Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #7

[LucyRocket]

Nóra Quoirin: Coroner records schoolgirl jungle death as 'misadventure'

 

[StillDiggin]

Family respond to inquest verdict. https://www.facebook.com/1564356393829429/posts/2870293853235670/

PRESS RELEASE - NÓRA QUOIRIN – FAMILY RESPOND TO INQUEST VERDICT

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

The family of Nóra Quoirin, whose body was tragically found in Malaysia after disappearing from the family holiday resort in August 2019, today released the following statement after the Malaysian Coroner delivered their verdict.

They said;

Today is a significant day in the fight for justice for our beloved Nóra. Our legal team has worked tirelessly, against all odds, to bring the truth to light in a case previously declared as NFA (no further action).
We have fought for this Inquest because while the medical cause of Nóra’s death was never in question, it was crucial to establish, insofar as is possible, how Nóra came about her death. We wanted to truly understand the full extent of Malaysian police SAR & criminal missions but also to ensure Nóra’s story was fully expressed.

We wish to communicate that our lawyers asked the Coroner to return an Open Verdict. For clarity – this is “a verdict in its own right, indicating that the evidence is insufficient to satisfy any other conclusions. { } In other cases there may be a suspicion that foul play is involved but no proof to the required level.”

We still believe this is the only appropriate verdict because, throughout the testimonies presented in this case, layers of (professional) evidence have confirmed what we always believed – that Nóra was abducted. These layers include:

-an opened window, with unidentified foreign prints found on the outside, that has not and cannot be, explained by any other means. As we have repeatedly (ourselves, and professionals who knew Nóra intimately) testified – Nóra had neither the cognitive, nor physical means to leave our chalet by the window

-hundreds of volunteers and significant numbers of highly trained personnel searched relentlessly the surrounding area, including where Nóra was found, on the day of or immediately preceding the day of her death. They found no signs of human life

-professionally trained canines were unable to follow Nóra’s scent

-there is much lost DNA evidence including that which was due to the time lapse between Nóra’s death and her being found, her exposure to the elements and the fact that she was found in water

-there remains the possibility of sexual assault (excepting violent assault)

-Nóra’s highly submissive nature rules out any signs of a struggle

-the lack of major physical damage to Nóra’s body despite her inability to handle terrain as complex as the Seremban jungle and, as a related point, Nóra’s total fear of leaving any familiar adult or surroundings

In any major case of conscience, such as this, there always comes a point when it is important to do what is right, not what is easy. We have always recognised that there was no physical evidence to aid our Inquest. Nonetheless, we are utterly disappointed by the Coroner’s verdict of misadventure. We witnessed 80 slides presented to the court today, none of which engaged with who Nóra really was – neither her personality nor her intellectual abilities. The verdict focused exclusively on physical evidence and physical mobility – which we believe, presents a very incomplete/select theory on how Nóra came about her death.
The Coroner made mention several times of her inability to rule on certain points due to not knowing Nóra enough. It is indeed our view that to know Nóra would be to know that she was simply incapable of hiding in undergrowth, climbing out a window and/or making her way out of a fenced resort in the darkness unclothed (all of which were presented today as probable theory).
Once again we see that justice struggles to support the most vulnerable in society – only engaging with special needs at a surface level – and not at the level that truly reflects children like Nóra.

We believe we have fought not just for Nóra but in honour of all the special needs children in this world who deserve our most committed support and the most careful application of justice. This is Nóra’s unique legacy and we will never let it go.”


The charity for British nationals in crisis overseas, LBT Global, has been supporting the family since Nóra’s disappearance and continues to do so. The charity’s Chief Executive, Matthew Searle MBE, said;

“This is a hugely disappointing day for the family. It is clear that Nóra could not have physically carried out the movements suggested. It is crucial that to deliver a comprehensive verdict the coroner would have to have fully taken into account Nora’s condition – that they did so is not immediately apparent. We will support the family tirelessly as they move forward.”


ENDS

EDITOR’S NOTES

The attached image is free for use – pic credit LBT GLOBAL/FAMILY. Please use this image rather than earlier releases.

No interviews are currently planned while the family consider the next steps – however opportunities may be available later. Please submit requests if you have not already to [email protected]

LBT Global is handling all media for the family and any enquiries should be directed VIA EMAIL to [email protected]. PLEASE DO NOT APPROACH THE FAMILY OR FRIENDS.

If you have received this you will receive any updates. If you have been forwarded this release and wish to receive updates please email [email protected]

 

[Alyce]

Thanks for the update Stilldiggin

 

[Alyce]

Also huge thanks to @Chiatos and @Ruthbullock for the enormous amount of information they provided to this thread. It has been so much appreciated - particularly those transcriptions of the inquest that you posted Ruth. Hours of work done for the benefit of fellow sleuthers. Thank You.

 

[Chiatos]

This is a sad outcome for the family, but somewhat understandable, in the sense that if the coroner would have ruled that there had been criminal involvement, Malaysian LE would now have to search for a needle in a haystack and try to find the culprit(s).

To really get to know how Nora was, perhaps the Quoirins could consider to show some private footage of Nora to the court (besides the footage at KL airport). See her reactions, see her motoric skills.
IMO Malaysian police was stressing too often the fact that Nora was attending basketball and cycling lessons !?%&$#@!

 

[Chiatos]

Nóra Quoirin: Coroner records schoolgirl jungle death as 'misadventure'

It says:
Moving forward, the Quoirin family now have the possibility to apply for a revision of the verdict with the High Court of Seremban.
There is precedent of a verdict being overturned in Malaysia before.
In 2019, following an appeal, a Malaysian coroner's verdict of misadventure concerning the death of 18-year-old model Ivana Smit was overturned in Kuala Lumpur and reopened as a murder investigation.
According to Quoirin family lawyer Sakthy Vell, the family say they now need time to consider their next course of action.

Ivana Smit's family is suing Malaysian police for negligence:
Mother of Dutch model Ivana Smit to sue Malaysian police for negligence
Report: Family of Dutch model Ivana Smit to sue Malaysian police for negligence in probe into her death | Malay Mail

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Malaysian coroner Maimoonah Aid has now declared that the reason behind the 15-year-old’s death was "misadventure" after she wandered in an abandoned plantation before getting lost. "After hearing all the relevant evidence, I rule that there was no one involved in the death of Nora Anne. It is more probable than not that she died by misadventure,” the coroner told a court in the city of Seremban. She also added that Quoirin got outside of the family accommodation “on her own and subsequently got lost in the abandoned palm oil plantation”. “For me to speculate and presume of her actions and involvement of a third party without any proof, that would be a breach of my duty and so the inquiry is hereby closed,” the coroner mentioned.
Nora Quoirin: No third party involved in British teen's death, coroner says 'she died by misadventure'

Ms Aid said "After hearing all the relevant evidence, I rule that there was no one involved in the death of Nora Anne.

"It is more probable than not that she died by misadventure.” The coroner noted that despite the claims of Nora’s family, an extensive autopsy found no evidence of the struggle marks that would likely be associated with an abduction.
Coroner rules Irish teen Nora Quoirin died by 'misadventure' with no third-party involvement | The Irish Post

Nora Quoirin: Parents disappointed by ruling into death in Malaysia | News | The Times

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Their statement added: "Once again we see that justice struggles to support the most vulnerable in society - only engaging with special needs at a surface level - and not at the level that truly reflects children like Nora."

Coroner Maimoonah Aid's verdict means Nora's death was ruled accidental rather than criminal.

The teenager was born with holoprosencephaly - a disorder which affects brain development.

Her family added: "We believe we have fought not just for Nora but in honour of all the special needs children in this world who deserve our most committed support and the most careful application of justice.

This is Nora's unique legacy and we will never let it go."

Her relatives recognised there was no physical evidence to aid the coroner.

"Nonetheless, we are utterly disappointed by the coroner's verdict of misadventure.

"We witnessed 80 slides presented to the court today, none of which engaged with who Nora really was - neither her personality nor her intellectual abilities.

"The verdict focused exclusively on physical evidence and physical mobility - which we believe, presents a very incomplete/select theory on how Nora came about her death."

Chief executive Matthew Searle said: "This is a hugely disappointing day for the family.

"It is clear that Nora could not have physically carried out the movements suggested.

"It is crucial that to deliver a comprehensive verdict the coroner would have to have fully taken into account Nora's condition - that they did so is not immediately apparent.

"We will support the family tirelessly as they move forward."
Nora Quoirin death was likely ‘misadventure’

 

[Officer Dibble]

Also huge thanks to @Chiatos and @Ruthbullock for the enormous amount of information they provided to this thread. It has been so much appreciated - particularly those transcriptions of the inquest that you posted Ruth. Hours of work done for the benefit of fellow sleuthers. Thank You.

Agree. RIP Nora.

 

[Cherwell]

They really need to let this go now. Finding someone else to blame won't bring Nora back, and nor will suing the resort or anyone else. I do hope they don't go down that path.

 

[Cherwell]

double post

 

[crhedBngr]

Their statement added: "Once again we see that justice struggles to support the most vulnerable in society - only engaging with special needs at a surface level - and not at the level that truly reflects children like Nora."

Coroner Maimoonah Aid's verdict means Nora's death was ruled accidental rather than criminal.

The teenager was born with holoprosencephaly - a disorder which affects brain development.

Her family added: "We believe we have fought not just for Nora but in honour of all the special needs children in this world who deserve our most committed support and the most careful application of justice.

This is Nora's unique legacy and we will never let it go."

Her relatives recognised there was no physical evidence to aid the coroner.

"Nonetheless, we are utterly disappointed by the coroner's verdict of misadventure.

"We witnessed 80 slides presented to the court today, none of which engaged with who Nora really was - neither her personality nor her intellectual abilities.

"The verdict focused exclusively on physical evidence and physical mobility - which we believe, presents a very incomplete/select theory on how Nora came about her death."

Chief executive Matthew Searle said: "This is a hugely disappointing day for the family.

"It is clear that Nora could not have physically carried out the movements suggested.

"It is crucial that to deliver a comprehensive verdict the coroner would have to have fully taken into account Nora's condition - that they did so is not immediately apparent.

"We will support the family tirelessly as they move forward."
Nora Quoirin death was likely ‘misadventure’

Very, very sad.

RIP, Nora.

 

[kittythehare]

The Guardian repeats pretty much everything.
During her ruling, Maimoonah focused on the fact the family were probably exhausted after a long journey from Britain.

“The family [were] all jet-lagged and tired,” she said. “Nora Anne had also shown her level of tiredness increase.”

This made it likely that the teenager, in a “strange and new place”, had wandered out of the family’s accommodation of her own accord on their first night at the resort, she said.

I'm a tad shocked the inquest did not address the reported failings of the investigation!
Nora Quoirin's family express dismay as coroner rules out others' involvement

I wonder whether they will appeal?

 

[news buff]

Rest in peace Nora.

 

[seasideForest]

The family asked for an open verdict. Would that mean neither misadventure nor abduction? Something in between so to speak? If that's the case, I can understand the family feeling disappointed.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

I really feel for the family, they're still no wiser as to what actually happened. I just hope they can find some sort of peace now.

 

[insearchoflight]

Family respond to inquest verdict. https://www.facebook.com/1564356393829429/posts/2870293853235670/

PRESS RELEASE - NÓRA QUOIRIN – FAMILY RESPOND TO INQUEST VERDICT

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

The family of Nóra Quoirin, whose body was tragically found in Malaysia after disappearing from the family holiday resort in August 2019, today released the following statement after the Malaysian Coroner delivered their verdict.

They said;

Today is a significant day in the fight for justice for our beloved Nóra. Our legal team has worked tirelessly, against all odds, to bring the truth to light in a case previously declared as NFA (no further action).
We have fought for this Inquest because while the medical cause of Nóra’s death was never in question, it was crucial to establish, insofar as is possible, how Nóra came about her death. We wanted to truly understand the full extent of Malaysian police SAR & criminal missions but also to ensure Nóra’s story was fully expressed.

We wish to communicate that our lawyers asked the Coroner to return an Open Verdict. For clarity – this is “a verdict in its own right, indicating that the evidence is insufficient to satisfy any other conclusions. { } In other cases there may be a suspicion that foul play is involved but no proof to the required level.”

We still believe this is the only appropriate verdict because, throughout the testimonies presented in this case, layers of (professional) evidence have confirmed what we always believed – that Nóra was abducted. These layers include:

-an opened window, with unidentified foreign prints found on the outside, that has not and cannot be, explained by any other means. As we have repeatedly (ourselves, and professionals who knew Nóra intimately) testified – Nóra had neither the cognitive, nor physical means to leave our chalet by the window

-hundreds of volunteers and significant numbers of highly trained personnel searched relentlessly the surrounding area, including where Nóra was found, on the day of or immediately preceding the day of her death. They found no signs of human life

-professionally trained canines were unable to follow Nóra’s scent

-there is much lost DNA evidence including that which was due to the time lapse between Nóra’s death and her being found, her exposure to the elements and the fact that she was found in water

-there remains the possibility of sexual assault (excepting violent assault)

-Nóra’s highly submissive nature rules out any signs of a struggle

-the lack of major physical damage to Nóra’s body despite her inability to handle terrain as complex as the Seremban jungle and, as a related point, Nóra’s total fear of leaving any familiar adult or surroundings

In any major case of conscience, such as this, there always comes a point when it is important to do what is right, not what is easy. We have always recognised that there was no physical evidence to aid our Inquest. Nonetheless, we are utterly disappointed by the Coroner’s verdict of misadventure. We witnessed 80 slides presented to the court today, none of which engaged with who Nóra really was – neither her personality nor her intellectual abilities. The verdict focused exclusively on physical evidence and physical mobility – which we believe, presents a very incomplete/select theory on how Nóra came about her death.
The Coroner made mention several times of her inability to rule on certain points due to not knowing Nóra enough. It is indeed our view that to know Nóra would be to know that she was simply incapable of hiding in undergrowth, climbing out a window and/or making her way out of a fenced resort in the darkness unclothed (all of which were presented today as probable theory).
Once again we see that justice struggles to support the most vulnerable in society – only engaging with special needs at a surface level – and not at the level that truly reflects children like Nóra.

We believe we have fought not just for Nóra but in honour of all the special needs children in this world who deserve our most committed support and the most careful application of justice. This is Nóra’s unique legacy and we will never let it go.”


The charity for British nationals in crisis overseas, LBT Global, has been supporting the family since Nóra’s disappearance and continues to do so. The charity’s Chief Executive, Matthew Searle MBE, said;

“This is a hugely disappointing day for the family. It is clear that Nóra could not have physically carried out the movements suggested. It is crucial that to deliver a comprehensive verdict the coroner would have to have fully taken into account Nora’s condition – that they did so is not immediately apparent. We will support the family tirelessly as they move forward.”


ENDS

EDITOR’S NOTES

The attached image is free for use – pic credit LBT GLOBAL/FAMILY. Please use this image rather than earlier releases.

No interviews are currently planned while the family consider the next steps – however opportunities may be available later. Please submit requests if you have not already to [email protected]

LBT Global is handling all media for the family and any enquiries should be directed VIA EMAIL to [email protected]. PLEASE DO NOT APPROACH THE FAMILY OR FRIENDS.

If you have received this you will receive any updates. If you have been forwarded this release and wish to receive updates please email [email protected]

From link, I attached photo of Nora.

this is one of the most puzzling cases I have ever followed

I choose to think of Nora on adventure and relishing in the beauty of the waterfall. RIP

 

[ChatteringBirds]

What happened remains unclear and her parents' beliefs aren't without some reason. We should support them taking the actions they felt or still feel they must take. They are wonderful parents. I wish them eventual peace. My opinions.

 

[dotr]

Jan 16 2021
Parents of Nóra Quoirin launch legal challenge to inquest verdict
''The parents of Franco-Irish teenager Nóra Quoirin will be seeking a court revision of the inquest verdict recorded by a Malaysian coroner.

Meabh and Sebastien Quoirin have instructed their lawyers to file for a revision, which would be carried out by a judge in Seremban, the city where the inquest took place.

“A high court judge would be appointed to reconsider all of the evidence that was previously presented during the inquest,” Ms Quoirin told The Irish Times.

“No new documentation, evidence, or witness statements can be introduced at this point.”

 

[Skigh]

Jan 16 2021
Parents of Nóra Quoirin launch legal challenge to inquest verdict
''The parents of Franco-Irish teenager Nóra Quoirin will be seeking a court revision of the inquest verdict recorded by a Malaysian coroner.

Meabh and Sebastien Quoirin have instructed their lawyers to file for a revision, which would be carried out by a judge in Seremban, the city where the inquest took place.

“A high court judge would be appointed to reconsider all of the evidence that was previously presented during the inquest,” Ms Quoirin told The Irish Times.

“No new documentation, evidence, or witness statements can be introduced at this point.”

Just feel this will extend their agony .Though do think there are still unanswered questions.