MI MI - Ronald & Christine Jabalee, both 58, New Baltimore, 6 Oct 2006

[PushSomeMore]

Too bad they didnt play the entire call, it, in looking back in retrospect, its veryyyyyyyyyy odd,and its Ryan who made the call. He tells what city he lives in and much more before he gives the location of Ron and Christine...... btw, what great lengths the police seem to be going to "taint" the public.....I wonder if 911 transcripts are available to the public?

 

[jjenny]

But Jabalee's attorneys say the elder Jabalee's loan documents were never presented to the grand jury and showed that the line of credit was paid down in a "timely and methodical manner" from January 2006 to March 2007. The line of credit had increased from about $85,000 in January 2006 to $91,000 that October because the credit line had been paid down by $6,000.
The information about the account was not received by New Baltimore police until July 17 -- three weeks after the indictment and three years after the homicides, the defense alleges.
The requests for dismissal also contends:
• The case is circumstantial with no fingerprints, DNA or other physical evidence.
• No viable evidence turned up in a June 2009 search of Jabalee's home and business.
• A former or co-employee of Jabalee Sr., "bookies," a "loan shark," relative, business competitor or gangs could be to blame.
• The grand jury was never told that Jabalee denied killing his parents on several occasions.
Other items noted in the motions include requests for further discovery and criminal histories. The defense also is seeking dismissal of the charges on claims the indictment was defective.

Read more: http://www.detnews.com/article/2010...03/Dismissal-sought-in-slayings#ixzz0ce8a59FR

I expected to see something eye-popping revealed by the Defense in asking for dismissal of charges. IMO Ron's Attorney's are grasping at straws. However, I'd like to hear more about the home equity line of credit. The news story does not give adequate details. How would Ron be able to draw on the line if he were not authorized to do so? Why the delay in finding out about the unauthorized use? Was the discovery of this fraud part of the testimony the Uncle gave at the GJ Hearing?

The rest of the grounds for dismissal ... He wore gloves and cleaned up the crime scene. In 2009 three years after the crime I wouldn't expect ANYTHING to found in his home-DUH! The former co-employee forgot to mention the garbageman and the customer who hated the pot roast he purchased. What killer doesn't deny that he committed murder. My point is Ron's Attorneys are doing what they are paid to do.
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Then what does prosecution has as an evidence against him? If there is no physical evidence, and no eyewitness evidence, what exactly does the prosecution has for evidence?

 

[jjenny]

The show was basically an answer to the original show about the case now that the son Ron has been charged. They had an expert analyze Ron's earlier interview for America's Most Wanted. He said the were red flags. First red flag was when Ron was asked to say something to AMW's viewers. Instead of pleas for find out who killed my father, he said "it could happen to anybody". A second red flag was there was no emotion, no anger towards the killer of his parents, no frustration with police. I remember when the show first aired Websleuths thought the interview strange also.

I still don't see how someone can be convicted because they didn't act like most people would during the interview. Maybe he is a strange person, it still doesn't mean he killed his parents.

 

[colette]

Thank you Colette for the heads up on AMW. Does anyone else find it odd that Ryan Jabalee sent his wife over to check on his parents and she found them and the 911 call was from a male not a female. Who was the male? Also why in the hell would AMW spend time on a 1958 murder that has already been solved, the murderer has already been to the gas chamber? I can think of a million more case that need to be solved when that one was already solved.

Ryan (Ron's brother) had his girlfriend check on his parent's because she lived near them. She must have called him after finding them dead and he called 911.

 

[SuziQ]

Seriously?????? in 3 years it took until 3 weeks after to get the loan papers??? HOW CONVENIENT...... yeah ok!!! or you mean, the "pigs" are covering their azzes and saying that it took that long?? because, if they knew the loan existed then obviously they would of investigated it, and any lookn into to it would of given the balance or available credit to date...did they need a 3 yr investigation to do the math?? please ! oh and an hour??? FOR THE RECORD..........NOT EVEN POSSIBLE

FWIW, that's what the defense is claiming. That's par for the course, standard operating procedure, etc etc. All this means is Ron has a decent defense attorney.

 

[SuziQ]

I still don't see how someone can be convicted because they didn't act like most people would during the interview. Maybe he is a strange person, it still doesn't mean he killed his parents.

BBM. That's the only evidence against Ron? People are citing lack of evidence, how do we know what evidence there is? The prosecution isn't going to show their cards until they have to.

 

[jjenny]

BBM. That's the only evidence against Ron? People are citing lack of evidence, how do we know what evidence there is? The prosecution isn't going to show their cards until they have to.

I am guessing the prosecution has a rather weak case, and not just because of what the defense attorney says, but also considering AMW is asking for information even though the prosecution plans to go on trial soon.
That doesn't suggest to me that prosecution has a strong case.

 

[SuziQ]

I am guessing the prosecution has a rather weak case, and not just because of what the defense attorney says, but also considering AMW is asking for information even though the prosecution plans to go on trial soon.
That doesn't suggest to me that prosecution has a strong case.

Most cases are circumstantial and one piece of evidence doesn't tell the entire story. There is rarely concrete evidence such as a confession or the act caught on tape. Why would the prosecution not continue to ask for more information? Someone might be holding that smoking gun.

 

[jjenny]

Most cases are circumstantial and one piece of evidence doesn't tell the entire story. There is rarely concrete evidence such as a confession or the act caught on tape. Why would the prosecution not continue to ask for more information? Someone might be holding that smoking gun.

From everything I've seen so far, it appears to me prosecution has a weak case.
The suspect didn't confess, there are no witnesses to the crime, and defense says there is no physical evidence, and so I am left questioning as to what evidence prosecution could possibly have.

 

[PushSomeMore]

That is NOT WHY Ryans girlfriend went there!! many people lived closer and who sends a 19yr old pregnant girl??? c'mon..............why didnt Ryan call the police to check on them?? he did once reside at that home, im sureeeeeeeeeeeeeee he made nice with them (police) at one point or another of his stay in that city!! IF you're gonna make a comment then make sure it is correct!

 

[SuziQ]

From everything I've seen so far, it appears to me prosecution has a weak case.
The suspect didn't confess, there are no witnesses to the crime, and defense says there is no physical evidence, and so I am left questioning as to what evidence prosecution could possibly have.

And this is typical of most murder cases. The defense will make that type of argument if they have the slightest opportunity to do so. I've seen defense attorneys make that argument even when there is a confession. A good defense attorney will do that. IMO, we will probably have to wait till trial to find out what all the prosecution has.

This is just my thoughts and merely bouncing off your post. I'm anxious to find out more about that line of credit. Granted Ron was paying it down. But that doesn't mean he was allowed to take out that loan. If my kids commited fraud against me like that, I could see a very heated argument happening. If he commited fraud, legally it would not matter whether the loan was being paid back or not. You can't steal from someone then claim that you didn't commit a crime because you are paying them back. That's one of the silliest arguments I've seen a defense make yet. If there were threats of LE or a lawyer being called how heated would that argument get? Not only does this sound like motive, it sounds like premeditation. Murder the parents to keep your finances intact, and everyone from finding out you are not the good guy everyone thinks you are. Alot of people will go to great lenghts to hang on to their standing in a community and spotless reputation.

And who did poor mom take cookies out to? I doubt that was for some nefarious biker/hitman/gambler/disgruntled co-worker type person.

 

[sadsadsad]

we don't know chris was taking the cookie to anyone, she could have just been holding it to eat herself. one of the 1st people of interest the police looked at was cheech's son frank (cheech owns the meat counter across the hall from ron) because he is a very shady character (drinking, drugs, gambeling & out on parole at the time of the murders), but he had his family for an alibi. lots of shady people down at the market - it's a very mob-like culture down there with more than one family who owns a counter. rosie was at work at the market when ryan sent her to his parents house to check things out. i read somewhere (can't remember where) that not only is there no evidence ron did this, but that dna (not from chris or ron) was found at the sceen and it was not a match to ron. like i said, with as small of a hole as there is in his alibi, it's damn near impossible for ron to do what they're accusing him of. it's funny that his alibi was good enough at first, but then became weak enough for them to build a case on after they had gotten no where with anyone else. also interesting that even though they've only chosen to prosecute ron, the police still have not officially ruled out ryan or nikki as suspects. i feel very strongly that ron will be acquitted of his parents murders. what bothers me is that since they've focused in on him, they've stopped investigating and the case is getting colder every day which will make it that much harder to find & convict the real killer(s). you're family push - any people of interest you think may have been overlooked or not looked at close enough?

 

[Knox]

That is NOT WHY Ryans girlfriend went there!! many people lived closer and who sends a 19yr old pregnant girl??? c'mon..............why didnt Ryan call the police to check on them?? he did once reside at that home, im sureeeeeeeeeeeeeee he made nice with them (police) at one point or another of his stay in that city!! IF you're gonna make a comment then make sure it is correct!

Hi PushSomemore
Are you saying in not so many words that Ryan may know something about the murder of his parents?

 

[PushSomeMore]

NO..i wouldnt throw anyone under a bus and shoot out a name, not unless I had proof....it would be absolutely hypocritical of me to do that!! As it is stated in the news paper very recently, there were many things that were never looked into ! I would like to see this be investigated by a fresh set of unbiased eyes.....starting with going back and interviewing everyone!

 

[sadsadsad]

i find it ironic that ron is persecuted for his "odd" or "bizarre" behavior/statements after his parents murder, but not ryan or nikki. all of them were at work that day, yet ryan suggested his pregnant girlfriend go check things out at ron & chris's home after they didn't show up & weren't reachable by phone. abra talked about ron's decline at work after the murders but didn't mention ryan's attitude of acting indifferent if his brother goes to jail and being happy that the business would be all his if he does. and where are the interviews of ryan & nikki on amw's website? i haven't caught the show on air to see if they show up there - anyone else know? people act as if ron was the only one who had anything to gain from their deaths, but it is so not true. it is easy to view him as guilty and bend the evidence to fit him when no other alternative people are presented in the same way.

 

[Knox]

PushSomeMore and Sad ... I don't agree, but valid points from both of you. Ron is the one who has been charged and as SusiQ pointed out a few posts above; the prosecution is not going to tip their hand prior to the trial. Much of the evidence is going to be circumstantial, but if the case is as weak as the defense has intimated it is, the jury will acquit Ron. I have been known to wax cynical about the judicial system now and again, but for the most part I believe in it.

Both of you have personal relationships or knowledge with the people involved in this case. I am not saying that completely colors your judgment, but it gives you a different perspective. Thank you both for bringing your views to the thread, I totally respect that.

 

[colette]

This does not sound good for Ron.... (Hope they have video)

Prosecutors say Ronald F. Jabalee told investigators he might have killed his parents in October 2006, but he didn't remember -- or he could have been sleepwalking.

Jabalee's "unusual conduct," prosecutors say, is notable, too.

He did not close his meat shop in Detroit's Eastern Market after learning his parents had been brutally killed. Nor did he immediately drive to the crime scene, his home or to the police station.....

Now from the defense...not too much for now.

The defense says prosecutors and police withheld evidence and distorted facts to sway the jury and establish guilt. Prosecutor Eric Smith was improperly present at the proceedings, they say.

http://detnews.com/article/20100202...criminating--comments-after-parents--slayings

 

[cjcord]

He MAY have killed them..or he was sleepwalking?:waitasec:

Could this baffling statement have been made while he was on #13 of the Vicodin?

I'm not being offensive or sarcastic- just wondering if such an incriminating statement could be excused if he were under the influence of opiates.


Anyone more fluent in law able to help me out here? And what was the context of the statement? Made in jest? Sometimes people say strange things when under stress and anxiety - making light of a heavy situation is a psychological defense mechanism, I think we need to know more before taking this report as it stands.

 

[sadsadsad]

anonymus wrote on Feb 3, 2010 2:55 PM:

" I believe that the son Ryan had something do to with it. Only because why in the world would he send his girlfriend to go check on them, when I clearly know she does not live anywhere close to them. How come he didn't go or call himself? Why her of all people?! Also, I believe the police should question and interrogate friends of the Jabalee family. For any weird actions the murderer could have done, or said infront of family members. I personally know one of the Jabalee's and after the shocking murders he had nothing nice to say to myself, he shown no mercy and threatened me. It's to sad I have reported and this has gone un-noticed. I fear for anyone and everyones life who is related to Jabalee. "

this is taken from the comments after a different article posted on line at :

http://macombdaily.com/articles/2010/01/31/news/srv0000007479061.txt

remember ryan and nikki also did not close down the shop or go immediately - all 3 siblings were at the shop that am. rich (ron's brother in law) was with him the entire day we found out about the murders - ron was his ride to & from work cause he doesn't have a liscense. rich & mikey (other brother in law) both believe in ron's innocence, so much so that mikey, jessica & their new baby moved in with ron, debbie & the kids. push is family - can you say anthing about the uncle's saying that ron said he might have done it. i would imagine that would really divide a family. is one of the uncles seta? that is one of the names people thought they saw written in the blood. i'd imagine atleast one of them is pollito, but that's just a guess. and were these statements included as the evidence to the grand jury? been gone from the market a long time now. might need to phone a friend or two to hear what the grapevine down there is saying.

 

[sadsadsad]

new article to keep updated.

http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/2010/02/11/news/srv0000007581874.txt