed...

 

[Tssiemer]

My husband has a theory I've not heard yet. What if the pilot was in distress (terrorist threat or whatever) and was flying erratically trying to get someone's attention since all communications and radar was cut.


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[justthinkin]

BBM.
I personally don't believe the two Iranians had anything to do with this plane going missing. Authorities have already ruled both of them out as being part of any terrorist organization.

Totally agree, and didn't mean at all to imply it as a possibility.