Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #7

[Satchie]

They really need to let this go now. Finding someone else to blame won't bring Nora back, and nor will suing the resort or anyone else. I do hope they don't go down that path.

I think the reason it is so hard to stop blaming others, is that they might then turn the blame on themselves. Not everyone is able to truly believe in bad luck, they believe every unfortunate event is someone's fault.

 

[Chiatos]

The family asked for an open verdict. Would that mean neither misadventure nor abduction? Something in between so to speak? If that's the case, I can understand the family feeling disappointed.

According to wiki, this is what an open verdict would entail (England and Wales, perhaps similar elsewhere and/or in Malaysia):
The open verdict is an option open to a coroner's jury at an inquest in the legal system of England and Wales. The verdict means the jury confirms the death is suspicious, but is unable to reach any other verdicts open to them.
Open verdict - Wikipedia

 

[Chiatos]

Just feel this will extend their agony .Though do think there are still unanswered questions.

I think that their agony will remain regardless, unless they do pursue .....

There are many hiatuses in Nora's disappearance and as parents they can't accept them.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Nóra Quoirin's dead body placed in jungle - NewsDio

Nora Anne’s family to file for revision of misadventure ruling | Borneo Post Online

Parents of Nora Quoirin to file legal bid to overturn Coroner Court's decision

 

[seasideForest]

Chiatos, thank you for checking "open verdict". I should have done that myself, though idk if it's the same in Malaysia. So there seems to be no possibility of saying "Based on the facts presented, we just don't know."

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Meabh had said: ‘One of the most compelling things that we found out was that in a relatively small area, the plantation where Nóra was eventually found, there was numbers of specialist personnel deployed to find Nóra.

‘Not only that, on four different occasions, trained personnel went to the plantation area and searched it and in fact some officers were even in the precise locations Nóra’s body was recovered.’

Mrs Quoirin continued: ‘They had all reported that there were no signs of human life at any point. That for us is compelling evidence to say that she was not there by herself.’
Nóra Quoirin's family will challenge 'misadventure' inquest ruling

I’m so sad for Meabh. She makes valid points. She will NOT give up. I’ll pray for her.

 

[Chiatos]

When we went into the inquest ... we actually found out a great deal about what went on during those 10 days when Nora was missing.
Nora Quoirin's parents insist their daughter, 15, was abducted in Malaysia | Daily Mail Online

Not only that, on four different occasions trained personnel went to the plantation area and searched it and in fact some officers were even in the precise location Nora's body was recovered. They had all reported that there were no signs of human life at any point.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6420850/nora-quoirin-inquest-evidence-abduction/

 

[MissCluedo]

This is a sad outcome for the family, but somewhat understandable, in the sense that if the coroner would have ruled that there had been criminal involvement, Malaysian LE would now have to search for a needle in a haystack and try to find the culprit(s).

To really get to know how Nora was, perhaps the Quoirins could consider to show some private footage of Nora to the court (besides the footage at KL airport). See her reactions, see her motoric skills.
IMO Malaysian police was stressing too often the fact that Nora was attending basketball and cycling lessons !?%&$#@!

Why were they stressing Nora did those activities? If she did or didnt what would that prove?
Surely her parents other family would show that and not hide it.

There is a lot in this case that conflicts. This case hasnt been broken down like The McCanns case. That case has maps, pictures, documentaries and many interviews.
Noras case needs that coverage.
Its a young girl who went missing abroad. Found dead days later. Of starvation.
Its not the typical outcome.

 

[Satchie]

Why were they stressing Nora did those activities? If she did or didnt what would that prove?
Surely her parents other family would show that and not hide it.

There is a lot in this case that conflicts. This case hasnt been broken down like The McCanns case. That case has maps, pictures, documentaries and many interviews.
Noras case needs that coverage.
Its a young girl who went missing abroad. Found dead days later. Of starvation.
Its not the typical outcome.

In the McCann case, they never found a body so theoretically she could still be alive.

IMO, if her body had been found nearby after several days, with no signs of assault, and starvation as a cause of death, the investigation would not have continued as it did.

This 3 year old left his grandparent's apartment and wandered through backyards, dying in a hidden location from the extreme cold. Thank goodness there was surveillance video, showing he wasn't abducted, but went out by himself.
Lonely death for Elijah Marsh — the boy who was never alone until he wandered out into the cold | National Post

 

[VixenLeaf]

That can’t possibly be accurate. Her BMI would be 12.5, well below even severely underweight. She would look skeletal. A healthy BMI is 18.5-25, or about 45kg minimum.

My son is 12. He’s 4 ft 7 and weighs 30kg. His BMI is off the scale low. He’s very skinny but healthy.

 

[HayLouise]

MEDIA UPDATE - Nóra Quoirin Verdict Changed

LBT Global can confirm that today in Malaysia the verdict in the case of Nóra QUOIRIN was changed from MISADVENTURE to an OPEN VERDICT.

A statement in response to this will be issued in the coming days. No interview opportunities are available at the present time – please email all requests to media@lbt.global.

No further comment will be issued today.

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[StillDiggin]

Nóra Quoirin death: Inquest ruling changed to open verdict

 

[kittythehare]

Malaysian court overturns Nora Quoirin inquest verdict

 

[kittythehare]

Nora Quoirin: Malaysia court overturns inquest’s misadventure verdict

 

[ChatteringBirds]

It is saddening to consider the possibilities. I am surprised the court is doing this, but I think it's the right decision, in case it is, in fact, the right decision.
What do you think?

 

[Owlpellet]

I think an open verdict is a better conclusion. There is no evidence she chose to leave the house unaided through the window (no fingerprints) and while it wasn’t impossible that she did so, for example, by kicking it open and then lowering herself on her tummy, it was surprising that she’d choose to do this.

I’ve always considered that there could have been some kind of involvement from other people- not necessarily with malevolent intentions. The whispering in the house remembered by the mother when she had been half-asleep.

All possibilities seem unlikely, but one or more of them took place. The open verdict acknowledges the range of the potential “unknown” events, given the unique person Nora was and the unlikeliness that she’d just wander off and scale fences etc. I hope her parents feel they have all been more acknowledged as a family, even if the truth never comes to light.

 

[jenn83]

It is saddening to consider the possibilities. I am surprised the court is doing this, but I think it's the right decision, in case it is, in fact, the right decision.
What do you think?

I'm not sure this will make much difference if no one is pursuing it. I followed this case from the beginning and I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't think this was an accident or a stranger kidnapping. There are other possibilities to consider but victim friendly and all so it's MOO

 

[Cascadia Mount]

It is saddening to consider the possibilities. I am surprised the court is doing this, but I think it's the right decision, in case it is, in fact, the right decision.
What do you think?

I think it is absolutely the right decision. I pray Nora's family may find some comfort.

 

[Cascadia Mount]

I think this is a good development. I have never believed that Nora would have taken off on her own and made it deep into the forest while starving to death.

 

[crhedBngr]

I think an open verdict is a better conclusion. There is no evidence she chose to leave the house unaided through the window (no fingerprints) and while it wasn’t impossible that she did so, for example, by kicking it open and then lowering herself on her tummy, it was surprising that she’d choose to do this.

I’ve always considered that there could have been some kind of involvement from other people- not necessarily with malevolent intentions. The whispering in the house remembered by the mother when she had been half-asleep.

All possibilities seem unlikely, but one or more of them took place. The open verdict acknowledges the range of the potential “unknown” events, given the unique person Nora was and the unlikeliness that she’d just wander off and scale fences etc. I hope her parents feel they have all been more acknowledged as a family, even if the truth never comes to light.

RBBM

I agree with the above.

JMVHO.