Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #5

[MarVistaMom]

I still believe that she was taken to the waterfall by someone else. Whether that person took her from inside the house or from outside the house, I have no clue.

Do you think she could have been lured out of the house by a malevolent jinn? The police believe in the shaman enough to bring him to the scene. If the parents do not think she would ever leave by herself then perhaps someone or something did take her.

 

[Chiatos]

Do you think she could have been lured out of the house by a malevolent jinn? The police believe in the shaman enough to bring him to the scene. If the parents do not think she would ever leave by herself then perhaps someone or something did take her.

I don't know. Based on the findings, Nora might have snug out on her own and reached 100m outside. Whatever happened afterwards and how she ended up at the waterfall is somemone else's doing.

 

[Rhenish]

Checking in to see what is new. I cannot get this sweet little girl nor her family out of my head. I really feel so sad for all of them and have been praying for all of them. Somebody up thread posted the Garratt Park School link and I did watch the film. I honestly think that at the 2:58 mark is a small clip of Nora. I have been trying to compare and it does look like her. MOO ! (ETA, I believe the film was from 2016 but I may be wrong)
Garratt Park School

 

[Lilibet]

Checking in to see what is new. I cannot get this sweet little girl nor her family out of my head. I really feel so sad for all of them and have been praying for all of them. Somebody up thread posted the Garratt Park School link and I did watch the film. I honestly think that at the 2:58 mark is a small clip of Nora. I have been trying to compare and it does look like her. MOO ! (ETA, I believe the film was from 2016 but I may be wrong)
Garratt Park School

I agree. That’s a younger Nora.

 

[steff13]

Do we have an ETA for the DNA testing to be completed?

 

[Kubirai]

I carefully read the articles about bringing up her body from the site.

The rescue team drove in 4x4 vehicles until the trail was too narrow, then walked another 500m or 1500ft to the body.

This last section was steep and difficult, but obviously it isn't part of the family friendly trail to get to the waterfall from the Dusun resort.

 

[Lilibet]

Nora's disappearance received attention from the world's press.
The setting up of a fund/s has been discussed in many posts.
We do not know what they might need the money for,but I feel they are not the type of people to use it inappropriately.
I am sure the bulk of it will be donated to charity.
It certainly will not,in my opinion, be used to benefit them personally.

I can’t post a link to the fundraising pages set up by Nora’s aunt and uncle, but it clearly stated that any left over funds would be given to charities such as LBT. I expect there will be plenty to donate. We may not hear about it, but I’m sure it will happen as promised.
JMO

 

[Kubirai]

But this person clearly states she would have had to FIRST cross two fairly deep streams. She could have drank water from the first stream if that is what she was looking for.

That person didn't know that FB has photos of 5 year old kids going from Dusun to waterfall.

If one of those kids got lost, they would try to go back to the resort. If they didn't know the way back, they could go in the opposite direction.

 

[Lyall0814]

As they flew back, police admitted that inexperienced searchers may have missed critical opportunities to save the teenager, who had severe learning difficulties.

As her parents and sister, 12, and brother, eight, returned to London, senior police officers involved in the search told The Mail on Sunday that Nora – who is believed to have been alive in the jungle for up to a week – might have been found before her death.

The searchers included people who were inexperienced and got tired quickly in the hot and humid conditions and didn’t always walk at arm’s length from each other,’ said one officer, speaking on condition of anonymity.

‘We can’t blame them because it was the first time for many of these searchers working for so many hours in these conditions and water and food supplies were limited. Overall, I think they did a good job despite incredibly arduous conditions.

Another senior officer, who also asked not to be named, said the area where Nora was found was yesterday still being investigated by forensic officers to see if there were any signs that Nora was abducted or assaulted before her death. Her underwear has not been found.

Sniffer dogs only picked up her trail about 100 metres from the lodge, and how a child with special needs could have walked nearly two miles into dense forest and through a steep ravine is mystifying.

‘Everyone is very upset and we have agonised over how she ended up in a waterfall area that had been combed by search teams in the first seven days.’
Malaysian police admit 'inexperienced' officers may have missed 'vital clues' in Nora Quoirin search | Daily Mail Online

I wouldn't trust the Daily Mail. On Saturday Nora's family told us to only trust what is said by the Charity. The Daily Mail's main priority is to entice people to visit their webpages, any way they can.

 

[Sof]

I am new here and i have read from the first thread although not all. I am malaysian and live in uk for more than 20 years and frequently go back to Malaysia too.

From what I read they just arrived from London a day before she vanish. If on mant people case, lots of us who travel from west to east in this case from uk to malaysia, the time different is 7 hours. Around malaysian time 6/7/8 is the time we are sooo sleepy and hard to open our eyes and really gonna go into deep sleep regardless! You will be struggle to open your eyes as it’s around 11/12/1 midnight in uk. Especially first couple of days of arriving and they just arrived. It will be hard for them to sleep at 10pm and even if they did from the tiredness of flying, still by 2/3/4 they will waking up and their eyes will be wide open and their stomach will be very hungry. We usually went to kfc at 3/4 am for breakfast as it’s dinner time in uk regardless if you just arrived hours before and had a sleep but will be waking up.

Not just nora, the whole family will be wide awake until around 6/7/8 in the morning. It is weird if they don’t. It’s just our body clock will be. While everybody else, malaysian especially be in deep sleep, they all should not going to sleep or wide awake at around 2/3/4. Even if you try not to, your body automatically will be. I have gone back and forth to malaysia even we always stay around half an hour from Seremban, which probably around 40 mins from the dusun, so well understand your body clock behave. And i don’t know how they plan to go to the dusun with disable kids. I will not. I would love to for the sake of having a very very quiet time. But probably not few days if my arrival. That place is far reach by lots if things. I probably book that place max 2/3 days...of course people have different preference but as a mother with disable kids, i will for sure make research if where I am going with my disable kids before I make plan. And wanna make sure the place are low risk if for health and safety reason too if my kids might not be able to think normal. I will try to cover everything i could. All those risk.

I read somewhere, that the dad arrived with the three kids from London and mum from singapore. And they meet up and go to The dusun. Probably dad the one who booked the place, i have no idea. But i do find it weird to wanna find a really quiet far reach place when you just arrived with jet lag. When you got to own transport mean you can only eat what provide at the hotel restaurant. Although they for sure have western menu but still I feel my kids will need variety and wanna see more colourful? Than just green when they just arrived? I mean very secluded place where I might go after a tiring business trip or honeymoon away from everybody else. Really away...

 

[Ardoch]

The whole sad story is puzzling and contradictory. On the one hand N is very vulnerable, alone in a jungle for ten days and yet is found by the waterfall - the place that she wanted to visit, relatively unscathed from any animal or vegetation injuries. It's almost as if she was being protected - or watched over.

 

[Kurki]

If she was dead on that spot for days in humid jungle conditions, wouldn't it be easy to verify? And if that is the case, then it must be just case of getting lost. And if there is no signs of decomposing for days ( i think body fluids start to leak to groud very soon), they she died and was brought there by someone.
Also want to comment to those wondering why book a place like that with kids for 2 weeks. We do just that, we choose places that are quiet, no entertaiment, no "need to see " places and then we let them get bored. When they get bored, stones at the beaches come alive, when they are bored, they start to wonder about life. And that is what we need few weeks per year for all, to be present, really present in the moment, not to be coming and going and experiencing. So I totally undestand their choise on this.

 

[Vaccine]

I'm very confused as to why so many are insinuatung that the parents of this child are somehow unethical, immoral, and deceptive.

Did I miss something?
Are the parents somehow to blame?

The media misquotes and misinterprets statements made by parents and LE all the time. And the language barrier makes it even more difficult, as so many have pointed out.

Yet the parents have been continuously judged and criticised for taking their kids there in the first place (after all, it's such a boring place to visit) , exposing their disabled child to a dangerous environment, and now, judged because they should have put up a reward faster or they have plenty of money so why do they need to raise money for the search, etc.

I really hope if I ever lose a child, or anyone else here for that matter who is grieving after losing a child so tragically, is not subject to such public criticism and judgement after their world has fallen apart.
It's very disheartening and really a shame. I feel so sorry for this family.
I hope they are not reading here.

I entirely agree. Since most of us, hopefully, will never experience such a desperate situation nor have any experience of what to do, how can we imagine we would know precisely the best tactical approach to getting our child back safely in a country and terrain that is unknown to us?

They have taken many holidays as a family and know what they enjoy. They understand the capabilities of their children. They may have very hectic busy lives and need to find peace and solitude. They hired in people who do have experience of these situations - the Lucie Blackman Trust - and maintained a respectful and grateful relationship with all the police and searchers. They carried themselves with dignity despite been ravished by fear and despair. They are not responsible for the mis-translations, mis-quotes and speculation in the media. Nor are the police. The police focused their energies on the search and not on managing PR, timelines and messaging for us on WS.

No doubt things could have been done differently - how can anyone know that those differences would have made any difference? A challenging terrain, climate and perplexing scenario. And as has been said many times here: many people who have got lost in this environment are never found. And thats true for the many cases seen on this forum of grown adults who go missing on wilderness trails in the US and elsewhere.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

I am still confused as to which part of the cottage Nora was actually sleeping in, given her disabilities.

The Dusun website states for Sora house where they were staying:

Maximum 5 adults or 4 adults and 2 kids

1 bedroom with 1 double bed

1 loft with 1 double and 1 single bed

The loft being the upstairs where Nora was - purportedly.

Otherwise it would most plausibly be the parents and the son upstairs, and Nora and the sister sharing the double downstairs.

The latter would be more of an acceptable arrangement I would have thought, and if the case, then I think the 12yo sister might certainly know something.

Why would the parents not allegedly allow the siblings to talk to police?

 

[Eve71]

I am still confused as to which part of the cottage Nora was actually sleeping in, given her disabilities.

The Dusun website states for Sora house where they were staying:

Maximum 5 adults or 4 adults and 2 kids

1 bedroom with 1 double bed

1 loft with 1 double and 1 single bed

The loft being the upstairs where Nora was - purportedly.

Otherwise it would most plausibly be the parents and the son upstairs, and Nora and the sister sharing the double downstairs.

The latter would be more of an acceptable arrangement I would have thought, and if the case, then I think the 12yo sister might certainly know something.

Why would the parents not allegedly allow the siblings to talk to police?

Previous posts have said they were staying at the sora . Nora was sleeping upstairs with her younger siblings. I’ve not read anything different. I’m sure the police have spoken to the children , the parents would not have a choice in that anyway, you can’t just refuse to speak to the police.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The government is confident in the professionalism of Malaysian pathologists in handling any case, said Deputy Health Minister Dr Lee Boon Chye (pix).

It is up to the family of Nora Anne Quoirin, 15, if they want a second post-mortem conducted on the remains of the Franco-Irish girl, he said.

“It is their right. We are confident in the professionalism of our pathologists. Our confidence is not shaken,” he told reporters after visiting Sri Maha Mariamman Temple here, today.

Dr Lee was commenting on an international news portal report that the parents of Nora Anne, may request for a second post-mortem on their daughter’s body.

Nora Anne case: Govt confident in M’sian pathologists

 

[steff13]

Previous posts have said they were staying at the sora . Nora was sleeping upstairs with her younger siblings. I’ve not read anything different.

I'm surprised she'd be sleeping upstairs, given her apparent difficulty ambulating. Why have her sleep upstairs where she had to navigate that spiral staircase when there's a bed downstairs?

 

[oviedo]

I'm surprised she'd be sleeping upstairs, given her apparent difficulty ambulating. Why have her sleep upstairs where she had to navigate that spiral staircase when there's a bed downstairs?

Excellent point- based on what I’ve read of her physical issues a spiral staircase is a death trap IMO - wonder of the lights were off or on ?

 

[steff13]

I’m sure the police have spoken to the children , the parents would not have a choice in that anyway, you can’t just refuse to speak to the police.

I don't know the law in Malaysia, but here in the US you can refuse to speak to the police.

I thought perhaps she was sleeping upstairs because that's where the bathroom was, but it appears Sora House has two toilets, presumably one upstairs and one downstairs.

 

[Poedelini]

Is there a map of where she was staying and where she ended up? Im very curious about that.