Man Dragged off United Airlines/Flight Overbooked, April 2017

[Cryptic]

But if in the process of taking you out, you sustained a blow to the head and had blood pouring from your mouth, I would consider that assault. Its not acceptable to say that assault is ok because the victim was doing x and y wrong and therefore was asking for it.

The law does not work that way.

But, if I refuse to leave and start resisting the police, I am risking injury. This concept goes double if the property in question is an air craft and I re-enter it. Likewise, if I claim to have "rights" to wear "x" at the night club in question, I am mistaken.

 

[Marah]

Reminds me of the short story the Lottery I had to read when I was a kid.

 

[keeleydoll]

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[keeleydoll]

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract.aspx

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[shadowdancer]

But, if I refuse to leave and start resisting the police, I am risking injury.

Only if they assault you. Law enforcement/security personnel receive training in how to remove people from these types of situation without causing them to have injuries like those sustained by Dr Dao.

All day, every day police and security remove people from places without major incident. Its called professionalism.

 

[LaneGirl]

Sigh, he purchased a ticket subject to conditions that he agreed to. Airlines do have the ability bump people and have done so for generations.

They will also be bumping people today, tomorrow and next year. If you think that you cannot be bumped, you are mistaken. Likewise, trying to enter a commerical plane after being told not to is risking injury.

To be very clear...his injury was sustained AFTER he was ALLOWED to board and sit in his seat by UA gate agents.

He refused to get off the plane and was dragged out causing the head/face injury. He didn't do anything but refuse to get up out of his seat before he was injured.

He returned to the plane bloodied AFTER he was forceable removed and injured.

 

[1&2&3]

****SPECULTION ONLY ****

This case will never see the inside of a courthouse! United lawyer's will not want this case to go before a jury. It will be settled confidentially and the amount undisclosed.

My opinions only.

 

[Cryptic]

Only if they assault you. Law enforcement/security personnel receive training in how to remove people from these types of situation without causing them to have injuries like those sustained by Dr Dao.

All day, every day police and security remove people from places without major incident. Its called professionalism.

They evidently tried reasoning with the good (or not so good) doctor and that got them no where.

What do you recommend they do next? Calling a psychotherapist was probably not feasible. Likewise, the doctor was told not to re-enter the aircraft. He did not comply. Rightly or wrongly, aircraft are seen as serious subjects after 9-11.

 

[keeleydoll]

Not sure why I wasn't able to get both to post


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[shadowdancer]

They evidently tried reasoning with the good (or not so good) doctor and that got them no where. What do you recommend they do next? Calling a psychotherapist was probably not feasible. Likewise, the doctor was told not to re-enter the aircraft. He did not comply. Rightly or wrongly, aircraft are seen as serious subjects after 9-11.

I would recommend that they refrain from bashing his head against the arm rest and remove him from the aircraft in a safe manner like they practiced in their training.

 

[LaneGirl]

But, if I refuse to leave and start resisting the police, I am risking injury. This concept goes double if the property in question is an air craft and I re-enter it. Likewise, if I claim to have "rights" to wear "x" at the night club in question, I am mistaken.

And if you are injured being dragged out of a restaurant for what you are wearing I'd be right here stating that a human being is more important than some rule or regulation as long as no one is in danger.

I choose a human life over rules and regulations as long as the situation isn't causing harm or danger. But thats me. I'd have your back silly me.

 

[LaneGirl]

They evidently tried reasoning with the good (or not so good) doctor and that got them no where.

What do you recommend they do next? Calling a psychotherapist was probably not feasible. Likewise, the doctor was told not to re-enter the aircraft. He did not comply. Rightly or wrongly, aircraft are seen as serious subjects after 9-11.

I recommend they get on the PA and say sorry folks we can't move until someone gives up their seat. Drinks and peanuts will be offered until that happens.

I recommend they tell passengers they are entitled by law up to 400% or 1350 max for their ticket in cash/check if they volunteer to get off.

I recommend they pay for crew/passengers to go on another flight.

I don't recommend dragging a human off a plane.

 

[bluesneakers]

Reminds me of the short story the Lottery I had to read when I was a kid.

Sacrificing a passenger guarantees a safe flight?

:scared:

 

[ellabella]

Can you even imagine if your name was pulled and you had your two children flying with you? Geez. Maybe some random common sense along with computer generation.

I actually have a somewhat tragic story that happened due to this. My mother flew standby as a teen with her mother and a friend. One of them had to be pulled so her mother stayed behind, put them on the plane so neither of them was separated and left behind. She arrived home about 8 hours before her mother, finding her fathers body from suicide.

 

[shadowdancer]

I actually have a somewhat tragic story that happened due to this. My mother flew standby as a teen with her mother and a friend. One of them had to be pulled so her mother stayed behind, put them on the plane so neither of them was separated and left behind. She arrived home about 8 hours before her mother, finding her fathers body from suicide.

Thats so sad. Your poor mother.

 

[Hraefn]

Basically it comes down to whether a jury would find the actions reasonable under the circumstances. The other facts are those circumstances (UA's policy, the witness statements, the video). IMO a jury will not find the actions reasonable and UA and/or O'Hare [security] will have to pay damages to Dr. Dao. Depending on IL law they may have to pay punitive damages.

We are actually providing attorneys on both sides a nice free focus group by posting our opinions. I personally believe it will settle out of court, but I feel Dr. Dao's case is stronger given the facts I know. I practice personal injury law myself; it's literally my job to determine if these types of cases have merit to spend our money on since we only get paid if we win...but I am not licensed in IL and this is in no way legal advice, JMO.

 

[policyoftruth501]

Whether or not better administrative decisions could have been made are irrelevant. The man signed a contract allowing modifications to be made to travel. The reasons for such modifications can be good, bad, or indifferent. When the man decided to force his way on a plane, he was risked getting hurt. He got hurt, and now blames the big evil company with deep pockets.

He forced his way back on the plane after he had already been assaulted and knocked unconscious by airport security. I wouldn't begin to defend his getting back on the plane because it makes no sense at all and puts him at risk for being arrested, or worse. However, having just suffered a head injury may explain why he forced his way back on the plane and was behaving so strange and erratic.


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[LaneGirl]

He forced his way back on the plane after he had already been assaulted and knocked unconscious by airport security. I wouldn't begin to defend his getting back on the plane because it makes no sense at all and puts him at risk for being arrested, or worse. However, having just suffered a head injury may explain why he forced his way back on the plane and was behaving so strange and erratic.


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Nor do we know he even "forced" himself back on. He may have just casually walked back on. Do we have any information to back up the fact he "forced" himself back on?

 

[DatelineFan]

First of all, this mans occupation, income, past, and family are all completely irrelevant to the situation at hand,

Second of all, I don't know what all the fuss is about, it's all right there in this mans UA ticket agreement....he is agreeing to these terms when he purchases his ticket....


Boarding Priorities - If a flight is Oversold, no one may be denied boarding against his/her will until UA or other carrier personnel first ask for volunteers who will give up their reservations willingly in exchange for compensation as determined by UA. If there are not enough volunteers, other Passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily in accordance with UA’s boarding priority:

• Passengers who are Qualified Individuals with Disabilities, unaccompanied minors under the age of 18 years, or minors between the ages of 5 to 15 years who use the unaccompanied minor service, will be the last to be involuntarily denied boarding if it is determined by UA that such denial would constitute a hardship.
• The priority of all other confirmed passengers may be determined based on a passenger’s fare class, itinerary, status of frequent flyer program membership, and the time in which the passenger presents him/herself for check-in without advanced seat assignment.

Get up and get off the damn plane when your told to do so....people are booted off flights every day at every airport in the entire world



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Nope. It says "passengers may be denied boarding..." this tells me that they should have DENIED boarding, not pulled someone off the plane. It was totally irresponsible and as I see it, against their policy, since they allowed him to board.

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[shadowdancer]

Nor do we know he even "forced" himself back on. He may have just casually walked back on. Do we have any information to back up the fact he "forced" himself back on?

We don't.