MD MD - Anne Furst, 83, & Helen Larkin, 56, Aberdeen, 17 Oct 1989

[maxaroad]

First, my sympathies to maxaroad & family for their tragic losses.

And then some first impressions I have about this case: The throwing of the brick, especially since robbery doesn't seem to be the motive and it would be obvious people were home (car in front, maybe lights on?), sounds to me like something done out of extreme, uncontrollable anger. It seems like it was done more to show how angry the perpetrator was, and not so much as a way to get in the house.

The article said that Ann and her husband hadn't lived in town long. Is there something connected to the place where they used to live? I'm just considering whether someone connected to their life in their old town saw the obituary and found where they now lived that way. That's another reason why robbery doesn't make sense; if a person saw the obit with the time of the wake and wanted to rob the house, they'd have done it while the wake was going on and not afterwards. But I can't imagine what kind of situation where they used to live might prompt such a violent killing.

The news report that they didn't live there long was wrong. They were there for at least the 20 years I knew them.

 

[maxaroad]

All - words cannot express my appreciation for your attention to my case. As you can imagine, after 22 years, I am looking to find justice but am mostly finding frustration. I take SO much comfort in knowing there are folks like you who don't even know me but want to seek justice as much as I do. I thank you for any help you can provide. October 18th will always be a terrible day for me.

 

[wfgodot]

All - words cannot express my appreciation for your attention to my case. As you can imagine, after 22 years, I am looking to find justice but am mostly finding frustration. I take SO much comfort in knowing there are folks like you who don't even know me but want to seek justice as much as I do. I thank you for any help you can provide. October 18th will always be a terrible day for me.

And we're all happy that you've come to WS, and appreciate fully your willingness to let us ask questions in hopes of, eventually, discovering the truth. It can't be easy to do so. Thank you.

 

[Grifynne]

There is definitely a belief the brick was thrown after the fact. That is what I believe as well. I think they knew who killed them. I feel my mother let this person or persons in and if they were trying to make it look like a robbery, they did a bad job. I'm not sure if my grandfather would have been having an affair. He was sick with cancer at the end. However I am open to all theories!

Thanks for your response, MaxaRoad! That's probably the best mind set to have (in regards to being open to all theories). Maybe having fresh eyes on it could help illuminate a possibility that went overlooked decades ago. And in response to the affair thing, I was really thinking more like an affair from years or decades past. Maybe something that festered and someone didn't get over it.

Again, this is a complete shot in the dark. Any other theory I could come up with was pretty much already described by other posters. This just doesn't strike me as a random act of violence.

I hope you're doing well diving into this with all of us. I'm sure it is very difficult, I couldn't even begin to imagine how hard it was for you. It's a tragic story and I sincerely hope that you find the truth and can at least get the closure you and your family members deserve.

 

[maxaroad]

1. Yes, I believe the hole was big enough that the door could have been unlocked and opened

2. He didn't make note of if he knew they were home but if I recall, the timing he noted would have been after they got home.

3. I have searched for it online but been unable to find it. It aired on a local channel and was called Crime Stoppers 800. I will try to do more searching online to see if I can find anything.

4. There is a large window in the front. There is some distance between the street and the house but I believe you would be able to see inside the house, particularly if you walk up the front driveway.

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For answering the questions put forward by myself and others.
I would like to do a question followup now, after reading your responses and additional information you supplied here in this post.
I have 3 questions for you .

1. The glass that was broken in the back kitchen.
Was it big enough of a hole that someone could unlock the sliding glass door
if it was locked?...Wondering if that's how they gained entered. Any idea on how entry was made?

2. The neighbor whom investigated the sound with the flashlight.
Do you remember if he said it was before they got home, after he notice they were home, or he doesn't remember if they were home yet or not?

3.quote from ...He was interviewed on a Unsolved Crimes programmed that aired a few years after the murders that I recently got a copy of.
Would like to see that sometime in the future if possible.

3. If i was standing outside on the street or sidewalk and looked at the front of your house would i be able to see things inside your house after dark?
Is there a big center window on the front of the house?

The above fits into my theory about what may have happened.
After I receive answers to the three questions here. To see if they may fit into the theory. I will go back and respond to your answers in post 32 and give you a theory.

It is only a theory based on my speculations and assumptions of what may have happened/motive after reading your answers to questions put forward. My goal here would be to open a new avenue for you to travel on and see if anything there may develop.

But if this theory has/had already been discussed and researched back then and it was decided/determined the theory/motive should be eliminated or rejected then we will start again.

Your description of the layout of the home was fantastic.
And the additional information and questions you were able to answer are simply priceless.
You have done an excellent job of posting for your first time about your love ones.

Thank-you again for your help.
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[maxaroad]

She was not bound to the chair. She was just sitting in it, slumped against the wall. Unfortunately, I did see it with my own eyes....

quote from post 38...My mother was found dead in the first bedroom which means she moved from the living room to the bedroom. There was no trace of blood between. She was killed in the bedroom and found seated in a chair...end of quote.

Your mother was not just found setting in a chair.
She was found bound to that chair.
Is that correct?
Do you know the answer?
The only way you would know for sure.
Would have been to see it with your own eyes.

And I believe it may be possible that your gm was murdered first.
After she heard something going on in the other bedroom
and was going to investigate it.


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[believe09]

She was not bound to the chair. She was just sitting in it, slumped against the wall. Unfortunately, I did see it with my own eyes....

Oh my maxa. I am so sorry.

fwiw, I like the druggy brother theory, but I am open as well to all the details which might create the picture for us.

Did the Vidocq society or law enforcement tell you that LE was not going to cooperate with the request to open the case?

Thank you in advance maxa.

 

[believe09]

One other question-did your mother or grandmother know the brothers?

 

[Oriah]

She was not bound to the chair. She was just sitting in it, slumped against the wall. Unfortunately, I did see it with my own eyes....

I'm so sorry, maxa. How terribly painful. You must not sleep at night.
I hope we can help you find the person(s) responsible for this terrible crime.

I have a couple of questions. You mentioned there was no glass tracked through the home. Do you know if there was any glass tracked outside the home?

Also, were there any prescription medications or written scripts missing from the home, or perhaps your mom or grandmothers' purses? Did they see a family physician regularly?

Also- what was the weather like that day? I can look this up, but thought you might have a better recollection.

TIA if you can answer any of these questions.

 

[maxaroad]

Both sides told me there were no resources. The Vidocq Society actually had to follow up several times over about a 6 month period. They were put off at first and then ultimately shut down.

Oh my maxa. I am so sorry.

fwiw, I like the druggy brother theory, but I am open as well to all the details which might create the picture for us.

Did the Vidocq society or law enforcement tell you that LE was not going to cooperate with the request to open the case?

Thank you in advance maxa.

 

[maxaroad]

My mother would not have. My grandmother may have and I know my cousin knew them.

One other question-did your mother or grandmother know the brothers?

 

[maxaroad]

Thanks.

I was not told if there was glass tracked outside of the house. I would imagine the detective that interviewed me last year would have brought that up.

I am not aware of any medications. I'm sure they both took them but unaware of what they would be. I'm trying to get a copy of the case so I will see if there is mention there.

I vividly remember the weather the day we found them - that day was very dreary, cool, overcast and drizzling. I am not sure about the night of the murders though.

I'm so sorry, maxa. How terribly painful. You must not sleep at night.
I hope we can help you find the person(s) responsible for this terrible crime.

I have a couple of questions. You mentioned there was no glass tracked through the home. Do you know if there was any glass tracked outside the home?

Also, were there any prescription medications or written scripts missing from the home, or perhaps your mom or grandmothers' purses? Did they see a family physician regularly?

Also- what was the weather like that day? I can look this up, but thought you might have a better recollection.

TIA if you can answer any of these questions.

 

[Oriah]

Both sides told me there were no resources. The Vidocq Society actually had to follow up several times over about a 6 month period. They were put off at first and then ultimately shut down.

Do you mean that both local LE and the Vidocq Society said they did not have the resources? Confused- please explain further if you can?

There are independant members of Vidocq who do pro bono work, who may be able to help.

 

[Oriah]

Thanks.

I was not told if there was glass tracked outside of the house. I would imagine the detective that interviewed me last year would have brought that up.

I am not aware of any medications. I'm sure they both took them but unaware of what they would be. I'm trying to get a copy of the case so I will see if there is mention there.

I vividly remember the weather the day we found them - that day was very dreary, cool, overcast and drizzling. I am not sure about the night of the murders though.

Do you know if either your mom or grandmother suffered from any chronic illnesses? What kind of cancer did you grandfather die of? Can I assume he was on pain medication before he passed? Do you know if he was under the care of a hospice or home health care company?

Sorry for the many questions...

 

[maxaroad]

Sorry, no the Vidocq Society had the resources. Harford County said they didn't have a resource and as I was told, the Vidocq Society needs to work in conjunction with the Sheriff's Dept.

Do you mean that both local LE and the Vidocq Society said they did not have the resources? Confused- please explain further if you can?

There are independant members of Vidocq who do pro bono work, who may be able to help.

 

[maxaroad]

Keep the questions coming!

I believe he died of prostate cancer but was in the hospital at the time. There may have been painkillers. My mom suffered from Raynaud's Disease but the medication she would have taken is just to promote circulation.

Do you know if either your mom or grandmother suffered from any chronic illnesses? What kind of cancer did you grandfather die of? Can I assume he was on pain medication before he passed? Do you know if he was under the care of a hospice or home health care company?

Sorry for the many questions...

 

[Oriah]

Sorry, no the Vidocq Society had the resources. Harford County said they didn't have a resource and as I was told, the Vidocq Society needs to work in conjunction with the Sheriff's Dept.

Ok- well let's work on that.

I know you are in the process of trying to gain access to files. That will help tremendously.

In the meantime- maybe we can help! Do you know all the news outlets that may have printed your grandfathers wake and funeral notification in their publications? Was anything televised? Also- do you know of any arrests made in the area the week before, during, and after the murders?

Also (and I am so sorry to ask this ) do you know how many persons were first responders to the scene? Including family and LE?

 

[maxaroad]

Interestingly (or suspiciously) enough, I have not been able to find anything on-line about this (prior to the ABC news spot) with the exception of a short Washington Post article. I can tell you that when we returned from the police station, there were news cameras all over and the sheriff's department had to have a media person on hand to manage all the media.

As far as first responders, it was my father, my two brothers and myself who found them. Detective Jack Meckley was one of the first detectives on the scene but I do not know who the first LE responders were. Paul Cole was the original detective on the case and has since retired.

Don't be sorry to ask anything at all. I am an open book when it comes to this!! I will tell every detail I know to get answers.

Ok- well let's work on that.

I know you are in the process of trying to gain access to files. That will help tremendously.

In the meantime- maybe we can help! Do you know all the news outlets that may have printed your grandfathers wake and funeral notification in their publications? Was anything televised? Also- do you know of any arrests made in the area the week before, during, and after the murders?

Also (and I am so sorry to ask this ) do you know how many persons were first responders to the scene? Including family and LE?

 

[badhorsie]

Maxaroad, I just read about your case, please accept my condolences. I do hope that you get the support and closure that you need
With love from England

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

A quick question for you about back then.

Those two brothers.
When you say druggies we are not talking some mild drugs such as weed.
We are talking heavy stuff yes. Addicting stuff either through prescription or street sales such as cocaine etc.?

Those two brothers back then.
They never took a polygraph test did they??

And the one still living.
Is he living in the same house as back then?
I am wondering if the house they were living in belong to the parents.
though that question is not as important as the first two.