Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 14

[FactsareFacts]

Howdy,

You and Facts raise the same question I did at the start of the evening: why did Michelle go to the therapist in October-November, if that's when she went?

My guess would be that something was bothering her, and had been bothering her for a while. And evidently the cops feel this something had something to do with her death.

--Jake

Well I can agree with that no problem. I'm just not following your reason for ignoring the issues we are aware of and reaching for some elusive concept there seems to be no evidence of.

 

[pack_fan]

Howdy,

No, I am not saying that. I think something happened, but have no idea yet a to what it was. Did it have to do with Jason? I have no idea about that, either. Like you, I'm searching for answers.

--Jake

Jake,

Nothing personal, don't take it that way. You and I both know that the questions I asked about his manners were not about manners at all and if you don't know for sure, I would ask Jason about it. I signed up for this board to defend Jason as I thought there was no possible way that he could have done this. I hope my initial thoughts were correct and we can meet down at Camp Truth Seeker after this is all over and have a few beers together, but there is a definite disconnect between Jason and the in laws. Can't say what the relationship was before, you may know better than I, but there is some reason that LF suspects Jason. Although I can not verify this information, I have been told that Michelle had sought couseling about the marriage and had mentioned leaving Jason before the murder. Not a confession of guilt by any means but I would hope that Jason could be honest with his family and friends. Michelle's family has nothing to gain by trying to pin the murder on Jason. If they truly beleived he didn't do it and the accusations went away, there would be no reason that Cassidy could not live with Jason and the Young family and still keep in close contact with Michelle's family. Honestly, LF doesn't need a three year old and Meredith is probably not stable enough emotionally or financially to swing it. It is hard enough in a two parent household much less trying to raise a child on your own.

Again, I will tell you that I hope Jason is not guilty. Cassidy has lost one parent and should have her father around for some kind of normalcy. Michelle had lots of friends and I know they will not let her forget her mother. She was a wonderful person and I was fortunate to have known her.

Welcome to the board and feel free to share ideas. There are some very intelligent people that post on this board and will consider all ideas with a little mutual respect. This is not a witch hunt as it may seem elsewhere. I assure you that everyone here would be releived is Jason not the guilty party.

Justice for Michelle and her unborn baby,

Pack fan

 

[jake]

Thats what I was saying Raisin. I don't see any connection between something last summer and the therapy right before the murder. No offense to Jake but it seems like your reaching here. You have nothing to offer about anything that may have happened during the summer yet you think seeing a therapist months later has some connection to the summer? Why would you go that route and overlook the obvious? Her husband and best friend were cheating behind her back and she and Jason were having money troubles.

Howdy,

I reckon you see why I'm reaching: the two things you mention I have not yet accepted. The affair I don't want to accept and the money I don't believe is true.

I reckon that's why I'm reaching for something that MIGHT have happened during the summer while they were apart. At any rate, whatever the therapist told the cops will come to light some day. I hope it has something to do with her killer and not with Jason.

--Jake

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Perhaps this will help you, apparently seeing the therapist occurred shortly before her murder. If something happened over the summer months it took a while before she chose to address it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/

"We have someone who died a violent death, and it appears she sought counseling shortly before that time," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said. "The closeness in time to her death heightened our interest and we thought it would perhaps provide insights."

Clearly the Judge thought so, as well.

While we are impatient for wanting this solved (or heck, even a tidbit of new news, LOL)...I'm not really horribly bothered by the wait. I'm going to take the delay as time that LE is researching, going down different paths, turning over all those stones they may have found in the therapist's notes...that these notes and insights are just another cog in the wheel of justice. Certainly, the "smoking gun" wasn't in those notes, but MY's own thoughts, words, feelings to her therapist would certainly give great insight into her frame of mind at that point in her life. It could have given detectives more ammo against JY, or, just as easily, taken the focus off of him and caused them to go down another path.

IF I was the bast*** that brutally murdered MY I'd be absolutely spinning with fear inside as to what those therapy notes contained. (Ok, if it was a random stranger, they wouldn't have to worry about it; but, I don't think that's the case here, IMO).

I've been pleased with the little bit we've seen or heard from WCSO and the DA. They certainly can't be accused of rushing to judgment, can they?

 

[scandi]

or could jason have been having an affair with another man in Calfornia
during the Young family vacation?

would this male lover be seen in photographs that LE has in their possession?

jmo

Hi Saint! Hice to have you here at WS. You do bring up a most interesting point, not even really discussed that I remember. The photos I thought were odd that LE took by warrant were those from 2003 near or at the time of the wedding. If you read through the SWs there were a lot of photos involved to search through from many angles - different times. I had forgotton there were photos from Ca as well.

I'd love to know what was worth capturing on film that happened at the time of their wedding and in Ca that LE has looked into.

Maybe someone can enlighten us!

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

DEPUTYDAWG & Scandi,

But umm ahhh am I that bad? lol

**goes sheepishly to corner**

Sami

GET OUTTA THE CORNER! We need you and your fightin' croc on our team! Do I have to send Mr wildazz DNA driver down yonder to get you out of the corner? (I'd have to travel down there too, to escort you both)

 

[jake]

Jake,

Nothing personal, don't take it that way. You and I both know that the questions I asked about his manners were not about manners at all and if you don't know for sure, I would ask Jason about it. I signed up for this board to defend Jason as I thought there was no possible way that he could have done this. I hope my initial thoughts were correct and we can meet down at Camp Truth Seeker after this is all over and have a few beers together, but there is a definite disconnect between Jason and the in laws. Can't say what the relationship was before, you may know better than I, but there is some reason that LF suspects Jason. Although I can not verify this information, I have been told that Michelle had sought couseling about the marriage and had mentioned leaving Jason before the murder. Not a confession of guilt by any means but I would hope that Jason could be honest with his family and friends. Michelle's family has nothing to gain by trying to pin the murder on Jason. If they truly beleived he didn't do it and the accusations went away, there would be no reason that Cassidy could not live with Jason and the Young family and still keep in close contact with Michelle's family. Honestly, LF doesn't need a three year old and Meredith is probably not stable enough emotionally or financially to swing it. It is hard enough in a two parent household much less trying to raise a child on your own.

Again, I will tell you that I hope Jason is not guilty. Cassidy has lost one parent and should have her father around for some kind of normalcy. Michelle had lots of friends and I know they will not let her forget her mother. She was a wonderful person and I was fortunate to have known her.

Welcome to the board and feel free to share ideas. There are some very intelligent people that post on this board and will consider all ideas with a little mutual respect. This is not a witch hunt as it may seem elsewhere. I assure you that everyone here would be releived is Jason not the guilty party.

Justice for Michelle and her unborn baby,

Pack fan

Howdy,

And thanks for the warm welcome. I do enjoy sharing ideas.

If Jason and Michelle's marriage was shaky, I have not heard about it....other than a rumor on one of the boards when someone guessed that was the reason for the visit to the therapist.

But you may have solid information from friends in Raleigh. I should think friends would be much more like to know something like that than family would. I doubt it is something Jason would readily share with family.

I have heard that Jason's relationship with Mrs. Fisher is not close, and probably never has been. It probably was split beyond healing when people overheard Mrs. Fisher at the funeral home declaring Jason had killed her daughter.

Something like that would be hard to overcome, even taking into account Mrs. Fisher was definitely under a great deal of emotion and strain at the time.

And no matter how this comes out, believe me that Cassidy will be well-taken care of. This extremely bright little girl is well-loved by both sides of the family.

--Jake

 

[scandi]

DEPUTYDAWG & Scandi,

But umm ahhh am I that bad? lol

**goes sheepishly to corner**

Sami

Aw Sami girl, no way! I just love that snap of the jaw smilie from our croc, and when I think of crocs now I always think of either Miami or Aussie-land. LOL Don't get to use this guy too often to make a point. He's hello neat I think!

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Howdy,

I understand that Michelle did take Cassidy with her. I'm sorry, I can't help with the time line right now, but perhaps I can find out.

I believe I think whatever happened, if anything did, while they were apart. I have heard he did know she went to the therapist, but did not know what was discussed. I don't know that is true, but have heard it.

--Jake

IF it's true that he knew she went to a therapist, then this should have been a clue to him that all was not well. He probably knew the reason for her wanting to go, but then again, she may have hidden much of her real reasons. In addition, some people go to therapy to talk, in order to actually figure it out. Some people need assistance trying to figure out what is bothering them, as they can't put their finger on what is really bothering them.

Jake, can you go back and find my post to you about whether you think this "something" that happened in the summer was something that was under Michelle's control or was it something bad that happened to her? Interested in what you have to say....

IMO

 

[raisincharlie]

Thats what I was saying Raisin. I don't see any connection between something last summer and the therapy right before the murder. No offense to Jake but it seems like your reaching here. You have nothing to offer about anything that may have happened during the summer yet you think seeing a therapist months later has some connection to the summer? Why would you go that route and overlook the obvious? Her husband and best friend were cheating behind her back and she and Jason were having money troubles.

There is always the possibility since the sorority sisters were so close that Michelle became aware of certain things shortly before her murder. There may have been more than one affair going on for instance or the one we know about was made known. I however do not think this decision to see a therapist was related to just one thing. Begining in May of 06, Michelle's life did indeed take some dramatic turns. I do know it is not easy for a woman to lose a baby and be okay with it.

ETA - there is also the possibility if Michelle became aware of certain things such as affairs that she confronted JY with that information and either he had a fit or totally denied it. That would definitely get one's attention as well.

 

[FactsareFacts]

Howdy,

I reckon you see why I'm reaching: the two things you mention I have not yet accepted. The affair I don't want to accept and the money I don't believe is true.

I reckon that's why I'm reaching for something that MIGHT have happened during the summer while they were apart. At any rate, whatever the therapist told the cops will come to light some day. I hope it has something to do with her killer and not with Jason.

--Jake

Well your obviously close to Jason so it's understandable you don't want to believe those things about him, fair enough. I don't know him, nor did I know Michelle but from the outside looking in I don't see LE making untruthful statements to the media. Michelle Money seems to have given them information that caused them to state he was in a relationship with her. They also have gone over the Youngs financial information and made the statement that they were having money problems. Both these things become problems in marriages everyday all over the world. It's not proof he killed her by any means but avoiding the facts wont help you understand this situation any better in my opinion. FWIW

I hope and pray for Cassidy's sake Jason did not do this. She deserves to grow up with her only remaining parent in her life thats for sure. She didn't deserve to lose her mommy and baby brother either.

 

[jake]

Clearly the Judge thought so, as well.

While we are impatient for wanting this solved (or heck, even a tidbit of new news, LOL)...I'm not really horribly bothered by the wait. I'm going to take the delay as time that LE is researching, going down different paths, turning over all those stones they may have found in the therapist's notes...that these notes and insights are just another cog in the wheel of justice. Certainly, the "smoking gun" wasn't in those notes, but MY's own thoughts, words, feelings to her therapist would certainly give great insight into her frame of mind at that point in her life. It could have given detectives more ammo against JY, or, just as easily, taken the focus off of him and caused them to go down another path.

IF I was the bast*** that brutally murdered MY I'd be absolutely spinning with fear inside as to what those therapy notes contained. (Ok, if it was a random stranger, they wouldn't have to worry about it; but, I don't think that's the case here, IMO).

I've been pleased with the little bit we've seen or heard from WCSO and the DA. They certainly can't be accused of rushing to judgment, can they?

Howdy,

I certainly agree with you about LE. They seem to be taking their time and not rushing anything...and keeping quiet about whatever it is they are discovering.

Like you, I wonder what those therapist notes will reveal.

Think I'll go to bed. GOOD NIGHT BOARD!

--Jake

 

[Samiya]

Howdy,

I certainly agree with you about LE. They seem to be taking their time and not rushing anything...and keeping quiet about whatever it is they are discovering.

Like you, I wonder what those therapist notes will reveal.

Think I'll go to bed. GOOD NIGHT BOARD!

--Jake

Now this is a side of Jake I like

Night Jake.

Sami

 

[FactsareFacts]

There is always the possibility since the sorority sisters were so close that Michelle became aware of certain things shortly before her murder. There may have been more than one affair going on for instance or the one we know about was made known. I however do not think this decision to see a therapist was related to just one thing. Begining in May of 06, Michelle's life did indeed take some dramatic turns. I do know it is not easy for a woman to lose a baby and be okay with it.

Well having lost 2 myself I can tell you it is not easy to get over at all. It surprises me how quickly she got pregnant again actually. I don't know if thats relevant, just an observation. As a woman with many close girlfriends I suspect that Michelle probably found out about Jason and Michelle Money. Woman gossip and if one of my friends was sleeping with my husband I know 2 things. First that friend would confide in someone because thats what we women do. LOL Second that mutual friend would feel like they were stuck in the middle and eventually she would tell me because I have a right to know. So, I do believe MY knew about the affair. I think it's safe to say she would also be very aware of their financial situation which most certainly would be stressful. We also heard that she was upset with Jason about the California trip too, for several reasons I would imagine. Having lost a baby and then quickly gotten pregnant again would be a hormonal nightmare IMO. Then all this other stuff happens and I absolutely can understand feeling the need to talk to someone about all these things. I think Michelle was under a great deal of stress and probably very emotional at the time of the murder.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Well your obviously close to Jason so it's understandable you don't want to believe those things about him, fair enough. I don't know him, nor did I know Michelle but from the outside looking in I don't see LE making untruthful statements to the media. Michelle Money seems to have given them information that caused them to state he was in a relationship with her. They also have gone over the Youngs financial information and made the statement that they were having money problems. Both these things become problems in marriages everyday all over the world. It's not proof he killed her by any means but avoiding the facts wont help you understand this situation any better in my opinion. FWIW

I hope and pray for Cassidy's sake Jason did not do this. She deserves to grow up with her only remaining parent in her life thats for sure. She didn't deserve to lose her mommy and baby brother either.

You hit on two very important aspects, IMO.

JMHO, but common sense tells me that LE (or was it the DA?) would not make a statement about the 3-month "relationship" with MM after their interview with her and further investigation, if they were indeed found to be just true platonic friends, buddies, etc. They would not have made such a statement in the media. They aren't stupid. They knew what people would read into that "relationship" information released. Did we read about all other gal "friends" that LE interviewed? Nope. So, in their minds, after investigation, this was a relationship out of the norm and not innocent.

Same with the financial statement. They wouldn't release that statement if the financial records couldn't be construed as showing some strain. Throwing out inaccurate facts could harm them down the road. Why would they state such if there wasn't some truth to it? Now, what they and the general public may consider as financial difficulties could be different. That I could see.

All the above JMO.

 

[raisincharlie]

Well having lost 2 myself I can tell you it is not easy to get over at all. It surprises me how quickly she got pregnant again actually. I don't know if thats relevant, just an observation. As a woman with many close girlfriends I suspect that Michelle probably found out about Jason and Michelle Money. Woman gossip and if one of my friends was sleeping with my husband I know 2 things. First that friend would confide in someone because thats what we women do. LOL Second that mutual friend would feel like they were stuck in the middle and eventually she would tell me because I have a right to know. So, I do believe MY knew about the affair. I think it's safe to say she would also be very aware of their financial situation which most certainly would be stressful. We also heard that she was upset with Jason about the California trip too, for several reasons I would imagine. Having lost a baby and then quickly gotten pregnant again would be a hormonal nightmare IMO. Then all this other stuff happens and I absolutely can understand feeling the need to talk to someone about all these things. I think Michelle was under a great deal of stress and probably very emotional at the time of the murder.

I would definitely agree. If one takes the news reports we do have and extracts the information relating to events before her murder and things found out afterwards - the list of stressors is long and not difficult to either see or understand. No rocket science involved.

 

[scandi]

Me too Sami. I think he and his wife are going to do anything they can to assist the Young family if indeed Jy is arrested and charged with murder. That tells me he has a good heart and I like the change in him I see already!

Oh, where are those darn beer mugs when you want 'em LOL

I remember a post you wrote Sami which said the reason a judge could override patient privlege {sp ] is if there was something that would show the possibility of physical harm to someone.

I think Michelle told the therapist about a threat on her life from someone, and she was scared to death it might come true and didn't know how to address the problem. LE won't do anything to protect someone from a threat, only from an overt act. And a court order to restrain is worthless when that threat turns into a person who starts to strangle you!

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Well having lost 2 myself I can tell you it is not easy to get over at all. It surprises me how quickly she got pregnant again actually. I don't know if thats relevant, just an observation. As a woman with many close girlfriends I suspect that Michelle probably found out about Jason and Michelle Money. Woman gossip and if one of my friends was sleeping with my husband I know 2 things. First that friend would confide in someone because thats what we women do. LOL Second that mutual friend would feel like they were stuck in the middle and eventually she would tell me because I have a right to know. So, I do believe MY knew about the affair. I think it's safe to say she would also be very aware of their financial situation which most certainly would be stressful. We also heard that she was upset with Jason about the California trip too, for several reasons I would imagine. Having lost a baby and then quickly gotten pregnant again would be a hormonal nightmare IMO. Then all this other stuff happens and I absolutely can understand feeling the need to talk to someone about all these things. I think Michelle was under a great deal of stress and probably very emotional at the time of the murder.

I'm sorry to hear about your losses. I cannot even fathom. To me, it's not unreasonable to think that MY was feeling waves of just all kinds of feelings and emotions. It'd be interesting to know how this latest pregnancy came about - did she even want to become pregnant, or was it Jason wanting it more, or was it just unplanned? Just knowing me, I think I'd need a much longer period of time after losing one child, to find myself happy about another one. I think I'd need more time to go through the grieving process. I'm sure every female is different. And...thinking about something Jake said. He said JY and the Young family were excited about the upcoming baby boy. What if Michelle wasn't feeling that excitement? That could cause an emotional riff, don't you think? Kinda like the pressure to be expected to be happy, when maybe she wasn't? She could have felt anger, loss, fear, guilt, etcc...and not feeling the freedom to verbalize these inner feelings to someone she should be able to confide in, her hubby? That's just me going off on a hypothetical, as I have no idea if that's how she was feeling. I could be completely off base, and she could have been thrilled with the upcoming baby.

 

[scandi]

Well having lost 2 myself I can tell you it is not easy to get over at all. It surprises me how quickly she got pregnant again actually. I don't know if thats relevant, just an observation. As a woman with many close girlfriends I suspect that Michelle probably found out about Jason and Michelle Money. Woman gossip and if one of my friends was sleeping with my husband I know 2 things. First that friend would confide in someone because thats what we women do. LOL Second that mutual friend would feel like they were stuck in the middle and eventually she would tell me because I have a right to know. So, I do believe MY knew about the affair. I think it's safe to say she would also be very aware of their financial situation which most certainly would be stressful. We also heard that she was upset with Jason about the California trip too, for several reasons I would imagine. Having lost a baby and then quickly gotten pregnant again would be a hormonal nightmare IMO. Then all this other stuff happens and I absolutely can understand feeling the need to talk to someone about all these things. I think Michelle was under a great deal of stress and probably very emotional at the time of the murder.

Hi FactsareFacts, I am sorry to hear you lost your babies. I do think your observation is right on, in fact I have often thought about how Michelle was pretty much pregnant all of last year. It says mountains to me.

Scandi

 

[FactsareFacts]

I'm sorry to hear about your losses. I cannot even fathom. To me, it's not unreasonable to think that MY was feeling waves of just all kinds of feelings and emotions. It'd be interesting to know how this latest pregnancy came about - did she even want to become pregnant, or was it Jason wanting it more, or was it just unplanned? Just knowing me, I think I'd need a much longer period of time after losing one child, to find myself happy about another one. I think I'd need more time to go through the grieving process. I'm sure every female is different. And...thinking about something Jake said. He said JY and the Young family were excited about the upcoming baby boy. What if Michelle wasn't feeling that excitement? That could cause an emotional riff, don't you think? Kinda like the pressure to be expected to be happy, when maybe she wasn't? She could have felt anger, loss, fear, guilt, etcc...and not feeling the freedom to verbalize this inner feelings to someone she should be able to confide in, her hubby? That's just me going off on a hypothetical, as I have no idea if that's how she was feeling. I could be completely off base, and she could have been thrilled with the upcoming baby.

Your not off base at all IMO. For me it felt like I was alone when I lost both babies. Others felt bad of course but to them I had misscarried, to me I lost a child, whether I had given birth or not. I had a child moving inside me and only I felt the loss of that life I carried. IMO Michelle had really no time to grieve for the death of that child before she was carrying another. I suspect she also had some fear she could lose this one just as she did the previous one. I sure did, but I didn't share that fear with anyone but hubby.