ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 5

[Donjeta]

You would think that he would be referred to as a sibling if that were the case. However, getting the real facts in this case has been like a dripping faucet, one drip at a time.

Ain't that the truth... If it was all so darn normal I don't understand why it was such a state secret who was there.

But IMO if the little boy was his son he could have used it to his advantage. When it was said that he had to move in with mom in order to take care of Ayla it might have looked a bit like a young bachelor had to turn to mommy because he wasn't able to handle a toddler on his own and that sort of thing could sometimes turn out badly. It would IMO have appeared like a different situation if it had been told that he already was a family man, a father, had already been taking care of a baby and was used to having the responsibility for a toddler and now just got the custody for another child of his.

 

[katydid23]

I in no way implied that Ayla should be in the same bed as her father. By the same reasoning, what would people say if the girlfriend's child slept in the same bed with Justin and the girlfriend? I really don't know where the little boy slept, but according to the article he was with JP and the girlfriend. I thought that he was probably in his own bed, but in the same room. Personally, I am all for the "family bed", but that doesn't sound like the scenario here.

I am all for the family bed as well. We did it that way for years. Crowded but cosy. We do not know for sure what the sleeping arrangements were in that house that night. But I feel bad saying Ayla was 'left out' just because she was sleeping in her room in her bed. That seems unfair. imo

 

[NFYIAMY]

Let's be a little fair to the mother ~ she knew her child, after all.

And Ayla had to get used to a new "strange place" when she was taken away by Justin, so it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. :twocents:

But children that age don't really care whether they sleep in a stroller or sleep in a fold-up crib, as long as they feel secure. It's not ideal, but what really matters is having the same caregiver every day.

Oh, and it's also nice to be safe while you're in bed. As the story stands now, it seems that Ayla might have been safer in a hotel room with her mother than in the more "stable" household with her father. JMOO JMOO JMOO

:cow:

The mother was also (self-admittedly) dealing with an addiction problem so it is not unfair to suggest that there may have been inconsistency with Ayla's sleep patterns while with the mom. It would be understandable, no?

 

[Donjeta]

I am not sure what the point of the sleep discussion is. We don't know what time Ayla was gone and we can't be sure that Ayla wouldn't have woken up that night if she had been there imo. And *if* the family is involved she might have woken up but we're not being told because it's part of what happened.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

I was just looking through old preggo pics from 2009 from CR's myspace. There is one photo that shows her hands, and she is wearing a diamond and a wedding band. Hmmm. ?? I don't think I can post myspace links here, can I? She appears to be pretty thrilled with getting pregnant. I do not think her son is Justin's.

 

[naturallyme]

If this was not a stranger abduction, I think looking back to what happened prior to that night might be helpful. No doubt there was tension going on with the custody battle. In cases similar to this that I have seen, child support payments have been a major issue, and is one of the more common reasons for a tug of war over the child. IMO

Child support can lead to lots of tension, and not just between the Mom and Dad. If the Dad is unablel to pay, often times his parents will pay to keep him out of jail. Girlfriends do the same. That adds tension to other peoples relationship.

I have a feeling that child support payments may have played some part in the change of custody as well as the fact that Trista was in Rehab.

Could either Phoebe or the girlfriend have been helping with the child support?

Not pointing any fingers here, just bringing up what has/does happen in cases like this.
Not sure what this has to do with the child going missing either, other than it could have added to tension and frustration.

 

[stilettos]

I think that's much more plausible. :twocents:

Several times with our kids over the years we had the crib in the room with us, and there wasn't any whoopee going on. Everything had to stay quiet so the baby could sleep.

I really don't see anything wrong with Ayla being a room by herself. My kids had rooms to themselves and we didn't go in unless they cried or called out to us.

The strange part is the child missing from a house full of sleeping adults and other children. :cow:

I had the baby in my rom when she was an infant...with the little bed that fits next to your mattress...no whoppee going on. However, GF visiting...prob gonna be some frisk happening sometime/we just don't roll like that with our kids. To each his own. I do believe (with knowledge) that DFCS here in GA would require a sep room for a child that spends 4-5 nights in a home.

 

[Kiln Wood]

If this was not a stranger abduction, I think looking back to what happened prior to that night might be helpful. No doubt there was tension going on with the custody battle. In cases similar to this that I have seen, child support payments have been a major issue, and is one of the more common reasons for a tug of war over the child. IMO

Child support can lead to lots of tension, and not just between the Mom and Dad. If the Dad is unablel to pay, often times his parents will pay to keep him out of jail. Girlfriends do the same. That adds tension to other peoples relationship.

I have a feeling that child support payments may have played some part in the change of custody as well as the fact that Trista was in Rehab.

Could either Phoebe or the girlfriend have been helping with the child support?Not pointing any fingers here, just bringing up what has/does happen in cases like this.
Not sure what this has to do with the child going missing either, other than it could have added to tension and frustration.

BBM

Do any of us here even know with certainty that JD (or anyone representing his paternal interests) was paying child support for any child?

 

[deoneta]

BBM

Do any of us here even know with certainty that JD (or anyone representing his paternal interests) was paying child support for any child?

Custody issues and legal paternity were apparently never established since both parents had plans to file for custody. I am guessing any support was informally arranged between the parents. It's still unclear if JD had a job so also unclear where any money that may have been given to TR for Ayla's support would have come from. All MOO.

 

[deoneta]

I know it's not permitted to link to his website or discuss the contents, but I hope it's okay to post that TR will appear on Peter Hyatt's radio show Sunday at 5 PM EST. If this is also not permitted, would a mod please remove my post?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I really can't see a fall down stairs killing a child...I also don't understand why time and time again, case after case, people insinuate that seemingly rational/reasonable adults would cover up an accident. It doesn't seem as though JD had anything to hide or lose by calling 911 if she did fall down the stairs. There are docs who specialize in child abuse; they can tell if bones were broken as a result of abuse or just regular play.

A guy my husband worked with fell down carpeted steps and broke his neck and died. Absolutely a child could have.

Another thought while reading here: A child could also strangulate themselves if their clothing caught if they tried climbing over a baby gate. Those gates (wooden) are much more dangerous with their designs than the heavy duty plastic ones. Wonder if PD took that "smashed" gate to check it out? Just a thought. About child deaths and those gates: http://www.kidsindanger.org/product-hazards/gates/

As for a cover up...why not? Especially considering a broken arm and bruising also occurred at this home. So in essence IF that is what happened, they may be rationalizing that they are covering up their innocence from being turned into a crime as opposed to reporting an accident with fears that with the given history it could turn into a crime against "them" so to avoid that possibility altogether...an "abduction" took place.

 

[Donjeta]

Yesterday's discussion about stepping over gates on stairs and the gate that JDP supposedly knocked over in his rush to see Ayla's room (according to the light of Maine site anyway) have combined inside my head into the question: what if the gate wasn't knocked over in the morning panic but somebody attempted to step over it holding a toddler, maybe a bit intoxicated?

It might not go over too well if there were two stair accidents injuring the same baby within a month.

 

[cluciano63]

Somehow I doubt that if a dear friend of Trista's had a blog about the wonders of Trista, there would be as many people so quick to take it as truth, JMO.

 

[Jan]

Forgive me if someone has already put this on here. Has everyone been to the web site <modsnip> written by a friend of Justin that has known him since he was 8 years old and she says she has talked to him every day by phone since Ayla disappeared. She gives information from Justin of what went on the night Ayla disappeared and the morning when they discovered her gone. She also tells of Justin's feelings on various days of the search for her--this part is in her blog and the first is in Ayla's story. I learned several things here that I hadn't known before. It appears that Ayla was in her room alone that night (but usually shared the room with Justin's sister's baby). I learned that Justin didn't find out that he was a father (or was going to be) until Ayla was 7 months old. I also learned a lot more about Justin's girlfriend. This was all based on what Justin's friend says Justin told her, so it would have to be considered rumor and not confirmed facts.

 

[Donjeta]

Somehow I doubt that if a dear friend of Trista's had a blog about the wonders of Trista, there would be as many people so quick to take it as truth, JMO.

JMO. The writer clearly has an agenda so it might not be able to be considered "truth". But nevertheless it is interesting, worth a read and a reread imo, because it must have been created for a reason.

I tend to think it was written by someone who is close to the gf and is worried that she would suffer because of Ayla's disappearance. The story had so much detail about her ambitions and her other excellent qualities and also something about the hardships her boyfriend Justin faces and about his non-existent relationship to Trista even though they share a child. Comparatively there was very little information about what Ayla is like and practically nothing about the stellar characters of Phoebe or Justin's sister.

 

[hambirg]

JMO. The writer clearly has an agenda so it might not be able to be considered "truth". But nevertheless it is interesting, worth a read and a reread imo, because it must have been created for a reason.

I tend to think it was written by someone who is close to the gf and is worried that she would suffer because of Ayla's disappearance. The story had so much detail about her ambitions and her other excellent qualities and also something about the hardships her boyfriend Justin faces and about his non-existent relationship to Trista even though they share a child. Comparatively there was very little information about what Ayla is like and practically nothing about the stellar characters of Phoebe or Justin's sister.

ITA!

This "blog" isn't really about Ayla. It's a character reference for JD and his gf. I know I said up thread what bothered me about the gate is that that little tidbit was even mentioned at all. Why is it relevant?! Did LE discover a broken baby gate? Do they suspect that Ayla fell down those stairs? Is there evidence pointing to that? :waitasec:

It doesn't merit mentioning otherwise! It's like including that Elisha stubbed her toe coming out of Ayla's room. Why include it at all? What relevance does it have? I suspect it must play some part in all of this, otherwise it wouldn't have been mentioned at all.

If that is what happened to Ayla, the question then is. . .why cover it up? I'm afraid that this drug involvement with the gf's sister is going to somehow play a part in this. 1000 pills of Oxycontin is no small time drug dabbling. Does JD's gf live with her sister? Did JD live there?

So many questions and so little answers. Why?!!!!

 

[huckleberryhound]

Clearly, this website put up by the longtime family friend is all about defense of Justin and his girlfriend. Since Justin has received a lot of media attention and speculation, I can understand why someone who knows him might feel like they want to help him. But
the girlfriend has barely been mentioned in the media, it wasn't even clear that she was
there for quite awhile, and I've never heard that she is under any suspicion by LE.
So why the need to make her look good, having a job, and getting her masters degree,etc. what does that have to do with Ayla's disappearance? Is there local speculation about her? Is LE more interested in her than we know?

 

[HiHater]

BBM

Do any of us here even know with certainty that JD (or anyone representing his paternal interests) was paying child support for any child?

I have not read anywhere that he was paying child support.

TR supposedly filed for child support/custody the day before Ayla went missing, unbeknownst to JD. That makes it seem like child support or custody issues wouldn't play too big of a role in this case. After all, he got Ayla on or about October 17 IIRC, and TR had not gotten her back at the end of her 10 day rehab. That doesn't sound like a mom who's going to be fighting tooth and nail for custody, at least initially. I have said it before, and I'll say it again, the fact that TR did not get Ayla back after rehab makes me think DHHS had more of a role in this than has been disclosed.

Per the Today Show:

She disputed reports that she filed for sole custody of Ayla a day before she disappeared, telling Lauer she filed for “parental rights and responsibilities, and that’s it.’’ She also denied having anything to do with Ayla going missing.

Clarification as to what parental rights and responsibilities are (at least for me it was helpful):

There is no such thing as "custody" in Maine. It is called parental rights and responsibilities. In a Parental Rights and Responsibilities Order, visitation, primary residence, parental rights and responsibilities and child support will all be addressed.

 

[deoneta]

ITA!

This "blog" isn't really about Ayla. It's a character reference for JD and his gf. I know I said up thread what bothered me about the gate is that that little tidbit was even mentioned at all. Why is it relevant?! Did LE discover a broken baby gate? Do they suspect that Ayla fell down those stairs? Is there evidence pointing to that? :waitasec:

It doesn't merit mentioning otherwise! It's like including that Elisha stubbed her toe coming out of Ayla's room. Why include it at all? What relevance does it have? I suspect it must play some part in all of this, otherwise it wouldn't have been mentioned at all.

If that is what happened to Ayla, the question then is. . .why cover it up? I'm afraid that this drug involvement with the gf's sister is going to somehow play a part in this. 1000 pills of Oxycontin is no small time drug dabbling. Does JD's gf live with her sister? Did JD live there?

So many questions and so little answers. Why?!!!!

Someone posted that they researched it and the gf's address was the same as her sister's address. I can't find it at the moment so I will say MOO, but I'm sure I read that. LE was quoted as saying the arrest was a result of tips by neighbors who told them drugs were being sold in the home. Nothing about JD's former residence except for the account on the Hardy website of his formerly living with three roommates and the desire for a better environment for Ayla which led him to move back home. All MOO.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

3 adults and 2 babies isn't really "jam-packed." It is one more adult than a couple with 2 kids might have, even in a smaller home or apartment.

I see your point about numbers of people...but there are different dynamics when there are 2 to 3 families consisting of this number, than if there are two parents, consistently living in the house, 3 children and maybe a visitor now and then.
Natural human "bubbles" of privacy are unseen factors in the atmosphere of a home.