GUILTY MI - Jane Bashara, 56, dies in contract killing, Grosse Pointe Park, 25 Jan 2012 #2

nursebeeme · Apr 13, 2012

Darkman00 said:
nursebeeme :nurse:

Mozel Tov! ... L'Chaim! :toast:
:needdrink:

prost Darkman!

Darkman00 · Apr 13, 2012

Darkman00 said:
David Griem younger ... - 1980 Press Photo David Griem Prosecutor

20 bucks and it's yours: (FREE shipping even)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Press-...oto_Images&hash=item3a6fa992cf#ht_3023wt_1163

Isn't this him too? :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Press-...oto_Images&hash=item3cc419bdfc#ht_3222wt_1163

If you go to Ebay.com and enter Bashara (in Search box there) ... - you ll see many nice photos for sale of Bob's father and grandfather - George Bashara Jr. and Sr.

P.S. All around $20 range also

Zeus · Apr 13, 2012

There is a rumor going around that Dateline was at BB's house Weds. night.
Also Griem may look bad because he has filed bankruptcy as was posted on Hinkymeter earlier this week.

Darkman00 · Apr 13, 2012

Zeus ... wonder if BB got paid for that interview or if did it for FREE (just to tell his story etc)

.. as for Griem filing for BK .. some also suggested there.. that it's not a big deal .. that he knows what he is doing - he is in the middle of divorce and, more likely, wants to cut his wife "dry" from that house etc.... )))

Darkman00 · Apr 13, 2012

Court battle brews over Bob Bashara handwriting sample
Prosecutors respond to attorney's motion in Grosse Pointe Park murder case

Published On: Apr 13 2012 05:53:39 PM EDT

DETROIT - Wayne County prosecutors have responded to a motion filed by the attorney of Bob Bashara concerning a request for a handwriting sample from Bashara....

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On Friday, prosecutors filed their motion with the court in response. They maintain that Bashara has no right to have an attorney present because, at this time, he is not facing any charges.

Griem has until next Monday to respond to the motion from the prosecutor's office.

Judge Timothy Kenny will hold a hearing to consider the motions and issue a ruling next Wednesday. Bob Bashara is expected to attend that hearing.

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More at the Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...mple/-/1719314/10714190/-/8w53gz/-/index.html

Darkman00 · Apr 13, 2012

On Friday, prosecutors filed their motion with the court in response. They maintain that Bashara has no right to have an attorney present because, at this time, he is not facing any charges.

That, kinda, sounds as a "weak" reason to me. (cuz "he is not facing any charges")

He is a POI .. and they want him there cuz of serious matter ... investigation of his wife's murder (with him being POI) ... pretty logical for him or anyone else to be represented by a lawyer in every matter of the murder investigation... etc...

Me thinks prosecution should have come up with a better reason than this one...
Not sure of course what will happen on Wednesday .. but i wouldn't be surprised if judge will allow Griem present for this handwriting sample .. it's not such a big deal anyhow.

Battle over "nothing" .. really .. if you ask me

Woe.be.gone · Apr 13, 2012

Darkman00 said:
April 12, 2012 at 1:00 am
Bashara's lawyer fights request for handwriting sample

Attorney asks to be present if client gives prosecutors sample

By Christine Ferretti
The Detroit News

..."We believe it's contrary to the law that they can take a target of an investigation and force that individual to go into a room with a bunch of police and prosecutors, close the door and have their way with him," said Griem, noting he previously facilitated a sample from Bashara, but prosecutors wouldn't accept it.

"They are arguing we have no right to be there. We argue we do have such a right. That's the heart of the issue."

Griem said he either wants both sides to be present or neither side to be present when the sample is given...

source to above snipped by me. ~

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BBM - Nothing about this case is funny but this lawyer is a real hoot!
Considering his own demand that both sides be present when BB gives a handwriting sample, he's offended that prosecutors won't accept the sample he wrote - oops, I mean, gathered. Too much.

The terminology Griem uses in his statement made me giggle considering BB's preferences.

Woe.be.gone · Apr 13, 2012

Zeus said:
There is a rumor going around that Dateline was at BB's house Weds. night.
Also Griem may look bad because he has filed bankruptcy as was posted on Hinkymeter earlier this week.

Now you're making me feel sorry for the guy. Why can't he shut up so thinking people would want to hire him? That's all.
About his looks - we all get older and I don't want to curse myself by commenting! It's bad enough as it is!

Nieschk · Apr 14, 2012

I seem to remember reading at the Hinky that the prosecution does not want Greim present because he would then become a witness to the handwriting sample and he cannot be a witness and Bashara's atty. too.

Woe.be.gone · Apr 14, 2012

http://www.businessinsider.com/poli...-tell-suspects-are-lying-2012-4#ixzz1rswNh9m5

I nabbed this article over in the 'Up-to-the-Minute' thread - tips about how LE sense when someone is lying.
Interesting as I can pick a few tips out that describe BB's behavior in relation to this case.

lauriej · Apr 14, 2012

Darkman00 said:
That, kinda, sounds as a "weak" reason to me. (cuz "he is not facing any charges")

He is a POI .. and they want him there cuz of serious matter ... investigation of his wife's murder (with him being POI) ... pretty logical for him or anyone else to be represented by a lawyer in every matter of the murder investigation... etc...

Me thinks prosecution should have come up with a better reason than this one...
Not sure of course what will happen on Wednesday .. but i wouldn't be surprised if judge will allow Griem present for this handwriting sample .. it's not such a big deal anyhow.

Battle over "nothing" .. really .. if you ask me

--i disagree.

--it's the 'legality' of whether or not griem has a right to be present. this handwriting sample will be part of the discovery. so what if bob's a POI w/ an attorney------until he's charged, griem is not allowed to see any of the discovery, and he knows that.

--remember when joe was charged, and his attorney susanR was given the big binder of discovery that day-----and greedy griem wanted a 'peek' a it??

--that didn't work for him either.

Darkman00 · Apr 15, 2012

lauriej said:
--remember when joe was charged, and his attorney susanR was given the big binder of discovery that day-----and greedy griem wanted a 'peek' a it??

--that didn't work for him either.

Of course, I remember...

But that was a different matter ... - Griem is not Joe Gent'z lawyer .. and has nothing to do with SusanR (on the opposite, he / they are trying to blame it all / to "write it all off" on Joe.

So he got no business really to look at her folder ... they are on different sides totally...

He tried ... and it didn't work, lol (NOT a surprise!) ... End of that story.

Here (regardless what judge decides on Wednesday) is somewhat different story.
I know Bob is not charged yet... but he is POI (and rumored to be charged soon) and is represented by Griem.

It's like for example ... LE takes anyone in the room .. to talk .. start talking etc (and the person is not even charged yet .. maybe suspect maybe not .. but LE simply want to talk to the person) ... suddenly the person goes: "I am not talking any longer without presence of my lawyer" or: "I am NOT talking at all without my lawyer present" .. and they let it go.

Here it is somewhat different story .. but, one more time, --- not sure how judge will rule on April 18th ... i got no clue actually ... but if he allows Griem present (somewhere in the same room even), over such matter as this one, would NOT come as a big surprise, to me anyhow.

Woe.be.gone · Apr 15, 2012

Griem seems pretty paranoid though considering he's claiming BB's innocent. :twocents:

Velouria · Apr 16, 2012

BetteDavisEyes said:
Griem looked pretty haggard when he worked the Steven Grant case several years ago, but I think he looks like death warmed over since taking on the BB case. :moo:

He's always reminded me of Mark Twain, minus the incredible wit and intelligence.

Darkman00 · Apr 17, 2012

April 17, 2012 at 11:32 am
Bashara lawyer blasts prosecutors over handwriting sample request

By Christine Ferretti and George Hunter
The Detroit News

Detroit— The attorney representing Robert Bashara has filed a motion in Wayne Circuit Court accusing prosecutors of trying to "stage manage a potential future trial before it begins" in connection with the January murder of Bashara's wife, Jane Bashara.

Wayne County Prosecutors have requested a handwriting sample from Robert Bashara, who was named by investigators as a person of interest in his wife's murder, although he has never been charged.

Bashara's attorney, David Griem, said in a motion filed Monday that he wants to be present while his client provides the handwriting sample, and blasted prosecutors for what he called "comical" claims that the circuit court doesn't have the authority to intervene in a dispute over the sample.

Bashara is due in court Wednesday for a hearing on the matter.

In his nine-page filing, Griem also claimed prosecutors want to sway a potential jury by using creative editing and camerawork while videotaping his client as he provided the handwriting sample...

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More at the Source: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...s-prosecutors-over-handwriting-sample-request

Darkman00 · Apr 17, 2012

Darkman said:
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More at the Source: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...s-prosecutors-over-handwriting-sample-request

"Griem has said he's asking the court to either allow both sides to present or neither."

In comments, at the above source, someone suggested quite a logical "solution" to this particular dispute:

Jim BigThunder :

solution: no cameras; just an independent person appointed by the judge who can testify that Mr. Bashara signed the paper. What ever they want him to write needs to be typed out ahead of time for review by both sides and the judge.

BetteDavisEyes · Apr 17, 2012

BB's handwriting sample: Methinks the Griem Reaper doth protest too much :moo:

Belinda · Apr 17, 2012

For the life of me, I cannot imagine why it is taking so long to charge Bashara.

Woe.be.gone · Apr 17, 2012

There's a feature with Comcast cable called 'On Demand'. It's sort of a pain because it takes a long time to look through the selections of what there is to watch. Anyway, recently I started to explore the programs offered. Last night, I looked to see if anything interested me. When I saw 'ID', I clicked. Featured were four programs from the same series 'Love Scorned'. I didn't know which one to pick so I selected the first one ~ guess who I saw next? Griem.

The case was about Stephen Grant* who I've noticed mentioned on this thread before. I wasn't familiar with the case and hadn't bothered to look it up yet. Griem was seen a few times througout the show making neutral comments about the case. If criticizing LE and/or the media was Griem's game plan, which they didn't go into in the episode as it wasn't about SD's defense, then I can see that's all he had to grasp on to. Why would anyone defend a case like that? I know our laws are that everyone deserves a fair trial but, if ever there was a case of no doubt where someone wasn't caught in the act, this one is it. My question, how can a defense lawyer defend someone who is obviously guilty? That must be hard.

*Name corrected (I should write things down!)

Woe.be.gone · Apr 17, 2012

Belinda said:
For the life of me, I cannot imagine why it is taking so long to charge Bashara.

Getting all their eggs in a row?
Gathering all the evidence in order to determine all who conspired?
Umm, like to watch POI's who kill their wives sweat?

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