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Will the doctors lose their medical licenses?
These people, except Matthew Perry, sound so greedy and despicable. IMO they shouldn't be given plea deals. They would have known the risks to health and his life.

It depends on what can be proven in court and what they did. If they're found guilty of this, they will not only lose their medical licenses, but they'll go to prison. MOO. Can't be a doctor with a felony drug-related conviction.
 
Legitimate pain specialists know the difference, and also try to use non-opiates whenever possible.

You'd be surprised. I work with pain specialists and other specialists every day. It's not a fairy tale that legitimate pain is UNDERtreated by most respectable doctors because of the fear of the DEA. This is not a good thing.

This is why this case is so important. If the doctors are guilty, then send them to prison for life because they are the reason that chronic pain patients are suffering. If they are not guilty or their involvement has been overstated, then they are a living example of why doctors are so scared. I'll be very interested in this trial.



 
I really wonder about holding physicians responsible for an admitted addict that dies from an overdose of prescribed medication. That opens a Pandora's Box of potential arrest and litigation, for all providers who prescribe controlled medications.
Knowingly providing drugs to an addict, especially in non-therapeutic amounts, is yet another form of malpractice. They are DEFINITELY responsible for what they prescribe.
 
I have seen lots of comments on news stories from people upset this was being followed up on. In most overdoses, there may not be any way to determine who provided the drugs. But in this case there was, because it was probably given by a physician. I fully support these investigations.
Since people leave some sort of digital trail on almost a daily basis (phones, video, computer, vehicle, bank) I wouldn't say most overdoses would be too difficult to solve/backtrack. I can fully support this investigation (which I do- been watching this thread like a hawk since it was announced they were seeking to find responsible parties and hold them accountable) while also feel it's sad or that it was in poor taste to say that high profile cases are usually investigated. Like most here (I imagine anyway?) I was also a Perry fan and have been watching this thread and waiting to see who is connected to this, and if it's names we'd also know or be unfamiliar with.
 
Infuriating comment. Nobody is forcing drug dealers and pushers to make money from drugs that kill people and ruin lives, yet they decide to do it anyway. If you have the skills to run an illegal drug trade, you have the skills to do something legit, but chose not to.

How can people be so callous and to shrug their shoulders at these charges? (That rhetorical, not expecting an answer.)

jmo
 
I just can't wrap my head around professionals who worked hard to obtain their medical licenses and credentials would throw away their entire career to assist an addict with obtaining drugs. For a few thousand dollars? Maybe they were also writing scripts for other people as well. Even so, what is the point?

I have seen other people who do similar things, one immigration service officer "sold" a Certificate of Citizenship for egg rolls. Seriously.

Who can understand people who throw away professional careers for literally nothing.
 
Clearly MP was taken advantage of due to addiction- Dealers will prey on those deep into addiction especially ones who have money and need their addiction to be kept secretive. These people have no morals. More education needs to be done about the dangers of drug addiction. Idk - dont have the answers just know there are problems.

No one thinks it will happen to them going in. All of this is an opinion, and education is a start.

Additionally, he was making everyone laugh but he wasn’t laughing in real life. I dont know anything about MP but suspect he was suffering silently. Which caused him to choose drugs? Self awareness and self love is so important- was that missing in his life?

My thoughts, moo
 
I really wonder about holding physicians responsible for an admitted addict that dies from an overdose of prescribed medication. That opens a Pandora's Box of potential arrest and litigation, for all providers who prescribe controlled medications.

It's been happening for a while.


In most cases, it's justified, IMO. But I won't lie, I feel like I have to write a novel in the chart defending my decision every time I prescribe or renew a controlled substance, even Ritalin. This is going to have a greater negative impact on patients in the coming years. MOO.
 
I just can't wrap my head around professionals who worked hard to obtain their medical licenses and credentials would throw away their entire career to assist an addict with obtaining drugs. For a few thousand dollars? Maybe they were also writing scripts for other people as well. Even so, what is the point?

I have seen other people who do similar things, one immigration service officer "sold" a Certificate of Citizenship for egg rolls. Seriously.

Who can understand people who throw away professional careers for literally nothing.
They doctors and the "Queen" were already on the fed's radar, so I think they were doing it on a larger scale. They were diverting ketamine from the clinic and using bogus prescripts to account for the drugs. They could have been making serious money doing this.
 
Knowingly providing drugs to an addict, especially in non-therapeutic amounts, is yet another form of malpractice. They are DEFINITELY responsible for what they prescribe.

Actually, we prescribe controlled substances to recovering addicts all the time. Look at Suboxone or methadone. And yes, even Ketamine shows promise, though still too early to say definitively. This is called replacement therapy.

"Ketamine has been shown to effectively prolong abstinence from alcohol and heroin in detoxified alcoholics and heroin dependent individuals, respectively."


The thing is, these are less addictive and dangerous than the drug they're recovering from, so that's the reasoning behind it.

Also, most people who are using drugs are not doing it because of #funtimes. They're doing it to self-medicate. So the question is, self-medicate what? Is another controlled substance helpful in treating the underlying illness or abstain from using the addicted substance?

I keep going back to ADHD because most people are familiar with it. Many cocaine users have underlying ADHD. It used to be that you wouldn't prescribe a stimulant to ANYONE with a cocaine addiction. But that thinking changed and now we know that treating the underlying problem is the key to abstinence. So that may also be applied to Ketamine (I don't prescribe Ketamine, so I'll say MOO here).

I don't think this case is as black and white as it may seem right now. I might eat those words later if it turns out these were drug dealers who happened to be doctors. But doctors are sometimes villianized because the media doesn't understand the treatment protocols. MOO. It's not intuitive, certainly and before I read the research, I would have reacted the same way.

I'll be very interested to see how this case unfolds.

Links provided to stimulant treatment for cocaine abusers just to justify what I said above.

"Substitution pharmacotherapy is an effective approach for treating opioid and nicotine dependence, and accumulating evidence indicates that stimulant pharmacotherapy for cocaine dependence is a promising strategy."


"While stimulant medications have the potential for abuse and must be used cautiously in patients with substance use disorders, the available evidence suggests that stimulant medications administered under monitored conditions can be safe and effective in patients with substance use disorders."


 
I really wonder about holding physicians responsible for an admitted addict that dies from an overdose of prescribed medication....
My impression is that holding "pill docs" responsible is over all, very hard. One of my friends is an obvious addict and has had a "white coat" drug dealer for years.

- Pain cant be measured, so its the word of the patient that serves as the basis for the prescription.

- Pill docs are still doctors (smart) and know the minimum they need to do to "examine" a "patient"- then write the expected prescription.

- The addicts want the prescription and know what they need to say ensure that they can receive it. The also know to be consistent about what hurts and why from appointment to appointment.

In the end, the only pill docs who get caught seem to be:

As @PrairieWind related large scale prescribers linked to a high profile death. Or doctors like one in my city linked to 3-4 far lower profile deaths and whose prescriptions CVS had started refusing to fill.

Or... doctors who go "over the top" in regards to "exams" such as the SOCAL doctor caught doing "exams" / prescriptions at the local Starbucks. He even had the nerve to social media advertise his speedy Starbucks appointments. Had he not blatantly advertised, he might still be in business today.
 
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I really wonder about holding physicians responsible for an admitted addict that dies from an overdose of prescribed medication. That opens a Pandora's Box of potential arrest and litigation, for all providers who prescribe controlled medications.
Were these guys even treating physicians of Perry? Had they actually examined him and reviewed his history? I don't think they were/had. If there were, had actually examined him and prescribed that much medication, fine. I think they might be looking at malpractice however. But I don't think that is what happened. These doctors were just diverting drugs for illicit use.
 
Were these guys even treating physicians of Perry? Had they actually examined him and reviewed his history? I don't think they were/had. If there were, had actually examined him and prescribed that much medication, fine. I think they might be looking at malpractice however. But I don't think that is what happened. These doctors were just diverting drugs for illicit use.

I hope the FDA has also found out about other people to whom the MD's, the Ketamine Queen, and the other facilitators were providing drugs to, for their own profit.

From what I've read, they should be able to put the Ketamine Queen in prison for a while.
 
IMO it's fairly easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys here: was the person actively working towards freeing MP from his addictions, by reducing and ultimately eliminating his dependencies, or were they driving him further into his addictions by giving him increasing doses, ie exploiting his addiction for their own benefit.

JMO
 
IMO it's fairly easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys here: was the person actively working towards freeing MP from his addictions, by reducing and ultimately eliminating his dependencies, or were they driving him further into his addictions by giving him increasing doses, ie exploiting his addiction for their own benefit.

JMO

There was little to no actual monitoring of Perry's condition under the influence of this highly dangerous drug until he had a seizure.

Hardly proper medical care of an addict.
 

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