Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #8

[aa9511]

The passports were both stolen in Malaysia.
One in 2012, one in 2013.
I remember that from like day 2 of all this mess :facepalm:

I thought one was stolen in Thailand?

Anyway, that is suspect, makes me think b/c I would think the Iranians would have had their fake/stolen passports all lined up and ready to go when they were first leaving Iran.

How did they even get into Malaysia?

Just makes me think they had a lot of Malaysian connections.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The passports were both stolen in Malaysia.
One in 2012, one in 2013.
I remember that from like day 2 of all this mess :facepalm:

Authorities say the passports -- one Austrian, the other Italian -- were stolen in Thailand, which is a known hub of the stolen passport industry.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-migrants/

 

[RT51]

Spoke with a commercial pilot tonight while watching an update on CNN. According to him, the rapid assent to 45000 feet then the dissent, the passengers would have passed away in less than 30 seconds.

 

[Soulmagent]

The passports were both stolen in Malaysia.
One in 2012, one in 2013.
I remember that from like day 2 of all this mess :facepalm:

Would it not be wonderful if somebody released a report from then ?

 

[CARIIS]

Smoke is coming out of my ears which has been a good idea to eat my lunesta and hope that tommorrows headline is not new data reveal the entire planet needs to be surged

cound cruel but there are worldwide limited resources they need to move ALL land now that is where potential danger exists for the planet

no longer on the ocean floor -for the first time I can recall even the flight boxes are not going to help muc CVR last two hours

and radar already has the blips

Need to go all land only to r/o it is in hanger for some futher danger

Good night folks!

 

[lawstudent]

Spoke with a commercial pilot tonight while watching an update on CNN. According to him, the rapid assent to 45000 feet then the dissent, the passengers would have passed away in less than 30 seconds.

I've been away for a while so I hope I didn't miss any big developments, but is this due to the rapid pressure change? Is the idea that the pilot depressurized the cabin only?

 

[momrids6]

China off Australia:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/

make sure to check the yachts/others option in the left menu

 

[Montjoy]

with all due respect.....why can't honest folks get a legit passport?

Not all countries have legal systems, human rights and protections like those of us in Europe and North America take for granted. Passports and exit visas are more of a privilege than a right in much of the world. Even where they are a right, it can cost an astronomical amount in bribes to get a passport or exit visa approved.

 

[newone]

Nobody is saying what they were doing was honest. Perhaps they weren't legit asylum seekers and getting a visa on an Iranian passport was too difficult. Maybe they didn't want to face deportation if their application failed. Not honest, but not necessarily with dangerous intentions either. I don't know. I'm going to have eat my words if they turn out to be involved.

The purpose of my question to ElleElle was to find out if there is REAL reason why a young Iranian cannot legitimately get a passport

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Has a possible jump seat pilot already been discussed? A retired military guy was discussing it on Fox right now. He could have slithered in, with lax security, and therefore not been on a passenger list and in his seat before the Captain and First Officer boarded. Anyone??

I wasn't watching tv, but I did just bring up that exact scenario.

 

[Hatfield]

I think you misinterpreted what you were told (or they didn't communicate it very well). I think it's that you cannot die while you are dreaming ... which makes sense because you still have brain activity so you're obviously alive.

Some people are afraid they will actually die during a dream because there was some old wives tale about it and the fear can lead to major anxiety and (obviously) insomnia.

Am I making sense? lol

Yes this. That was the old wives tale I was meaning. Until I had those 2 dreams (and only 2 thank goodness) I had always believed it true that if you dreamed it you really would not wake up. Its probably much more common than I ever thought as others are pointing out.

Thankfully it was just a wives tale. They were very unusual dreams though because of how vivid the dreams were. Like almost too real. That was what was so alarming to me was how real the dreams were.

Anyway, sorry to go OT. Just thought it was interesting and one reason I get freaked out whenever I hear about any plane disaster.

 

[LadyL]

9M-MRO

The incident aircraft...

looks like that tile on tomnod to me ... red & blue & lots of little windows

 

[aa9511]

IIRC from report or news, they had Iranian passports to get into Malaysia. Once in Malaysia they switched them because they probably wouldn't get out of there and get to whatever country their final Asylum destination was without the fake ones.

Ok so they got through with their stolen passports in Malaysia.

Now the question is - what did they think would happen at the airport at their final destination of either Germany or Denmark?

They would have to go through immigration at these airports. For sure, Germany and Denmark are going to have stricter regulations/checks. They are going to examine those passports very carefully. They probably would have spoken with them and asked them questions - where are you coming from, what were you doing in Malaysia, who are you visiting?

And in Germany and Denmark, most probably, they would have run the passports through the Interpol database, and discovered they are stolen passports (as Interpol already said they were listed as stolen in their database).

Yes, I agree SS something is very fishy about all of this.


**** Adding, all of the above makes me consider that they just got the passports for the purpose of just getting on the plane.

 

[Nymeria]

The passports were both stolen in Malaysia.
One in 2012, one in 2013.
I remember that from like day 2 of all this mess :facepalm:

Correcting myself, both passports were stolen in Thailand, same dates though.

Someone said who carries so little on an International flight (sorry I am flipping all over, forgot who). People seeking asylum. Packing up your whole life to try and find a country to take refuge in probably would not work, that would bring a lot of attention I would think!

I don't know, I just am not feeling these guys as the "culprits".
And like I said, I think the guy who bought the tickets does this as an illegal business and is just trying to cover his rear because this plane missing has him in the crosshairs.

Just MO. I could be very wrong. I am still not on the pilot bandwagon either.
Matter of fact I honestly have ZERO feelings about what happened to this danged plane. I just keep searching and trying to keep up on the thread :scared:

BTW- The minute I heard about the fake passports I immediately thought "That's the answer, terrorists". It seemed logical. For some reason it just isn't sitting the same with me anymore.


ETA- I was typing all this while your guys were correcting me on Thailand.....give me time that ding dang Tomnod really slows up my pc :tantrum:
Plus I made the mistake of opening a Huffington Post article....never fails to slow me up massively. When will I learn :facepalm:

 

[LadyL]

Spoke with a commercial pilot tonight while watching an update on CNN. According to him, the rapid assent to 45000 feet then the dissent, the passengers would have passed away in less than 30 seconds.

that would possibly be the only blessing ... if they died so quickly that there was no time for suffering and torment and terror

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The passports were both stolen in Malaysia.
One in 2012, one in 2013.
I remember that from like day 2 of all this mess :facepalm:

Actually... The passports were stolen in Thailand...
[latimes.com 3-8-14]

:seeya:

 

[LaLaw2000]

IIRC, it was Mary Schiavo who said she was certain that Malaysian officials would have done this (verified the voice). She said there is very valid, reliable technology for pilot voice identification.

But of course, we don't know for sure what they determined, it's only by inference since they're now focused on the cockpit.

Are all radio transmission interactions with the control towers recorded and saved? If not, then there can be no voice comparisons from that night. I would love to know what Ho Chi Minh (sp?) City air traffic control or Malaysian air traffic control really heard and if they did indeed ask another pilot what was stated by Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. I believe the other pilot stated that he heard mumbling. How could the control tower(s) not been able to contact the Malaysian flight pilot but another pilot in the air could?

I know you can't know the answers to these questions, Boodles, but I am puzzled because no one has even stated that there were definitely any recording(s) to compare to from that night. Neither Malaysia nor Viet Nam strike me as being terribly thorough.

MOO

 

[Ravynne]

Ok so they got through with their stolen passports in Malaysia.

Now the question is - what did they think would happen at the airport at their final destination of either Germany or Denmark?

They would have to go through immigration at these airports. For sure, Germany and Denmark are going to have stricter regulations/checks. They are going to examine those passports very carefully. They probably would have spoken with them and asked them questions - where are you coming from, what were you doing in Malaysia, who are you visiting?

And in Germany and Denmark, most probably, they would have run the passports through the Interpol database, and discovered they are stolen passports (as Interpol already said they were listed as stolen in their database).

Yes, I agree SS something is very fishy about all of this.


**** Adding, all of the above makes me consider that they just got the passports for the purpose of just getting on the plane.

The only thing I can come up with is its at this point they say who they are, where they're from,and that they are seeking asylum. ??

I'll check this part out to see...

Excellent question!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Sorry if this has already been posted...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/16/Israel-Prepares-for-Attack-by-Hijacked-Malaysian-Plane

ISRAEL PREPARES FOR ATTACK BY HIJACKED MALAYSIAN PLANE

(More at link above...)

 

[LadyL]

Ok so they got through with their stolen passports in Malaysia.

Now the question is - what did they think would happen at the airport at their final destination of either Germany or Denmark?

They would have to go through immigration at these airports. For sure, Germany and Denmark are going to have stricter regulations/checks. They are going to examine those passports very carefully. They probably would have spoken with them and asked them questions - where are you coming from, what were you doing in Malaysia, who are you visiting?

And in Germany and Denmark, most probably, they would have run the passports through the Interpol database, and discovered they are stolen passports (as Interpol already said they were listed as stolen in their database).

Yes, I agree SS something is very fishy about all of this.


**** Adding, all of the above makes me consider that they just got the passports for the purpose of just getting on the plane.

[bbm] another question - why don't you have any luggage with you???

I don't know that they would have run the passports - I think they only do if they suspect someone - they will sometimes pull them out of line and into a separate interview area but if they don't notice any red flags, they could just easily slip through IMO