Misty C #6

[kiki the parrot]

I'm thinking Misty did read well enough to survive in this world. Usually in persons with learning disabilities they either excel in reading or math, but not both. So she could write her name and fill in the blanks, but she does need remedial reading therapy.

As for the horrible language, in my experience that is the norm for people who exist on the level that Ron and Misty appeared to. The children are not protected from it and it is very commonplace. I have always thought this is a terrible example of people failing their innocent children. I'm sorry even one child in this world has to hear this language.

As to Kool Look pointing it out, I hadn't noticed till she did.

(snip) Agree 100% PGranny. I think the way children are spoken to, and in front of, speaks volumes re how much those children are valued. The obscenities, angry threats and inappropriate talk some children are subjected to is indicative of not simply poor adult-child boundaries, but isn't anything adults necessarily appreciate either.

Children are innocents and impressionable, adults and parents need to model some self-control, self-respect, and set an example of appropriate speech and conduct. Children who grow up hearing foul language think it's normal. Maybe some here believe it's perfectly fine to discuss drugs or other illicit, inappropriate topics around children too (ie Misty's complaining re bad $#!+ she bought) but children learn what they grow up with and if you value them, they will learn to value themselves. JMO

arrot:

 

[Scorpian]

When was the hypnosis done on MC?

 

[debs]

When was the hypnosis done on MC?

Around August 18 is when she sat down for it; it is questionable (by most experts) that she was successfully hypnotized.

 

[PorcineGranny]

I respectfully disagree with this entire statement. In addition to that I find it offensive to so widely generalize about what "level" people are on due to the language they use.

Ok, Imikant, I have noted your disagreement.

I still think though that people who use drugs, liquor etc to define their good time use language that I would rather not be around. Sadly, people are on levels, its a fact of life, of course there can be exceptions to every rule. I just can't think of one right off hand. JMO and sorry you find it offensive, some people think that what is true is offensive, but it is just the truth. Let me give an example of what I mean. Two men, one takes off his hat when he enters a building and sees a lady. The other keeps his on and goes about his business.
Two equal men on different levels.:twocents:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Personally, I agree and love your eg Pgranny. We are talking about levels of respect. Had Misty ever been taught any, or any self-worth, or given a vision for a brighter future she would know that not only she deserved better but that Haleigh and Junior did too. What troubles me is to think to what level someone w Misty's low self-esteem or self-worth might stoop to, what price she might be willing to pay, to feel "accepted." How much would Misty be willing to sacrifice and risk? What trade-offs or to what lengths would she go for the people who met those needs? JMO

arrot:

 

[cajun]

Misty was cursing Jr. and someone else's little boy at the bus stop in front of other parents? If so, she is not a little mousy teen who is scared of anyone at all.

That was a rumor and we can't discuss what's talked about in the pit up here.

 

[Brattigirle]

what does WTF mean written out?

It may mean "what the Flip".

 

[kiki the parrot]

Misty was cursing Jr. and someone else's little boy at the bus stop in front of other parents? If so, she is not a little mousy teen who is scared of anyone at all.

Here is the audio recording of interview w parent who describes how Misty treated the children at the bus stop on the last afternoon Haleigh was ever seen. Please judge for yourself, just thought you'd want to hear straight from the 'horse's mouth.' HTH

YouTube - Haleigh Cummings: Last Day Seen -3

arrot:

 

[Whisperer]

WOW! Thank you KIKI!..most informative. Doesn't appear to be a rumor when it is backed up by the person speaking.

That leads one to beleive RON would lie regardless of the facts staring right at him....amazing

His intimidating attitude seems to run constant. This is not the first time I have heard about how he speaks to people. Those around him walk on eggshells at all times, I am sure.

The fact that Misty is loose with the hand tells me she had approval from RC to smack the kids around. Something terrible may have happened to Haleigh at the hands of one of these two.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Kiki, your mailbox is always full...

This video gives you so much insight into Haleigh being missing and her homelife. I heard it when released, but not too much was discussed. It made me pause again to understand what both Haleigh and Jr. might have been subjected to. Going to go cry now.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I'm thinking Misty did read well enough to survive in this world. Usually in persons with learning disabilities they either excel in reading or math, but not both. So she could write her name and fill in the blanks, but she does need remedial reading therapy.

You may be thinking about autistic savant children, or children with Asperger's syndrome when you mention that LD children often excel at either math or science. Even without a diagnosis, Misty does not appear to fit in either of these categories.

Many LD children have difficulties learning anything print-based in school; some children have difficulty "translating" what they see or what they hear. Without having access to any testing done on Misty, there is absolutely no way anyone can know how any learning disability impacts her capacity to learn school subjects. There are some general things that can be said about her employment prospects. In some respects, the very early end of her education makes her nearly unemployable, as most minimum wage employers are looking for people either in high school or with a diploma or G.E.D. In addition, her history of drug use at such as early age may further impair both her cognition and the development of the pre-frontal cortex, which regulates judgment and doesn't fully develop until 23-25. While young people have fully matured in terms of height, sexual development, etc., their brains aren't done growing until their mid-twenties.

And of course, her own history of child abuse and neglect no doubt has an impact on all of these other circumstances, including her moral and emotional development. Misty has been emancipated by leaving home and marrying, but in terms of her personal development--emotionally, morally, and cognitively--she is not "mature."

Not all of the popular writing and press coverage has been careful and measured, of course, but there does seem to be agreement on a basic point: adolescents are not adults. They are on their way to becoming adults, but they are not fully there (or as this paper’s authors say, they are still partly "under construction"). And one aspect of their overall
development that is not fully complete—perhaps until the mid 20’s—is a stable, solid capacity to make complex judgments, weigh closely competing alternatives in a balanced and careful way, control impulses and take the longer view. An important reason that these so-called "executive functions" are not reliably in full effect in adolescence is that they spring from a particular area of the brain—the prefrontal cortex—which is one of the last areas of the brain to fully mature, as this paper details.

http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/resources/pdf/BRAIN.pdf.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Pittsburgh Girl, no, I am speaking in general of learning disabilites, she seems to fall in line with ADD, in my opinion. Add is often fraught with learning disabilities, making some think they lack intelligence but in truth, they are very intelligent but learn in very different ways. Just until recently there was no test for ADD, but I have been informed that some type of brain scan does now exist. I can't diagnose any LD, I'm just giving my opinion which is rather substantial on ADD.

 

[Whisperer]

I agree with you PorcineGranny concerning the possibility of ADD.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Pittsburgh Girl, no, I am speaking in general of learning disabilites, she seems to fall in line with ADD, in my opinion. Add is often fraught with learning disabilities, making some think they lack intelligence but in truth, they are very intelligent but learn in very different ways. Just until recently there was no test for ADD, but I have been informed that some type of brain scan does now exist. I can't diagnose any LD, I'm just giving my opinion which is rather substantial on ADD.

Hi, PC. ADD or ADHD requires extensive testing to diagnose; in my professional opinion, it is often over-diagnosed, applied to children with chaotic home lives who have difficulties in school for many reasons: lack of discipline, abuse from caretakers, poor nutrition, inadequate sleep, undiagnosed medical problems, or depression. Some kids with terrible home lives may be so far behind by the upper elementary grades (4th-6th) that there really is no catching up.

But there is no way even a doctor can diagnose ADD or ADHD without testing (although some schools, to their shame, send notes home asking parents to get the family doctor to put a troublesome kid on Ritalin.) I am not aware of the new brain scans (you are giving me homework, there) but most ADD/ADH kids are sent to specialists in this area. A friend of mine has a son with ADD who went through two days of testing before he got a diagnosis. You may well be right that Misty has one of these conditions or some other condition, and you are very, very correct in saying that many learning disabilities are not correlated with the usual forms of "intelligence" kids use in school. From what little I know of Misty's background, though, my guess is that her difficulties in school had multiple causes--some environmental, some physiological, some emotional.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

You may be thinking about autistic savant children, or children with Asperger's syndrome when you mention that LD children often excel at either math or science. Even without a diagnosis, Misty does not appear to fit in either of these categories.

Many LD children have difficulties learning anything print-based in school; some children have difficulty "translating" what they see or what they hear. Without having access to any testing done on Misty, there is absolutely no way anyone can know how any learning disability impacts her capacity to learn school subjects. There are some general things that can be said about her employment prospects. In some respects, the very early end of her education makes her nearly unemployable, as most minimum wage employers are looking for people either in high school or with a diploma or G.E.D. In addition, her history of drug use at such as early age may further impair both her cognition and the development of the pre-frontal cortex, which regulates judgment and doesn't fully develop until 23-25. While young people have fully matured in terms of height, sexual development, etc., their brains aren't done growing until their mid-twenties.

And of course, her own history of child abuse and neglect no doubt has an impact on all of these other circumstances, including her moral and emotional development. Misty has been emancipated by leaving home and marrying, but in terms of her personal development--emotionally, morally, and cognitively--she is not "mature."


http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/resources/pdf/BRAIN.pdf.

Having taught and worked with LD and ES kids...I have an observation....

the "tell" with Misty is really simple....If you observe her in non-Haleigh conversation--she is quite cohesive in her speech patterns...think of her bubbling engagement ring video...but when you observe her discussing Haleigh...well--her speech patterns are much different...Why the switch? The ability to turn it off and on suggests that a decent intellect....the question is in the why she turns it off and on...JMO

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Hi, PC. ADD or ADHD requires extensive testing to diagnose; in my professional opinion, it is often over-diagnosed, applied to children with chaotic home lives who have difficulties in school for many reasons: lack of discipline, abuse from caretakers, poor nutrition, inadequate sleep, undiagnosed medical problems, or depression. Some kids with terrible home lives may be so far behind by the upper elementary grades (4th-6th) that there really is no catching up.

But there is no way even a doctor can diagnose ADD or ADHD without testing (although some schools, to their shame, send notes home asking parents to get the family doctor to put a troublesome kid on Ritalin.) I am not aware of the new brain scans (you are giving me homework, there) but most ADD/ADH kids are sent to specialists in this area. A friend of mine has a son with ADD who went through two days of testing before he got a diagnosis. You may well be right that Misty has one of these conditions or some other condition, and you are very, very correct in saying that many learning disabilities are not correlated with the usual forms of "intelligence" kids use in school. From what little I know of Misty's background, though, my guess is that her difficulties in school had multiple causes--some environmental, some physiological, some emotional.

Neurological testing for ADD/ADHD has been around for decades....she may have it but I think she has a greater pathology that is more relevant...such as an axis II disorder...MOO

 

[FIND'HER]

Ive been following and reading on this case since the beginning. But I havent posted a whole lot until now. Was it ever confirmed that RC was at work the night haleigh we missing. Did he have to check off on some sort of Safety Check sheet before he used equipment,
Also, is it possible that someone knew MC was leaving the kids alone.
Her brother stated that he showed up that night at the house and no one was home. He said he banged on the door. Could he have been yelling and it woke Haleigh up and she opened the door for him. He left with her and whoever was with him. (as to get back at RC). How long after this was he locked up??

 

[OneLostGrl]

It may mean "what the Flip".

LOL yeah something like that!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Hi, PC. ADD or ADHD requires extensive testing to diagnose; in my professional opinion, it is often over-diagnosed, applied to children with chaotic home lives who have difficulties in school for many reasons: lack of discipline, abuse from caretakers, poor nutrition, inadequate sleep, undiagnosed medical problems, or depression. Some kids with terrible home lives may be so far behind by the upper elementary grades (4th-6th) that there really is no catching up.

But there is no way even a doctor can diagnose ADD or ADHD without testing (although some schools, to their shame, send notes home asking parents to get the family doctor to put a troublesome kid on Ritalin.) I am not aware of the new brain scans (you are giving me homework, there) but most ADD/ADH kids are sent to specialists in this area. A friend of mine has a son with ADD who went through two days of testing before he got a diagnosis. You may well be right that Misty has one of these conditions or some other condition, and you are very, very correct in saying that many learning disabilities are not correlated with the usual forms of "intelligence" kids use in school. From what little I know of Misty's background, though, my guess is that her difficulties in school had multiple causes--some environmental, some physiological, some emotional.

I totally agree that it is waaay over diagnosed!

The testing you speak of? Rarely happens. Many docs just send the questionnaires to the childs school.. the teachers answer the questions, send it back and the doc "grades" it using the "teacher" rating scale. If they meet the number requirements on that scale they get their very own bottle of speed.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Neurological testing for ADD/ADHD has been around for decades....she may have it but I think she has a greater pathology that is more relevant...such as an axis II disorder...MOO

I'm with ya!