GUILTY MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* *teen guilty* #6

[BrownRice]

Probably too depressed to care. Sitting in jail too long....over 2 years. Most people in jail are not in jail anywhere near that long. Jails are not equipped for long term incarceration.

The Oakland County Jail maintains an average of 596 offenders in custody on any given day.

The Oakland County Jail has a monthly turnover of 40% of their inmate population.

Another 30% turnover every 90 days.

Another 20% every six months.

Approximately 10% stay incarcerated between six and twelve months.

Oakland County Jail Roster Lookup, MI, Inmate Search

www.jailexchange.com

All good points. And if I was in jail, I’d obviously look worse than I do now with no moisturizer, makeup, hair products. And no sunlight. I remember seeing the drastic changes with Lori Vallow too.

 

[DFWNF]

Agree with all of this. Crazy when she said she wouldn’t change anything.

Her appearance isn’t just lack of hair dye. She looked slovenly thru most of trial. Especially her hair. Assume she can buy a comb in the jail. Put it back in a messy bun or something. But she looks like she rolled out of bed most days. And for the person asking about calories in sandwiches in the beginning of her arrest, she sure has gained an excessive amount of weight. Assume that’s from stress and poor quality food in jail. She should have shown some of that stress and emotion in the courtroom instead of acting unaffected.

I don't care at all about her appearance, and we have seen similar changes many many times here. Misty. JoAnn Cunningham, Magen Fieramusca etc etc

 

[Cool Cats]

Hearing on challenged evidence delayed in James Crumbley trial​

MSN

Feb. 14—A hearing over evidentiary challenges in the case against the father of school shooter Ethan Crumbley is postponed one week — rescheduled from Feb. 14 to Feb. 21 before Oakland County Circuit Judge Cheryl Matthews.

As previously reported by The Oakland Press, defense attorney Mariell Lehman wants some photographic evidence kept from the jury and certain witnesses barred from testifying in James Crumbley's upcoming trial for involuntary manslaughter charges in connection with the 2021 Oxford High School mass shooting.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Agree with all of this. Crazy when she said she wouldn’t change anything.

Her appearance isn’t just lack of hair dye. She looked slovenly thru most of trial. Especially her hair. Assume she can buy a comb in the jail. Put it back in a messy bun or something. But she looks like she rolled out of bed most days. And for the person asking about calories in sandwiches in the beginning of her arrest, she sure has gained an excessive amount of weight. Assume that’s from stress and poor quality food in jail. She should have shown some of that stress and emotion in the courtroom instead of acting unaffected.

Is it possible that Jennifer was not entitled to a daily shower? Her hair looked greasy most of the time, as if she hadn't taken a shower and washed her hair before court. If she had commissary funds for snacks and beverages, she surely could have purchased shampoo and a comb. Presumably, her attorney obtained clothing for Jennifer so she didn't have to appear in court in her jail duds. While I noted JC's slovenly appearance and unkempt hair, I found it somewhat ironic that a hair stylist served as the jury foreperson. JMO

 

[LMDlong]

Agree with all of this. Crazy when she said she wouldn’t change anything.

Her appearance isn’t just lack of hair dye. She looked slovenly thru most of trial. Especially her hair. Assume she can buy a comb in the jail. Put it back in a messy bun or something. But she looks like she rolled out of bed most days. And for the person asking about calories in sandwiches in the beginning of her arrest, she sure has gained an excessive amount of weight. Assume that’s from stress and poor quality food in jail. She should have shown some of that stress and emotion in the courtroom instead of acting unaffected.

I wonder if she is off the Adderall and Xanax. One side affect of Adderall is weight loss.

 

[LMDlong]

Is it possible that Jennifer was not entitled to a daily shower? Her hair looked greasy most of the time, as if she hadn't taken a shower and washed her hair before court. If she had commissary funds for snacks and beverages, she surely could have purchased shampoo and a comb. Presumably, her attorney obtained clothing for Jennifer so she didn't have to appear in court in her jail duds. While I noted JC's slovenly appearance and unkempt hair, I found it somewhat ironic that a hair stylist served as the jury foreperson. JMO

In some prisons and jails prisoners only get to shower once a week.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

It's off-putting to see so many posts mentioning a woman's appearance, hair, and weight gain. Calling her appearance "slovenly?" Regardless of who she is, I just think we are way better than this.

 

[Cedars]

In some prisons and jails prisoners only get to shower once a week.

When they're appearing in court? Having to sit close to their lawyers and the judge?

 

[Sundog]

In some prisons and jails prisoners only get to shower once a week.

Also, depression often takes a toll in this way, we see it often in individuals who don't have the energy for self-care - whether in or out of jail.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I don't think it will help him at all.

Michigan school shooter's father wants a jury from outside the community

The father of a Michigan school shooter wants jurors from a different county to decide his involuntary manslaughter case.

apnews.com

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oxford shooter's dad says he can't get a fair trial in Oakland County after wife's conviction

An attorney for James Crumbley wants to change the location of his trial to get a more impartial jury pool.

www.detroitnews.com

The father of the Oxford High School shooter is asking an Oakland County judge to move his trial to a different county, arguing he cannot get a fair trial due to the widespread media coverage and the number of people who are connected to the tragedy.

James Crumbley is due to stand trial March 5 on four counts of involuntary manslaughter. His attorney, Mariell Lehman, said it would be appropriate to change the location of his trial to get a more impartial jury pool, as many of the approximately 1 million adults in Oakland County likely paid attention to the media coverage of his wife's trial.

“Mr. Crumbley wants, and is entitled to, a fair trial with impartial jurors who do not have personal connections to the school shooting or its victims and jurors who have not been influenced by the inflammatory media, consistent livestream coverage, numerous media articles and particularly by interviews conducted with Prosecutor McDonald that include completely inaccurate information that the public has accepted and repeated as facts of the case," Lehman said...

Father of Oxford shooter wants trial moved out of Oakland County: How that works

Just weeks before his involuntary manslaughter trial is scheduled to begin, the father of the Oxford High School shooter has asked the court to change the trial’s venue.

www.clickondetroit.com

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I don't think it will help him at all.

The Oxford High School shooting and subsequent court proceedings have received international attention. I doubt there is anyone who hasn't heard about the case, so moving James' trial to another Michigan county or bringing a jury to Oakland County from elsewhere in the state isn't likely to make a difference. JMO

 

[RickshawFan]

Looking at the picture in that link, it’s astonishing the physical difference of JC upon arrest and now. Obviously jail/stress has taken a toll on her. We can never know obviously, but I wonder if she would have shown some true emotions during trial and really expressed grief and remorse for the deceased teenagers, and not been so defensive, if she would have had a different outcome. But who knows, maybe that is the real her and she’s not remorseful

This is actually not unusual (Obumseli fan girl), even for women awaiting trial on bond (Hannah Payne).

 

[RickshawFan]

Is it possible that Jennifer was not entitled to a daily shower? Her hair looked greasy most of the time, as if she hadn't taken a shower and washed her hair before court. If she had commissary funds for snacks and beverages, she surely could have purchased shampoo and a comb. Presumably, her attorney obtained clothing for Jennifer so she didn't have to appear in court in her jail duds. While I noted JC's slovenly appearance and unkempt hair, I found it somewhat ironic that a hair stylist served as the jury foreperson. JMO

She might be afraid to shower.

Recall that Ghislaine Maxwell was cited for not showering, not cleaning her toilet, etc. And she was POSH! Maybe Jodi Hillebrand, too, in the Franke case. And then there was Sydney Powell, who was deliberately set up to look like a mad woman in her trial, because she was pleading insanity (fail; 'twas all malingering)

She might have a target on her back in the prison/jail. All the other women are gonna know who she is.

 

[RickshawFan]

In some prisons and jails prisoners only get to shower once a week.

We can look up the handbook for that jail, and then we'd know for sure. IMO the prisoners would be REQUIRED to shower at least once a week, even if they didn't want to.

 

[DFWNF]

The Oxford High School shooting and subsequent court proceedings have received international attention. I doubt there is anyone who hasn't heard about the case, so moving James' trial to another Michigan county or bringing a jury to Oakland County from elsewhere in the state isn't likely to make a difference. JMO

Hi there. Yep, I am following here in Canada, I am sure there are people around the world too.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

We can look up the handbook for that jail, and then we'd know for sure. IMO the prisoners would be REQUIRED to shower at least once a week, even if they didn't want to.

https://www.oakgov.com/home/showpublisheddocument/19120/638324579745670000

 

[cottonweaver]

When they're appearing in court? Having to sit close to their lawyers and the judge?

Must admit, I have never heard of a jail not offering unconvicted detainees a shower before court. Defense attorneys would - rightly - be up in arms.


Anyway, new from Click on Detroit
Defense atty commenting says she believes James is ' a more sympathetic figure ' and she gives credit to jurors in Jennifer's trial.

different point of view, different attorney. A discussion on change of venue '

 

[BrownRice]

In some prisons and jails prisoners only get to shower once a week.

That’s shocking. And doesn’t seem right if someone is going to be on trial.

 

[MrsWatson]

Prosecutor to James Crumbley: Your wife got a fair jury. You will, too.

Prosecutors cite Larry Nassar case in arguing that Ethan Crumbley's father can get a fair trial in Oakland County.

eu.freep.com

"In Jennifer Crumbley's trial, jury selection was completed far quicker than expected and the number of potential jurors needed to empanel a fair and impartial jury was far fewer than expected," Assistant Oakland County Prosecutor Marc Keast wrote in his latest filing. "Selecting a fair and impartial jury in Oakland County will be achieved in defendant James Crumbley's case as well."