Mark Sievers Trial General Discussion Thread

[dixiegirl1035]

Court TV keeps showing the video of CWW's testimony and it is so repulsive as to be unbearable. I think that CWW is a liar. No way should he be given a lesser sentence after what he did-- when he recounts the hideous bludgeoning of that lovely woman, he speaks about his "weak shoulders" and that he couldn't strike a really powerful blow to her head--and that he "tried two more times but thinks that it got her arms and not her head" and then goes on to say that Rodgers was beating her again and again and again and that he asked him to stop?! Yeah sure....CWW is a big fat liar. I don't believe his version of events. Nope. Sick, depraved loser who isn't even a human being.

Yes, this is a good example of the trial is not focusing on Mark. This is Mark's trial. The prosecution is not showcasing such at all. The defense actually had a better prosecutorial opening statement for the prosecution pffft

 

[beach]

I'm don't know, I just don't know.

Mark would be an incredibly stupid sex maniac to leave that gathering, with his daughters, to take them to the beach to meet up for sex with Mrs. P. Did they do it in the sun for him to get a sunburn?

I'm more likely to believe he had to talk to Mrs. P to beg her or blackmail her to not tell all she knew to LE. Maybe they did have something going on. It might be best if she isn't called and I'll tell you why I say that.

At this point, Dr. P's testimony is one of the strongest in the trial. He gives us the ah-ha certainty that Mark had this premeditated. He called Dr. P the night before Teresa was killed.

It'd probably lessen the impact of Dr. P's testimony if the jury thought he was actually jealous or resentful of his wife and Mark having something going on. JMO

I get it & agree to an extent.

I’m just angry. 4 years ago she was just beginning law school. Why didn’t she give a statement? I’m assuming she refused otherwise we would have seen it. You can refuse to cooperate and that sounds like exactly what she did. ZERO respect for that. Teresa was DEAD, FGS. Yeah, I’m extremely angry.

 

[MsArk]

This is truly making me a little sick... that the prosecution is doing such a p*ss poor job of attempting to convict Mark. I agree with whoever said we need to prepare ourselves for an acquittal. I wouldn’t have thought it in a million years, yet here we are...and I blame it on this prosecution team at 100%.

 

[maslowbloom]

Does anyone know if Carrie Kain is on the witness list?

 

[FelicityLemon]

TTF14 Thank you for taking the time to write out the "story additions" from Cww's testimony today vs the testimony in Jrr's trial.
Would it be okay (don't want to step on toes) if I added a few differences that stood out to me?
A) Cww now mentions both he and Jrr wore hats in the house. Curious only from the stand point of why wear a hat at 10:30 pm? Just so odd, two men walking down the street, in the dark, wearing hats. I think that is ODD...Nothing like standing out, go figure.
B) Cww purposefully left his phone, turned on, in AW's van so it would ping all over "their community" and appear he was there and moving around. So it is abundantly clear he was aware of phones being tracked by pinging technology...even then!
C) "My intention was to make it look like an accident." He kept making that point, but then throws out the diametrically opposed action of "making the door look as if it was a break in."
So if he took the time to "jimmie the door" to make it look like a break in before Teresa arrived, then he had absolutely no intention of making the crime look like an accident!! That is an absolutely false and impossible scenario to have occurred...one premise nullifies the other.

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I think a hat can help obscure identity in a couple of ways. No one knows if the person is bald, short-haired or long-haired tucked up, color of hair. People will tend to remember seeing a hat, and not focus on the facial features. It can also help prevent DNA from hair that's fallen out (similar to kitchens/medical staff require hair to be constrained or under hats, mustache/beard masks, etc.)

Your B point is excellent! It could have been a smart move, his phone rambling around town like he was there. I still can't get over JR buying a burner, but putting his own sim card into it. I'm no techie, but even I know that's akin to digital DNA. What a couple of *advertiser censored*.

Yeah, two stooges going to commit murder, act like super spies, secret phones, coded language (grade school boy level) but don't have definite plans of method? I heard him testify that at one point, he thought he'd choke her out using his forearm and the carotid artery pressure, but again...if he didn't have the physical strength to swing the hammer more than once, how was he planning to do a VERY physical chokehold... and death by chokehold still looks like murder not accident. Sheesh.

JRR knew they were on their way to kill someone, how on earth wasn't he convicted of conspiracy in addition to Murder 1st degree?

 

[FelicityLemon]

Glad I asked about Lenka yesterday. You all reminded me of why I felt uncomfortable about her. Couldn't remember why I didn't trust her, guess I blocked it out, but I definitely don't trust her to this day.

BBM

Another reason not to trust her is that she refers to her clients as her "patients". Wonder what the legality of that is? It's on her website. Do fortune tellers have clients or patients, lol?

 

[FelicityLemon]

I caught the hanging out with the daughters part but had never heard of TS beings around at the same time. Very interesting. CWW as an object of desire for TS just blows my mind. I wonder if she just said it because that's what she thought MS wanted to hear? I'm leaning towards she never said she had fantasies of him at all.

You've read my mind Bobbywoo! Many of us have said things that we think our partner wants to hear; not lying, but role playing in the moment. He could *technically* be honest in testifying she said that, but taken out of context. "Yeah, I kind of have a crush on cww, but only if he were the last man on earth and I was near-death starving and he was bbq'd well-done with extra sauce..."

 

[FelicityLemon]

It is so repulsive that CWW likes to say that he killed Teresa because "Mark asked him to"--as if he is trying to present himself as motivated by loyalty or "protecting" Mark's children from some bad influence in their life.....Obviously Rodgers was motivated completely by money, but I do think that while cash was an incentive for CWW that there was another warped layer to the whole thing that had to do with jealousy.

It fits because MS was absolutely enthralled with looking at the wedding pictures where he and CWW were twinning. It was the most interest he's shown in anything while cww was testifying. Creepy. The lawyer kept asking who was who in each picture. He was making a point, for sure.

If I remember correctly, it was CWW who got posMS to groom himself to match CWW? Someone let me know if it was the other way around, please. It might make a difference to one having more influence over the other.

 

[FelicityLemon]

...Also, I find it quite strange that AW remains married to her admitted murderer. What is up with that? What do her kids think? I think that any normal woman would think that if he could commit murder of his friend's wife with a hammer, he could do it again to her, at any given point and time. I personally would have divorced him as soon as I discovered he was one of the murderers. Then, again, I would never have dated or married him! Is AW that desperate for a man? I mean, this is a guy who says that he has five previous felony convictions. Now, he has a murder rap. It's not like he has any money, either. This woman has children and grandchildren to consider.

I also don't know what is going on with Taylor S; however, I hope that she was or is able to get JRR to sign away any claim to their child. I commend her for going to the police and telling them what she knew. This young lady may not have made the best decisions throughout her life; however, she apparently has some ethics and morals. That's more than I can say for AW who lied for her husband and continues to stay married to him.

I also wanted to add that just because LE is helping TS with some living expenses doesn't make her any less credible. She was very helpful to police. She is young and probably has never been involved in anything of this magnitude. I can tell you that I myself would probably be in a state of shock talking to police if I personally was dating a suspected murderer and had a baby with him. I would be scared for my life, thinking that I would be the next to go...

I give TS BIG credit for having the character and strength to go to LE. It seems that we see so many instances where the female opts to do the easy thing and stay in a relationship because the murderer is taking care of her.

Go TaySho, go! I don't begrudge her getting financial help from LE. Was there a reward? She certainly provided invaluable information.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I totally agree with you. He sounded like a pompous fool.

In the very beginning of cross he tried to question her 'experience and authority' and was asking her where she studied and what she studied, in a very rude demeaning tone---and she calmly listed off her lengthy, admirable educational resume'. It made him look stupid and her look well educated.

Then when I saw what his big point was, what it was he was trying to get at, which is what you describe above. IT WAS HIS MISTAKE. LMAO...He misunderstood that it was two separate seminars.

'Nevermind'...that's all he could say after that. What an idiot.

rofllll . Emily Litella's (Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update) "Nevermind".

 

[Curious Me]

I need to soothe myself with a list. I know there's probably holes in it, and I could make an opposite list probably just as strong, but... I don't think all is lost yet. I'm hoping the last few witnesses will supply more dirt on Mark and that the State will tie this all together to point the finger at Mark.

At this point, Jurors probably believe:

• Dr. P's testimony that makes Mark look guilty of knowing the night before that Teresa was going to die.
• Mark attended CWW's wedding and after that bought burner phones and communicated and planned with CWW. Prosecution has proved this via cell tower dumps.
• CWW and JRR for some reason took a rental car all the way from Missouri to Florida for a reason, likely financial. There's proof they were in Florida. There's fiber evidence they were in the house near Teresa's body.
• The two Missouri men knew that Teresa was arriving home at that time alone. They knew how to get in the house via alarm code. How'd they know exact details?
• Jurors believe CWW and JRR did kill Teresa. They don't doubt CWW admitting that. He might lie, but he didn't make a plea deal for nothing. Mark hired him.
• The two men drove across states to kill Teresa for no obvious reason or benefit. Nothing valuable was missing from the house. They were hired hit men.
• There's witnesses like TaySho who helped locate evidence and were told privy info about the crimes.
  
• The life insurance policies on Teresa's life total millions. A side to this is it sure explains and shores up why Mark told CWW there was no other option, she had to die. There's no explanation why the children would be in danger if she left Mark. It makes no sense.

Is it enough? I realize Defense will go for CWW not having a polygraph and everything he says about Mark's involvement is a complete lie. That's when they may introduce a sex angle to explain why CWW would do this not being asked?

ETA -- is it enough? I'm worried, too, like many of you.

 

[katydid23]

This is truly making me a little sick... that the prosecution is doing such a p*ss poor job of attempting to convict Mark. I agree with whoever said we need to prepare ourselves for an acquittal. I wouldn’t have thought it in a million years, yet here we are...and I blame it on this prosecution team at 100%.

It does really frighten me.

Wouldn't PosMark get his girls back in his custody if acquitted?...

 

[MemPat]

I need to soothe myself with a list. I know there's probably holes in it, and I could make an opposite list probably just as strong, but... I don't think all is lost yet. I'm hoping the last few witnesses will supply more dirt on Mark and that the State will tie this all together to point the finger at Mark.

At this point, Jurors probably believe:

• Dr. P's testimony that makes Mark look guilty of knowing the night before that Teresa was going to die.
• Mark attended CWW's wedding and after that bought burner phones and communicated and planned with CWW. Prosecution has proved this via cell tower dumps.
• CWW and JRR for some reason took a rental car all the way from Missouri to Florida for a reason, likely financial. There's proof they were in Florida. There's fiber evidence they were in the house near Teresa's body.
• The two Missouri men knew that Teresa was arriving home at that time alone. They knew how to get in the house via alarm code. How'd they know exact details?
• Jurors believe CWW and JRR did kill Teresa. They don't doubt CWW admitting that. He might lie, but he didn't make a plea deal for nothing. Mark hired him.
• The two men drove across states to kill Teresa for no obvious reason or benefit. Nothing valuable was missing from the house. They were hired hit men.
• There's witnesses like TaySho who helped locate evidence and were told privy info about the crimes.
  
• The life insurance policies on Teresa's life total millions. A side to this is it sure explains and shores up why Mark told CWW there was no other option, she had to die. There's no explanation why the children would be in danger if she left Mark. It makes no sense.

Is it enough? I realize Defense will go for CWW not having a polygraph and everything he says about Mark's involvement is a complete lie. That's when they may introduce a sex angle to explain why CWW would do this not being asked?

ETA -- is it enough? I'm worried, too, like many of you.

Good list!
If I were a juror I'd wonder why MS, if he thought a wild hammer-wielding maniac was on the loose, wasn't concerned for his and his daughters' safety in that house.

Most of us feel creepy in our homes for a long time after knowing someone broke in - even when we weren't there and no one was injured!

I believe Mark will be found guilty and, at worst, there will be a hung jury and someone better can handle the case next time!

It's a shame Dan May, the DA in Kelsey Berreth's case, and his prosecution team can't come down and do it!

I'd love to hear them tell this jury about the importance of common sense when considering this evidence.

They were committed to making sure Kelsey's daughter wasn't raised by the Frazees and Teresa's children deserve the same.

 

[ChicagoChic]

Is Dr P scheduled to come back to testify for the defense? I read here (pardon me, I forget the poster for it) that Dr P overheard Mark and Teresa fighting over how much he was paying CWW--is that right?
I didn't know anything about an alleged affair with Dr P's wife?

 

[FelicityLemon]

Rewatching Taylor's interview on CourtTV. I'm gobsmacked at her lackadaisical way of talking about how her boyfriend killed someone with a hammer. And how that's his weapon of choice. And how she just assumed he was "working" when he was away. What kind of "work" did she think he was doing? Why is she not even the least bit emotional in this interview?

She must have still been in shock. Also, she was pregnant. What a freaking nightmare. Also, didn't she already have a child or two at that time? I can't remember. I couldn't imagine how her world turned itself inside out through no fault of her own other than who she chose as a life partner. That interview was when it was all fresh. She had no money, her boyfriend told her he killed someone for money, she was newly pregnant, was going to have no home. I can't imagine the turmoil she's still going through. She also was terrified of cww knowing how much she knew and interrogating her about what the police had asked her.

She's married and I hope he treats her very well; she deserves it. It would have been far easier to ignore what she knew and stick her head in the sand.

 

[ChicagoChic]

She must have still been in shock. Also, she was pregnant. What a freaking nightmare. Also, didn't she already have a child or two at that time? I can't remember. I couldn't imagine how her world turned itself inside out through no fault of her own other than who she chose as a life partner. That interview was when it was all fresh. She had no money, her boyfriend told her he killed someone for money, she was newly pregnant, was going to have no home. I can't imagine the turmoil she's still going through. She also was terrified of cww knowing how much she knew and interrogating her about what the police had asked her.

She's married and I hope he treats her very well; she deserves it. It would have been far easier to ignore what she knew and stick her head in the sand.

I feel the same way. I hope that things have turned around for the better for her. She didn't deserve any of this

 

[Curious Me]

It does really frighten me.

Wouldn't PosMark get his girls back in his custody if acquitted?...

That would be terrible!!! Please no. I didn't follow as much during all the custody battle, but I know he made it difficult even from jail. His daughters are old enough to have a say, I would think. They should hate him. He had their mother killed, let them swim with her killer, broke their grandma's heart, made decisions that ruined the life they had, and stuck them with needs for future therapy. I pray they are happy in their new location and will shun him.

 

[ChicagoChic]

The only thing that points strongly to Mark Seviers being involved or orchestrating this are the bizarre phone calls to Dr P and the burner phones. I wonder if the defense will say that the burner phones could have been for something else though--marital infidelity? or perhaps the computer work at Dr. Seviers practice? No one questions whether CWW and JR murdered Teresa--we just don't know WHY and that is exactly what Teresa said as CWW bludgeoned her with a hammer -WHY? Thus far, I think that the prosecution is weak.

 

[Curious Me]

snipped...It's a shame Dan May, the DA in Kelsey Berreth's case, and his prosecution team can't come down and do it!

I'd love to hear them tell this jury about the importance of common sense when considering this evidence.

They were committed to making sure Kelsey's daughter wasn't raised by the Frazees and Teresa's children deserve the same.

I followed that case and trial, but as a silent lurker. Only one year ago and PF is already put away in prison for life. Impressive!

This is a Death Penalty case and the State isn't presenting anything to warrant that DP sentence. People are disgusted with CWW and JRR, but I think there's barely anger at Mark yet. The State needs to gauge their effectiveness before it's too late.

SBM/BBM

 

[RaspberryMama]

Was Mrs. P the "Michelle" that MS wrote about in his sex journal?

(And can I just wonder out loud here why he tracked *that* stuff, interspersed with daily info about meetings, to-do lists, appointments for the girls, etc... all in the same app? It's so disturbing to shift frame of mind from one thing to another when reading it. Ugh.)

I'm referring to the same batch of discovery that had TS supposedly interested in CWW, and the same batch where MS noted "Wayne assist" during one of his oh-so-important sex updates. I'm sorry I don't have the batch numbers available right now.