Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #3

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LISTEN: UPDATE on Day 7 of .@OSCE_SMM 's work @ #MH17 crash site by the Mission's Spox Michael Bociurkiw http://bit.ly/1nvt26R .@uacrisis

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http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/miguel-panduwinata-asked-about-death/2014/07/23/id/584526/

Miguel Panduwinata, 11, Asked Mom About Death Before Boarding MH17

Her normally cheerful, well-traveled boy should have been excited. His silver suitcase sat in the living room, ready to go. Jetskiing and surfing in paradise awaited. But something was off. A day earlier, while playing soccer, Miguel had burst out: "How would you choose to die? What would happen to my body if I was buried? Would I not feel anything because our souls go back to God?"

And now, the night before his big trip, Miguel refused to release his mother from his grasp.

He's just going to miss me, Calehr told herself. So she stretched out beside him and held him all night.

It was 11 p.m. on Wednesday, July 16. Miguel, Shaka and the 296 other people aboard Flight 17 had around 15 hours left to live.


Finally, they were outside customs. The boys hugged Calehr goodbye and walked toward passport control.

Suddenly, Miguel whirled around and ran back, throwing his arms around his mother.

"Mama, I'm going to miss you," he said. "What will happen if the airplane crashes?"

What was this all about? she wondered.

"Don't say that," she said, squeezing him. "Everything will be OK."

Shaka tried to reassure them both.

She watched the two boys walk away. But Miguel kept looking back at his mother. His big brown eyes looked sad.

Then he vanished from view.

Flight 17 took off around 12:15 p.m. on what should have been an 11 hour and 45 minute flight.

It lasted two hours.
 
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air ALgeria plane missing . I thought you have to be kidding me. THen I thought ah Africa has a terrible safety history . I looked it up, I was disappointed to discover that this carrier has a good one (4 out 5) - isn that pathetic that in world climate finding out an air carrier with a good a saftey recrod might be a bad thing.

But- it was what is called a dry lease arrangement which means the aircraft was not theirs so maybe it just crashed casue not maintaned , by that I only mean someone else somewhere has not taken up the hobby of blowing aircradft out of the sky

The MD 83 is O L D !

SO hopeully.....................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease#Wet_lease

Swiftair S.A. is an airline headquartered in Madrid, Spain.[SUP][1][/SUP] It operates scheduled and charter, passenger and cargo flights in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. Its main base is Madrid–Barajas Airport.[

4 - McDonnell Douglas MD-83 (2 aircraft are operated for the United Nations Humanitarian Air Service)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftair#Incidents
 
Dutch - French photographer Pierre Crom is at the location of the crash


Pierre Crom ‏@PierreCrom 45 sec.

Standing next to a large part of the #MH17 fuselage that has just been discovered by the #OSCE #Ukraine #donbass



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Germany is tired of Russia seeming to drag its feet in helping toward a prompt investigation.

German officials have now indicated they’d run out of patience with the lack of progress by Russia in clearing the way for an investigation into the crash.
The German Foreign Office issued a statement saying: "Now it’s enough.’’ And a spokesman for German Chancellor Angela Merkel said last night that she is troubled by the lack of progress being made by Russia in the Ukrainian crisis.

The spokesman, Georg Streiter, said Merkel now believes that tougher sanctions are required. Russia is not adequately supporting the investigation of the crash, he said.

And Guenther Oettinger, the European Union energy commissioner and a career German politician, was quoted by European media criticising Russian inactivity and saying that Europe should consider pulling its technical assistance to Russia in developing its Arctic oil and gas fields.

"If they don’t try for peace in the east of Ukraine,’’ he told reporters, "if they don’t decisively try to do something to prevent escalation, then there is no reason for us to help promote the growth of their industry and develop new resources for gas and oil and therefore to put this equipment on the list of sanctions.’’

German pressure on Russia is seen as pivotal in the effort to force a Russian response, as Germany has been seen to be hesitant to date because of deep business ties with Russia.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...-the-netherlands/story-fnizu68q-1226998041829
 
Gert-Jan Dennenkampr, reporter for Dutch NOS-Journaal


Gert-Jan Dennekamp ‏@gjdennekamp

De formele overdracht van het rampgebied wordt vanmiddag om vier uur getekend. Dan is Nederland verantwoordelijk voor het gebied.

Translation:

The formal transfer of the disaster area will be signed this afternoon at four o'clock. From that moment on The Netherlands will responsible for the area


Gert-Jan Dennekamp ‏@gjdennekamp

Verbetering op eerdere tweet. Voor het onderzoek wordt bedoeld. Tekenen in bijzijn van Oek president.

Translation:

Improvement on earlier tweet. 'For the investigation' is meant. Signatures in the presence of of Ukr president.

======

Well, that was a funny mistweet. Just as well he sent an explanation. Who would want that place for keeps?

The formal transfer of the investigation of the disaster area will be signed this afternoon.
The Netherlands will then be in full charge of the investigation of the area.
The ultimate aim is to achieve a deal with the 3 parties involved (Ukraine, Russia and the separatists) that allows an international Police Force to operate in the area and free access for all experts.
Negotiations are ongoing, with support of UN.

Dutch PM Timmermans and Australian PM Bishop are currently in Kiev (Ukraine).

(various sources)
 
A CNN journo working on the plane crash story was abducted two days ago, but they've been keeping it secret, trying to free him. :(

'Donetsk, separatist-controlled Ukraine (CNN) -- A Ukrainian journalist working as a fixer for CNN remains in detention two days after he was abducted by pro-Russian separatists.

Armed men from the Donetsk People's Republic [DPR] seized Anton Skiba outside a hotel in the separatist-controlled city of Donetsk after he had worked for one day with a CNN television crew.

Since his detention, CNN has attempted through a number of different separatist officials, including the office of the self-declared separatist prime minister Alexander Borodai, to secure Skiba's freedom.
CNN chose not to report his abduction at the time while making efforts to obtain his release.'

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/europe/ukraine-cnn-fixer-abducted/index.html
 
Rebel leader is blaming the OSCE for the non-collection of victims bodies now. Said they threatened him, poor thing.

"We wanted to collect the bodies from the very beginning," said Mr Borodai.

"But we were under extreme pressure from the OSCE representative, who said to us: 'I represent 57 countries. Don't you dare touch the bodies of the dead. Under no circumstances. Or else all the 57 countries of the OSCE will do this and that to you.'"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28450303

Laughable, truly laughable..
 
German citizens are also reported to have been aboard the Algerian plane that is missing, as well as many other nations. Not the Netherlands this time though.
 
Germany is tired of Russia seeming to drag its feet in helping toward a prompt investigation.

This is surprisingly strong for Germany. It has millions of people totally reliant on Russian gas imports to keep them from freezing in winter, so they've always been reluctant to offend.

I think I'm going to start stocking up supplies for my woodburner this winter, and cutting right down on my gas use.
 
A CNN journo working on the plane crash story was abducted two days ago, but they've been keeping it secret, trying to free him. :(

'Donetsk, separatist-controlled Ukraine (CNN) -- A Ukrainian journalist working as a fixer for CNN remains in detention two days after he was abducted by pro-Russian separatists.

Armed men from the Donetsk People's Republic [DPR] seized Anton Skiba outside a hotel in the separatist-controlled city of Donetsk after he had worked for one day with a CNN television crew.

Since his detention, CNN has attempted through a number of different separatist officials, including the office of the self-declared separatist prime minister Alexander Borodai, to secure Skiba's freedom.
CNN chose not to report his abduction at the time while making efforts to obtain his release.'

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/europe/ukraine-cnn-fixer-abducted/index.html

I was watching CNN report this, this morning, and the reporter said more had been abducted, including a cameraman, others had been detained and/ or questioned by the rebels since the crash.. .will find links...

Here,
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/british-journalist-for-russian-tv-missing-in-east-ukraine-563754
British Journalist for Russian TV Missing in East Ukraine

http://cpj.org/2014/07/journalists-missing-fixer-kidnapped-press-banned-i.php
Journalists missing, fixer kidnapped, press banned in eastern Ukraine

http://rt.com/news/174924-ukraine-stringer-phillips-disappearance/
RT stringer among 4 people taken hostage in besieged Ukraine’s Donetsk – report
 
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