MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #3

[Lilibet]

I've read them. Here's the thing...CM/Wes is stating his beliefs. Strong beliefs. Now, just because WE don't agree, doesn't mean those are not his feelings. He strongly feels what he feels, unless he is the culprit and in that case he is deflecting.

I cannot forget the case (here) of Taylor Wright. Her ex-husband was a VI and nearly strung up because he was simply telling the truth about the victim in his own words/opinion. Turns out...he had NOTHING to do with her murder. But oh, how he 'sounded' guilty!

I wasn’t on the Taylor Wright thread you mentioned, but I’ve been on other threads where the VI SO was treated like a suspect, even though they were simply expressing their opinion. But was Taylor Wright’s ex rude and condescending to members and mods? That’s the issue with the VI here IMO. One can express strong opinions and beliefs without resorting to angry comments directed at others in language that can’t be printed. As Tricia often says, “Words have power” and they can do lasting harm, either to another's reputation or ones own. In this case, it’s both.
JMO

 

[Jax49]

I've read them. Here's the thing...CM/Wes is stating his beliefs. Strong beliefs. Now, just because WE don't agree, doesn't mean those are not his feelings. He strongly feels what he feels, unless he is the culprit and in that case he is deflecting.

I cannot forget the case (here) of Taylor Wright. Her ex-husband was a VI and nearly strung up because he was simply telling the truth about the victim in his own words/opinion. Turns out...he had NOTHING to do with her murder. But oh, how he 'sounded' guilty!

I wasn't referring to his opinions which have proven to be inaccurate (per LE).

Rather his attitude and unfortunate tendency to tell other posters to f'off. Demanding that anyone who disagreed with him be banned. For example:

You’re no longer allowed to post on this forum. Goodbye

banned indefinitely!

moo

 

[DexterMorgan]

I agree because the Crime Watch episode was in March.


I truly don't understand the animosity to Wes. He has his opinions and has made them clear to us. To demand he apologize for offering his opinion is unreasonable in myo. This case may never be solved but LE also aren't accusing Wes. I'm just as baffled as everyone else.

If you wouldn't apologize to your inlaws for blaming them for their daughters murder after they were cleared.


Then. Okaaayyyy...

 

[SeesSeas]

Nikki was at home and spoke to Ally before her run on July 30? or Nikki was at church?

Mother of murdered Rose Township jogger asks for public's help solving the case
Ally was pronounced dead at the hospital.
Nikki heard the beyond devastating news while she was attending a mass service at church.

Who killed Ally Brueger? Michigan nurse gunned down while jogging on rural dirt road
And each time she left the house, mom would give Ally the exact same warning: "Be careful out there."
Those were the last words she'd ever speak to Ally as her daughter set out on her usual afternoon run on July 30, 2016.

 

[SeesSeas]

Let's just hope that Wes now focus on someone else for now.
He should have apologized and offered his resources and tenacity to help her parents catch the true killer.

If you wouldn't apologize to your inlaws for blaming them for their daughters murder after they were cleared.

Thus far, I believe Wes. If he "apologized" to her parents, that would be untruthful. It would be an insincere apology. Wes is far from insincere, IMO.

Someone who holds a FIFTEEN YEAR grudge?
Holding a Grudge Produces Cortisol and Diminishes Oxytocin

 

[bluesneakers]

I've read them. Here's the thing...CM/Wes is stating his beliefs. Strong beliefs. Now, just because WE don't agree, doesn't mean those are not his feelings. He strongly feels what he feels, unless he is the culprit and in that case he is deflecting.

His feelings about the case, about Ally, and about her parents do not excuse the way he treated members here. I can understand being passionate about a potential suspect or being personally invested in a crime and its aftermath, but I can't understand being disrespectful and short-tempered to others who, while not directly involved, are also interested and care about the victim and the case.

 

[Lilibet]

I’m still reading to catch up, but I have a couple of thoughts...nothing brilliant, but I’m just trying to get up to speed in my own mind.

LE has made it clear that they have reason to believe that Ally knew her killer. So, if that is actually true, it’s clear that someone Ally knew encountered her while she was running. I assume the encounter was deliberate, because it wasn’t a well-traveled road where an acquaintance might just happen upon her and decide to kill her. Whoever she encountered was familiar with her running route. Based on the new polygraph information, it seems highly unlikely that Ally encountered her father on that road.

What we don’t know is whether Ally had encountered her killer earlier that day or on previous days, either in person or by text or phone or email. Had there been an ongoing (perhaps unpleasant) conversation that Ally had ended? Did the killer come to the road, aggressively intending to continue the conversation? Did Ally refuse and turn away to continue her run or did she see the gun and run for her life? Or was the killer so angry that killing Ally was the sole reason for being on that road. Only the killer knows...at this point.

 

[SeesSeas]

His feelings about the case, about Ally, and about her parents do not excuse the way he treated members here. I can understand being passionate about a potential suspect or being personally invested in a crime and its aftermath, but I can't understand being disrespectful and short-tempered to others who, while not directly involved, are also interested and care about the victim and the case.

Members here were disrespectful to him. He reacted to that disrespect in a disrespectful way.
Moving along . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

[Kankan]

I think the VI has a strong personality. He doesn’t take much crap from people and doesn’t feel the need to mince his words. I have friends like this. They are a bit rough around the edges but when push comes to shove I want them in my corner. Wes is fighting hard and pushing for what he believes is the truth and what his gut is telling him. We don’t have to believe him he’s just putting it out there. Take it for what you feel it’s worth.

As far as how he treated mods and members I’m not a fan, but I will say there are many many members who were also breaking rules in how they treated the VI, the accusations and also questioning the mods when they sided with Wes. It was ugly on both sides, over and over again.

Niki, Franz, and Wes all grew to be suspicious of each other. Accusations have been thrown in both directions, this isn’t one sided. I wouldn’t apologize to someone who had slandered me in the media, or expect an apology from someone I had actively went after either. There’s bad blood, it happens.

 

[Jax49]

His feelings about the case, about Ally, and about her parents do not excuse the way he treated members here. I can understand being passionate about a potential suspect or being personally invested in a crime and its aftermath, but I can't understand being disrespectful and short-tempered to others who, while not directly involved, are also interested and care about the victim and the case.

bbm

He did an excellent job of showing he has a bad temper. Not a good look in this situation.

moo, of course

"A bad-tempered person becomes angry and annoyed easily."

 

[Jennifer17]

I think the VI has a strong personality. He doesn’t take much crap from people and doesn’t feel the need to mince his words. I have friends like this. They are a bit rough around the edges but when push comes to shove I want them in my corner. Wes is fighting hard and pushing for what he believes is the truth and what his gut is telling him. We don’t have to believe him he’s just putting it out there. Take it for what you feel it’s worth.

As far as how he treated mods and members I’m not a fan, but I will say there are many many members who were also breaking rules in how they treated the VI, the accusations and also questioning the mods when they sided with Wes. It was ugly on both sides, over and over again.

Niki, Franz, and Wes all grew to be suspicious of each other. Accusations have been thrown in both directions, this isn’t one sided. I wouldn’t apologize to someone who had slandered me in the media, or expect an apology from someone I had actively went after either. There’s bad blood, it happens.

Asking questions that Wes did not like is not being disrespectful IMO. To me, he seemed to want us to only ask questions that incriminated Franz. He is also a suspect, but if we queried his statements, he became aggressive.

 

[Kankan]

Asking questions that Wes did not like is not being disrespectful IMO. To me, he seemed to want us to only ask questions that incriminated Franz. He is also a suspect, but if we queried his statements, he became aggressive.

I agree that is not disrespectful. It went beyond that though.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Nikki was at home and spoke to Ally before her run on July 30? or Nikki was at church?

Mother of murdered Rose Township jogger asks for public's help solving the case
Ally was pronounced dead at the hospital.
Nikki heard the beyond devastating news while she was attending a mass service at church.

Who killed Ally Brueger? Michigan nurse gunned down while jogging on rural dirt road
And each time she left the house, mom would give Ally the exact same warning: "Be careful out there."
Those were the last words she'd ever speak to Ally as her daughter set out on her usual afternoon run on July 30, 2016.

As to your first question, the answer is yes (“Those were the last words she'd ever speak to Ally as her daughter set out on her usual afternoon run on July 30, 2016.”).

As to your second question, Nikki was at church when she was told her daughter was dead (“Nikki heard the beyond devastating news while she was attending a mass service at church.”).

According to the church website, Saturday mass starts at 4 pm.

“Police said they received a 911 call around 2:35 p.m. that day, saying a woman had been shot on Fish Lake Road, and that she was on a front lawn ‘bleeding all over the place.’” (BBM)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/104071462

Based on this information and assuming that Ally was running a 9-minute-mile or so, she likely left home by 2:20pm at the latest, IMO (according to a screenshot of directions Wes posted previously, she was 1.7 miles from home when she was shot).

IF there was a confrontation between Ally and the killer, she could have left home earlier, however.

So a POSSIBLE scenario would be (MOO):

1. 2:20 pm: Ally leaves for her run. Nikki tells her “Be careful out there."

2. 2:35 pm: Ally is found in the Good Samaritan’s yard.

3. Sometime between 2:20 pm and 3:55 pm (according to Google Maps, it is a five-minute drive from the Brueger residence to St. Rita Catholic Parish), Nikki leaves home for church. It would have taken the authorities some time to figure out Ally’s identity and contact her next of kin, IMO, so Nikki doesn’t learn of Ally’s death until after mass has already started.
Google Maps

 

[rosesfromangels]

Your timeline is very interesting inmyhumbleopinion. If Ally was murdered so quickly after leaving her home (within a 10 minute window), it suggests she was under surveillance starting at her parents home.

I would be interested in understanding the line of sight 360 degrees, and where there could be covert hiding spots. If there truly weren't any obvious places to conceal, I would drag every neighbor on that jogging trail in for a poly. But that's just me.

 

[Kankan]

Unless it was a random murder or an altercation while on her run. Then she wouldn’t have been under surveillance but just involved in a bad situation. Either is pretty plausible. I wouldn’t be surprised at either outcome.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Unless it was a random murder or an altercation while on her run. Then she wouldn’t have been under surveillance but just involved in a bad situation. Either is pretty plausible. I wouldn’t be surprised at either outcome.

Yes, I think this is highly possible as well. I myself, jog past a neighbors house where they have a dog who goes ballistic every time I do so. The neighbor always comes out of the house to give me the stink eye as I merrily jog along. It made me think of Ally, and wondered if someone lost their mind at this little jogger "disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of their property".

 

[Lilibet]

Yes, I think this is highly possible as well. I myself, jog past a neighbors house where they have a dog who goes ballistic every time I do so. The neighbor always comes out of the house to give me the stink eye as I merrily jog along. It made me think of Ally, and wondered if someone lost their mind at this little jogger "disturbing the peaceful enjoyment of their property".

LE says there is evidence that Ally knew her attacker, so I guess your stink-eye neighbor could qualify as someone you “know” in the eyes of LE. We don’t have a definition of “know” so it could be someone she knew by sight but not necessarily by name? I don’t remember if LE worded it more specifically.

 

[MyBelle]

You don't understand the animosity towards Wes???How about the fact he kept calling her dad a killer, and saying her mom was covering for him. Or maybe it's the way he was rude and condescending to posters and the mods.

LE said the parents were suspects as recently as this past March so I'm not offended that someone who actually knew and loved Ally also thought her parents were involved. It wasn't until yesterday that LE said the parents are no longer suspects.

 

[kimlynn]

Thus far, I believe Wes. If he "apologized" to her parents, that would be untruthful. It would be an insincere apology. Wes is far from insincere, IMO.

Someone who holds a FIFTEEN YEAR grudge?
Holding a Grudge Produces Cortisol and Diminishes Oxytocin

Insincere or not an apology is owed to the parents. He may have thought they were guilty and still might hold that belief,but he went on a message board read by hundreds and made claims that turned out to be false.
Speaking for myself I would feel awful if my public claims of guilt turned out to be wrong.
This is why I have been careful in regards to Wes on my thoughts on the case.
An apology would be the right thing to do and people would have more respect for him as a result.

 

[DexterMorgan]

After the latest article I think Wes is sending a barrage of not so nice emails to Vera and Shaw