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[vicktor]

Do you think he knew the Rs? Do you think he had prior knowledge of the yard and house?

And finally, wouldn't he be fearful of spending so much time in a house where the parents were present, on Christmas night?

IMO

Hi, Nemehiah. No, I don't think he knew the Ramseys, other than having seen JB in the yard. Reasons: So many of John's acquaintances, friends, workers on the house, people at Access were checked that it seems very unlikely that someone who knew John would leave a long note in their handwriting. Plus, the perp had no way of knowing whether he left evidence that could be traced back to him, in addition to handwriting, if the police focused on him, and he had no alibi. It would be foolish and too risky.

IMO, he was probably familiar with their house, in that he could have walked by at times, down the alley. Its possible he might have looked for a way to get in some night after people would be in bed. I doubt if he tried to break in.

It seems that the fear of detection would eventually get to him. I'd guess that after doing lots of illegal things his fear had subsided to the point he was willing to risk it. It looks like he put the suitcase under the window to make an emergency exit easier, and he probably practiced with it. He probably hid out in the furnace room. IMO, he had a stun gun which would have been a good equalizer if he encountered anyone.

 

[sissi]

Victor,I think you have it!
A fantasy murderer,but who was he?
A while back,when the website "Wideawake" was up,it seemed to me that
a person could be aquainted with this webmaster and his works,and use the material available within this site to build the fantasy. I thought for awhile it was "him",he fit,he had the stun gun,the sharpies,hiking boots,the ultraviolent writings ,had even written "barbie the ultimate f'" He had a picture of a beheaded Barbie on a dish with blood dripping,pictures of barbie in bondage,and worse. BUT...it wasn't him,he was checked out and cleared. BUT.....the BPD missed an opportunity to learn about his aquaintances by not taking his harddrive. How much of a coincidence CAN IT be that a guy that lived three blocks from the Ramseys was so into bondage,sexual deviance,and barbie killing? His friends names were too generic for me to check them out,I knew of a Robin,a Jason,Kim,Paul,but the last names were as common as smith and too difficult to track down on the internet .(by tracking I refer to spotting on groups,as I spotted him..on serial killer forums,crime forums...etc.) I did find a Jason,and read his poetry..one interesting one where he pretended he was a beautiful blonde little girl in a tiarra,a beauty....later shaking the hand of the fallen rich man at the funeral....but noooo..I couldn't get farther or deeper and quite honestly the name could have produced 100 hits in the USA (or more) it didn't have to be the "jason" I was looking for.The others were the same,an off broadway actor,a girl friend ,and then nothing on another..all of which could have been "off".
Through these last 7 years,I can't shake the idea of the connection between "wideawake " and the crime, because the site provided a recipe for the murder ,a recipe just waiting for the taking by a fantasy type of murderer.
IMO

 

[Misty]

Jameson writes: “Observant parents often see signs of abuse in their own children.
Emotional - The child may become sullen or fearful- change in attitude. The child becomes less than enthusiastic about being with the person who is physically hurting them.
And there are the physical symptoms. A child who has been sexually assaulted - - and I am talking about something entering the vagina - - will not walk the same - - it hurts! and it shows!
Physical evidence - - like blood in the panties of a little girl - that is a clear indication of a big problem.”

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While the above symptoms may occur, it is not 100% certain that you will see these signs in an abused child. What Jameson and the others claiming no prior child abuse don’t understand is that wounds, even INTERNAL WOUNDS, heal. This means that a child can be abused over a period of time and have the injuries heal, leaving no “telltale” traces of the abuse. Certainly, if a child becomes pregnant and contracts some sexually transmitted disease this is clear indication; however, child abuse and child abusers is often times not that certain. However, in JBR's case, we have some indication of prior abuse -- "erosion" and "opening at 1 cm x 1 cm."

It is true that hymens vary in appearance and JonBenet’s hymen was not torn. As they should know, injuries from hymens can heal and over time it may be impossible to tell whether sexual abuse had taken place. This does not, however, exclude the possibility of prior sexual abuse.

We still have an opening measured at 1 cm x 1 cm. While there is question about normal size, for a 6 year old, this does appear to be abnormal.
“Genital Findings
High-probability findings specific to the genitalia include the following:
--vaginal opening greater than 5 mm”
http://www.calib.com/nccanch/pubs/usermanuals/sexabuse/indicate.cfm

Now: “All of the sections contain vascular congestion and focal (IN SOME SPOTS) interstitial (WALLS OF THE VAGINA) chronic inflammation. The smallest piece of tissue, from the 7:00 position of the vaginal wall/hymen, contains epithelial (SURFACE) erosion (with underlying capillary congestion. A small number of red blood cells is presented on the eroded surface, as is birefringent foreign material. Acute inflammatory infiltrate is not seen.”

Firstly, the injury at the 7:00 position indicates digital (or some object) penetration, not penile. Since birefringent foreign material was found, it has been speculated that the paintbrush was used the night she was killed.

Vascular congestion means more than normal amount of blood in the vessels caused by an injury. At the 7:00 position, cells had eroded (worn away). Unless this was a brutal attack and since the hymen was not torn, the molestation was not particularly brutal (although and I always preface this by saying any molestation is wrong), the erosion of the cells occurred over a period of time.

What causes erosion? “Erosion is the eating away or wearing away of the surface layer of a tissue, usually because of physical abrasion or inflammatory processes.” – Medline Ency. “A place where surface tissue has gradually been destroyed.”
-also-
“- The action of of gradually destroying a substrate (medical terminology may refer to tissue or tooth enamel) by chemical or physical means.” http://212.187.155.84/pass_06june/subdirectories_for_search/Glossary&References_Cont

This erosive process did not happen over night. Some will argue this is a result of bubble bath, infection from antibiotics, poor toiling hygiene; however, when you couple this with hymenal opening of "1 cm x 1 cm," it add significant weight to the argument of prior abuse.

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In actuality, the injuries that JBR sustained the night this "intruder" sadistically molested, tortured and killed her, further dispel the this myth of a sadistic, pedophile kidnapper murderer.

 

[Spade]

"In August, the Boulder police department contacted Dr. John McCann, one of the nation’s leading experts on child sexual abuse. McCann had agreed to assist the police department in determining if JonBenet had been a victim of sexual abuse during or before her murder. McCann was sent the autopsy report and photos. According to McCann, examination findings that indicate chronic sexual abuse include the thickness of the rim of the hymen, irregularity of the edge of the hymen, the width or narrowness of the wall of the hymen, and exposure of structures of the vagina normally covered by the hymen. His report stated that there was evidence of prior hymeneal trauma as all of these criteria were seen in the post mortem examination of JonBenet.

There was a three dimensional thickening from inside to outside on the inferior hymeneal rim with a bruise apparent on the external surface of the hymen and a narrowing of the hymeneal rim from the edge of the hymen to where it attaches to the muscular portion of the vaginal openings. At the narrowing area, there appeared to be very little if any hymen present. There was also exposure of the vaginal rugae, a structure of the vagina which is normally covered by an intact hymen. The hymeneal orifice measured one centimeter which is abnormal or unusual for this particular age group and is further evidence of prior sexual abuse with a more recent injury as shown by the bruised area on the inferior hymeneal rim. A generalized increase in redness of the tissues of the vestibule was apparent, and small red flecks of blood were visible around the perineum and the external surface of the genitalia. It was his opinion that the injury appeared to have been caused by a relatively small, very firm object which, due to the area of bruising, had made very forceful contact not only with the hymen, but also with the tissues surrounding the hymen. McCann believed that the object was forcefully jabbed in – not just shoved in. Although the bruised area would indicate something about the size of a finger nail, he did not believe it was a finger, because of the well demarcated edges of the bruise indicating an object much firmer than a finger. McCann was not able to see any fresh tears of the hymen which he thought might be due to the lack of detail in the photographs. It was unclear where the blood on the perineum originated, since there were no lacerations visible in these photos. McCann also noted that in children of this age group the labia, or vaginal lips, remain closed until literally manually separated. In order for there to be an injury to the hymen without injuring the labia, the labia would have to be manually separated before the object was inserted. The examination also indicated that the assault was done while the child was still alive because of the redness in the surrounding tissue and blood in the area.

McCann stated that this injury would have been very painful
because the area of the injury as indicated by the bruise was at the base of the hymen were most of the nerve endings are located. Such an injury would have caused a six year old child to scream or yell. The doctor also stated that he assumed the object did not have jagged edges because there were no evidence of tears in the bruised area.

McCann also noted that there appeared to be a bruise on the inner right thigh which he though might represent a thumb imprint from forcing the legs apart.

Dr. McCann explained the term "chronic abuse" meant only that it was "repeated", but that the number of incidents could not be determined. In the case of JonBenet, the doctor could only say that there was evidence of “prior abuse". The examination results were evidence that there was at least one prior penetration of the vagina through the hymeneal membrane. The change in the hymeneal structure is due to healing from a prior penetration. However, it was not possible to determine the number of incidents nor over what period of time. Because the prior injury had healed, any other incidents of abuse probably were more than 10 days prior.

In discussing perpetrators of sexual abuse on children, McCann stated that the majority of children this age are molested by someone with whom they have close contact most commonly family members. He explained that if the molester is a stranger or someone else with whom the child is not close, the child will usually tell someone or psychological problems appear which create behavior changes observed by their parents. Common symptoms would be eating disorders, nightmares or a variety of behaviors indicating that something is bothering them. Commencement or increased bedwetting is also commonly seen in sexually abused children. When asked about JonBenet's sexualized behavior during her pageant performances, McCann said that this was not necessarily a sign of abuse, since this was taught behavior for the pageants. Also, with children's exposure to sexually explicit television programs, sexualized behavior is no longer considered to be an indication of possible sexual abuse.

Dr. Andrew Sirotnack from Children’s Hospital in Denver was also asked to review the medical findings and autopsy photographs. He confirmed McCann's determination of acute vaginal trauma during the assault on JonBenet, but He had not yet concluded that there was chronic abuse. Sirotnack had examined over 2,500 abused children during his career at Children's Hospital and had testified in approximately 50 - 100 criminal trials regarding sexual abuse on children.

In September 1997, the police department held a meeting with McCann and three other child sexual abuse experts to go over their opinions based on their review of the autopsy results. Dr. Virginia Rau of Dade County, Florida stated that she observed fresh hymeneal trauma on JonBenet and chronic inflammation that was not related to any urination issues. Dr. Rau said, “In my heart, this is chronic abuse,” but feared that a defense argument would be made that this was only evidence of masturbation.

Also agreeing with the findings of both McCann and Rau was Dr. Jim Monteleone of St. Louis. Dr. Richard Krugman, Dean of the University of Colorado Medical School, an expert first contacted for assistance in the Ramsey case by the D.A.’s office, was the most adamant supporter of the finding of chronic sexual abuse. He felt that in considering the past and present injuries to the hymen that the bedwetting/soiling took on enormous significance. He believed that this homicide was an indecent of “toilet rage” and subsequent cover up. He told the group of experts and detectives about another Colorado case where both parents had been at home and both were charged. “The JonBenet case is a text book example of toileting abuse rage," Krugman stated.

All of the experts agreed that there was no way any of the recent or chronic abuse damage to the genitalia of the child was the result of masturbation."

 

[Barbara]

Thanks for posting this Spade. Very interesting and informative.

Poor baby!

 

[vicktor]

The pineapple in JonBenet's small intestine, Burke's fingerprints on the bowl, and the empty glass with a spent tea bag in it, eliminates the possibility of an intruder having committed this crime. Even John Ramsey admits that JonBenet would NEVER have sat down and snacked on pineapple with an intruder.

JMO

These facts all appear that they could be true, except I don't see how this would necessarily exclude an intruder. So Burke/ &John were joined by JB sometime before they went to bed and had a snack. How does that exclude an intruder? I agree that it fits well with your theory, and would demonstrate that for some reason the Ramseys had not been straightforward about JB being up. But what about Burke's friend and Nathan Inouye also being there? What about Burkes statements when he was questioned by police on the 26th at the Whites, for an extended time. Under questioning, did he repeat the standard line of :got home at 930, JB was asleep went to bed, he and his Dad played with his garage toy for awhile, went to bed, awoke, but didn't get up until his parents came in the room to get him... for several hours?

 

[Barbara]

These facts all appear that they could be true, except I don't see how this would necessarily exclude an intruder. So Burke/ &John were joined by JB sometime before they went to bed and had a snack. How does that exclude an intruder?

Literally taken, it does not exclude an intruder, but in the face of the statements given, including Burke's statement that they didn't do that and JB was sleeping and put directly to bed, it would appear that there must be a reason to lie about the events.

And THAT, IMO, excludes the intruder.

 

[Spade]

In January, 1997, the Boulder police investigation team had met in Quantico, Virginia with the Critical Incident Response Group of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. A follow up consultation was scheduled for September 9. Special agents from the FBI's Child Abduction and Serial Killer Unit ("CASKU"), a member of the Profiling and Behavioral Assessment unit ("PBAQ), two lab technicians, and a forensic pathologist met with Hofstrom and Demuth from the D.A.'s office, Detectives. Thomas, Trujillo and Wickman and other key detectives now assigned to the Ramsey investigation team. CASKU provides immediate operation assistance to federal, state and local law enforcement agencies involved in investigations of child abduction and serial homicide. The opinion expressed by the CASKU team at the first meeting was that the kidnapping story was not credible based upon the utter illogic of an intruder’s actions and behavior.

They also opined that the ransom note had a ridiculous content, but a complimentary tone. They pointed out that the staging aspects of the crime and the behavior of the parents pointed to a familial involvement.

Another aspect of the death scene which indicated familial involvement was the finding of the Barbie nightgown with JonBenet’s body. Grandmother Nedra had mentioned in her interview that this nightgown was know to be one of JonBenet’s favorite items and she took it with her to all the pageants. According to the FBI, “Parental murders are often trademarked in their staging aspects and care for the victim, and placing a child’s item of affinity with the victim’s body is consistent with a parental homicide.”

 

[Britt]

Literally taken, it does not exclude an intruder, but in the face of the statements given, including Burke's statement that they didn't do that and JB was sleeping and put directly to bed, it would appear that there must be a reason to lie about the events.

And THAT, IMO, excludes the intrucer.

Right, Barbara. Innocent people don't need to lie.

But IMO it wasn't Burke they covered for.

Finally, the Valium she had taken made Patsy drowsy. She fell asleep again on the living room floor. Two hours later she was awake again, sobbing, asking for Burke, asking if all the doors and windows were locked. PMPT, paperback, p. 32.

Granted, the above could very well have been Performance Art (e.g. the doors and windows thing), but if sincere and if this description is accurate, why did she ask for Burke? IMO that doesn't seem to suggest that Burke was involved. If he were, seems to me Patsy wouldn't be asking for him at that particular time.

And, oh yeah, why didn't she ask for John?

 

[BlueCrab]

JonBenets hymen was not torn.

Misty,

I agree with most of what you say, except about the hymen. The autopsy report states that JonBenet's hymen was GONE, except for a portion at the rim. John Meyer said:

"The hymen itself is REPRESENTED by a rim of mucosal tissue extending clockwise between the 2 and 10:00 positions."

Also, please note there were acute AND chronic injuries at the same 7:00 position to the wall of the vagina. This strongly suggests the same person who inflicted the acute injuries (on the night of the murder) also inflicted the chronic injuries (about two days prior to the murder).

This evidence points to a family member or someone close to the family who would have easy access to JonBenet and repetitive opportunities to sexually penetrate her.

JMO

 

[sissi]

Misty,your logic is good,if indeed the findings you suggest are accurate,we would have to eliminate the possibility of murder by stalker/stranger.
It would be difficult to take it outside the normal boundary of possibility to think she had been victimized by not only the murderer but another within days of the murder.
This would eliminate the helgoth/oliva/mcelroy scenarios entirely.
However to believe this,we have to believe in the findings, of pre-existing molestation demonstrated by chronic inflamation and the enlarged vaginal opening as not being an acute presentation.
As in the case of the ransom note,we have dueling experts concerning this.
If we find one,that can trump all others and state this as the only possibility,then our suspect list narrows considerably. However it does not,necessarily limit the suspect pool to family. There would be others with access to the child ,without the parents present ,during the days and weeks before the murder. Under consideration would be all parents,friends,babysitters,housekeepers,gardeners,neighbors,chauffeurs,pageant directors,photographers,anyone who was in the company of Jonbenet without her Mom or Dad present,if for only 10 minutes.
IMO

 

[Toltec]

Who gives a flying hoot about the *advertiser censored*...and why bring hir filth to this forum???!!!

John Ramsey talks to Lou Smit about his wife the murderer:

LS: You must have a mental picture of the type of person this is?

JR: My first instinct is, it was a man. Because of the similarities apparently, in Patsy's handwriting, I wondered if it was a woman. The ransom note seemed childish, in terms of a young person. I think this person was very sick or trying to be very clever..You know, if they really wanted to do this, hurt us and walk away, why did they go to the trouble of leaving a ransom note...?

NE page 285

I got to re-reading the NE book and since have become more convinced that Patsy wrote the ransom note...and staged the crime.

I am beginning to believe that it was Burke who served JonBenet pineapple. If you look at the crime scene photos of the kitchen...the drawer where the spoons were kept is slightly open. Kids do not close drawers all the way. Patsy and Burke's prints were on the bowl and I believe Burke was the last person to touch the bowl.

As far as the flashlight is concerned...I believe John took it out of the drawer when he left for the airport that Christmas afternoon. When he got back he placed it on the kitchen counter. I now believe something happened between Burke and JonBenet downstairs and Burke picks up the flashlite and bashes JonBenet in the head. I believe Patsy took over from there.

I've got so many different theories floating around my head...but I do know this much...one or more of the Ramseys killed JonBenet.

This is my opinion only based on evidence and interviews.

 

[Britt]

I am beginning to believe that it was Burke who served JonBenet pineapple. If you look at the crime scene photos of the kitchen...the drawer where the spoons were kept is slightly open. Kids do not close drawers all the way.

True, but remember the upstairs cupboard was also open with the pullup bag hanging out, and a paring knife, which might've come from that kitchen drawer, was found on the upstairs counter. IMO Patsy could've been responsible for all of the above.

 

[Toltec]

As far as the pullups go, I believe Patsy when she said she pulled some out for the cruise. She was packing that night.

It is possible that Patsy did not close the drawer all the way...and that is the drawer where the spoons were kept according to Patsy.

 

[Misty]

Vicktor says: " He wanted to have some fun. He tied her wrists with cord, then applied the garotte. It lasted until she screamed or attempted to get away, then he hit her with a heavy object. "

Okay, if JonBenet struggled, where are the defense injuries? Where are the internal injuries on her neck which would have occurred had JonBenet been struggling? Where are the defense injuries on JonBenet's body -- anywhere on her body? And, if her wrists were securely tied, where on the marks on her wrists from the cord?

 

[Misty]

Misty,your logic is good,if indeed the findings you suggest are accurate,we would have to eliminate the possibility of murder by stalker/stranger.
It would be difficult to take it outside the normal boundary of possibility to think she had been victimized by not only the murderer but another within days of the murder.
This would eliminate the helgoth/oliva/mcelroy scenarios entirely.
However to believe this,we have to believe in the findings, of pre-existing molestation demonstrated by chronic inflamation and the enlarged vaginal opening as not being an acute presentation.
As in the case of the ransom note,we have dueling experts concerning this.
If we find one,that can trump all others and state this as the only possibility,then our suspect list narrows considerably. However it does not,necessarily limit the suspect pool to family. There would be others with access to the child ,without the parents present ,during the days and weeks before the murder. Under consideration would be all parents,friends,babysitters,housekeepers,gardeners,neighbors,chauffeurs,pageant directors,photographers,anyone who was in the company of Jonbenet without her Mom or Dad present,if for only 10 minutes.
IMO

Sissi,
I agree that the evidence can point both ways. That unknown DNA is a real bite in the arse for the Ramsey did it team. It can simply be explained as contamination, or DNA from someone totally unrelated to the crime, but because it hasn't been matched to anyone, it becomes evidence going toward the side of the intruder theorists.

JonBenet did not struggle when the garotte was applied. She was unconscious and this is evidenced by the autopsy -- facts. There is no internal injuries to her neck, the hyoid bone is not broken, no tissue trauma that would indicate struggling while the garotte was around her neck.

The furrow from the ligature itself indicates that the garotte we see on the autopsy reports is not what was used to strangle JonBenet. There are two ways to garotte someone with that type of garotte: 1. pull the garotte tight causing pressure to the front of her neck and thereby lifting the cord from the back of her neck or 2. twisting the cord tightly, which would cause the knot to dig into her neck. In the autopsy photos we have, a furrow that is defined as "a deep furrow that encircles the entire neck." There are no impression from the knot digging in or from the cord being lifted from her neck.

The tape and the wrist cords were placed on JonBenet after she was murdered. The cords are lose, the tape has an impression of her lips. Had she been awake, she would have been struggling to get the tape off and we would see that. We don't.

There is evidence of Patsy's jacket fibers found in the knot of the garotte, in the paint tote -- in other words, littered through the crime scene. Yes, I understand that transfer takes place; however, in the knot of the garotte? Impossible.

Blood -- another misconception spun by the Ramsey dream team. When they talk about the little amount of bleeding, they are NOT taking into consideration that there are THREE areas of bleeding.
1. 7 x 4 inch scalp hemorrhage
2. 7-8 cc subdural hemorrhage
3. Thin film of subarachnoid hemorrhage overly the ENTIRE right cerebral hemiphere.

Ransom note -- bogus -- you know it; I know it. Kidnappers would take the ransom dead or alive. References to John being comfortable, the "kidnapper" lrespecting him. Give me a break.

Hymen is intact. Not all hymens are REPRESENTED in the same way. This pedophile didn't even break her hymen when he molested her. This does not reflect any person who wanted to kidnap a child for sexual reasons. The acute injuries inflicted is staging -- to cover up PRIOR abuse.
AND the EROSION it just doesn't occur over night. Whomever molested her prior to her killing also inflicted the acute injuries that night.

And, the real grand puma -- this SADISTIC PEDOPHILE INTRUDER KIDNAPPER didn't even take her out of the house. He gently molests her and then garottes and whacks her on the head. Child abduction is just that -- they take the child.

Helgoth has been cleared and Kenady, the one who seems to be implying Helgoth should be a suspect has a list of criminal charges a mile long INCUDING CHILD MOLESTATION. I have his records, all 26 or 27 of them. He is not credible.

 

[Misty]

Misty,

I agree with most of what you say, except about the hymen. The autopsy report states that JonBenet's hymen was GONE, except for a portion at the rim. John Meyer said:

"The hymen itself is REPRESENTED by a rim of mucosal tissue extending clockwise between the 2 and 10:00 positions."

Also, please note there were acute AND chronic injuries at the same 7:00 position to the wall of the vagina. This strongly suggests the same person who inflicted the acute injuries (on the night of the murder) also inflicted the chronic injuries (about two days prior to the murder).

This evidence points to a family member or someone close to the family who would have easy access to JonBenet and repetitive opportunities to sexually penetrate her.

JMO

I agree that whomever molested her prior to her murder also inflicted the acute injuries; however, her hymen was intact. Not all hymens are represented the same way.

 

[Nehemiah]

Sissi,Helgoth has been cleared and Kenady, the one who seems to be implying Helgoth should be a suspect has a list of criminal charges a mile long INCUDING CHILD MOLESTATION. I have his records, all 26 or 27 of them. He is not credible.

Perhaps you will validate my question that I have asked over and over... Per the Ramsey camp, there is valid DNA. This would also mean that formerly investigated "intruders" are now exonerated? Right? So all this spin about Helgoth et al is just spin?

Thanks.

 

[BlueCrab]

I agree that whomever molested her prior to her murder also inflicted the acute injuries; however, her hymen was intact. Not all hymens are represented the same way.

Misty,

The hymen wasn't there. The autopsy report says the hymen is REPRESENTED by a "rim" of tissue between the 2 and 10 o'clock positions. That partial rim is all that remained of the original hymen.

JMO

 

[Misty]

Misty,

The hymen wasn't there. The autopsy report says the hymen is REPRESENTED by a "rim" of tissue between the 2 and 10 o'clock positions. That partial rim is all that remained of the original hymen.

JMO

Hi Bluecrab,

I use to think the same thing – that the hymen was torn, but it’s not.

Note 3: The anterior hymenal rim may be very slim or absent as a normal variant; this was the case with JonBenet Ramsey and the pathologist recognized it as normal.http://www.pathguy.com/abuse.htm


“Although there is a fair amount of variability among girl children in the extent, shape, and other characteristics of humens, the complete absence of or a tear in the humen of a young girl is indicative of sexual abuse.
http://www.calib.com/nccanch/pubs/usermanuals/sexabuse/sexabuse.pdf


A non-estrogenized hymen is often crescent shaped with little or not tissue between 10 and 2 o’clock and may have bumps or tags. Other normal findings
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach....pdf+hymen+represented+by+rim+of+tissue&hl=en