MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #13 - Chauvin Trial Day 10

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This thread is to discuss the case of George Floyd. It is not a thread to discuss racism in general.

Unless your post relates to this case specifically, it is off topic and will be removed.
 
ADMIN NOTE:

Please stay on topic by discussing the trial without introducing the peripheral matters of riots and protests, BLM, all the extraneous chatter about racial inequities and other social justice issues.

We acknowledge, we understand how critical this trial is in relation to those issues, but we need to stay focused on this case and the trial itself. Yes there is overlap with those important issues, but the thread is specifically dedicated to discussing the George Floyd case and the Derek Chauvin trial and not all those other matters.

If members wish to generally speculate on how such issues may have influenced either the victim or the accused, that's fine, but please don't bring in specifics related to all those other matters and derail the thread with social justice issues that will not be resolved in this discussion.

Thanks !!
 
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To say simply that GF possibly had fear as a black man was left as reasonable speculation that doesn't warrant dissecting it any further. IF GF had that fear, surely we can all understand where it may have originated.

Quite a few posts had to be removed due to general back and forth bickering. There is no way to edit that many posts and be able to retain context so a lot of responses got removed in the process.
 
ADMIN NOTE:

Members have been previously advised not to trash the witnesses. They are not there for our enjoyment or entertainment and there is no need to publicly disparage them or belittle them.

Keep it classy folks !!

Thank you.
 
That the department’s highest-ranking officer was testifying against a team member immediately set the trial apart.

In fact, nine other officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have testified against Chauvin in the past week.

While Arradondo, the department’s first Black chief, has testified against an officer before (as assistant chief in a highly publicized 2019 case that involved the shooting of an unarmed woman), it’s rare for so many officers to take the stand against a onetime colleague.

“This is about how big this case is. The Mike Brown case, for example, was big, but it didn’t create this level of response. These officers don’t want to be associated with those pictures of Chauvin on Floyd’s neck.”

The Derek Chauvin trial won’t make cops start policing themselves
 
SouthAussie said:
That the department’s highest-ranking officer was testifying against a team member immediately set the trial apart.

In fact, nine other officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have testified against Chauvin in the past week.

While Arradondo, the department’s first Black chief, has testified against an officer before (as assistant chief in a highly publicized 2019 case that involved the shooting of an unarmed woman), it’s rare for so many officers to take the stand against a onetime colleague.

“This is about how big this case is. The Mike Brown case, for example, was big, but it didn’t create this level of response. These officers don’t want to be associated with those pictures of Chauvin on Floyd’s neck.”

The Derek Chauvin trial won’t make cops start policing themselves
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I was just asking my DH the other day, if DC was so bad, why was he still on the force? Just wonderin'. Capture.PNG
 
Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr Andrew Baker is expected to testify today in the murder trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin.

Dr Baker’s testimony will come a day after two major witnesses for the state testified in court on Thursday that Mr Floyd died when Mr Chauvin kneeled on his neck until he couldn’t breathe.

“Mr Floyd died of positional asphyxia, which is a fancy way of saying he died because he had no oxygen in his body,” said Dr Bill Smock, a forensic medical specialist and police training doctor.

Earlier in the day, Dr Martin Tobin, a lung specialist, reached a similar conclusion on the stand.
“Mr Floyd died from a low level of oxygen,” he said. “It’s like the left side is in a vice. It’s totally being totally pushed in, squeezed in from each side,” he added.

Medical examiner to testify in Derek Chauvin trial – follow live
 
Friday, April 9th:
*Trial continues (Day 10) (@ 9:15am CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/now 45) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 29 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:28pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed on 10/22/20 & reinstated on 3/11/21) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M with conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
Trial began on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection ran through March 23, 2021. Trial with opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case began on March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks. Jurors: 12 & 2 alternates (9 women & 5 men). Jurors will be sequestered during deliberations. None of the other officers will be testifying at Chauvin’s trial.
Jurors’ info reference post #6 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #4 - Chauvin Trial Day 1
These are the incidents that State wanted to bring into trial. Reference post #279 here:
George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 1
Judge ruled that 2 out of 8 prior incidents with Chauvin would be coming in as "he knew better" for #3 & modus operandi evidence for #5.
\See post #385 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #8 - Chauvin Trial Day 5
Bond conditions & court info 12/19/20 thru 3/23/21 & jury selection (3/9 thru 3/23) & Day 1 to 8 of Trial (3/29 to 4/7/21) reference post #15 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #12 - Chauvin Trial Day 9
4/8/21 Thursday, Trial Day 9: Each morning of the trial the judge has set aside 9am CT/10am ET for any motions/issues with attorneys. No motions hearing.
State’s witnesses: Blackwell on direct: 31) Dr. Martin Tobin, Specialist in Chicago with Hines VA Hospital & Loyola University for pulmonary medicine and critical care. Nelson on cross. And re-direct. And re-cross & re-direct. Eldridge on direct: 32) Dr. Daniel Isenschmid is a forensic toxicologist with NMS Labs in Pennsylvania. Nelson on cross. And re-direct. And re-cross. Blackwell on direct: 33) Dr. William Smock, an emergency medicine physician w/specialized training in forensic medicine from Louisville, KY. He has specialties are asphyxia & strangulation & a police surgeon. Cross by Nelson. And re-direct. And re-cross. Trial will reconvene at 9:15am on 4/9/21.
*Charged (7/22/20) with 6 counts of aiding & abetting taxes-false or fraudulent returns-filed with commissioner & 3 counts aiding & abetting taxes-failure to file return, report, document. – Omnibus hearing on 6/30/21.
 
DAY 10 TRIAL 4/9/2021
THURSDAY
(NOTE - SOME OUTLETS CALL IT DAY 22)

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WITNESSES SO FAR


Day 1
Opening Statements
1) 911 MPD Dispatcher Jena Scurry (not to be confused with 911 call taker or fire dispatcher)
2) Speedway gas station cashier All*sha Oy*er
3) MMA guy D*nald W*lliams (prosecution only today)

Day 2
3) witness - From Yesterday, defense follow up etc with MMA guy D*nald W*lliams - he called 911
4) witness - Darn**la - was minor at the time and now 18 - she did the "viral video" that the world has seen and had little cousin with her in green shirt
5) witness - Little cousin in green (not posting any info here at WS... due to minor)
6) witness - Aly*** who was wearing white shirt and blue jeans in group shot.. knows witness #4 from school and knows another person there she drove there with ( young female K**lyn at scene with large bag on shoulder who is #7 witness) She drove up after FG was on ground -took 3 videos.
7) witness - K**lyn (?sp) Arrived with #6 witness. Minor, 17 year old. Friend of #6 Aly***. She circled her photo of standing on the curb.. had large beige bag on shoulder next to MMA guy.
8) witness - 27 yo Lady firefighter/EMT GH who was in all black with white headband that day, with CPR training (wearing uniform in court) from Minneapolis who was on a walk who took video and did 911 call. She was 7th person to arrive on the curb with others watching . The judge chewed her out at the end of today for "arguing with the court" and arguing with attorneys.

Day 3
8) Genev*eve Hans*n cont'd - Firefighter/EMT (defense questions)
9) Christopher Mart*n 19 y/o who worked in CUP FOOD store and accepted the $20 bill.
10) Christopher B*lrey 45 y/o who pulled up behind GF's car, filmed a little then left the scene
11) Charles Mcmi*lian 61 y/o who was first on scene when at CUP food wearing black shirt with white square emblem - "You can't win"
12) Lt. James Rugel with IT responsibility for body and street cams.

Day 4
13) Courtn*y R*ss GF girlfriend since 2017
14) Seth Zach*ry Bravinder - Ambulance/EMS driver
15) Eerek Smith - Ambulance/EMS who did pulse and compressions
16) Jeremy Norton - Captain/EMT at firestation #17 who responded to scene/2nd scene
17) David Pleoger - MPD Sgt. who took call from dispatcher complaint, went to scene, went hospital.

Day 5 - Friday 4/2/2021
18) Sgt Jon Edwards - MPD who took over shift from Pleoger
19) Richard Zimmerman - MPD Investigator for critical incidents;prior to turning over to BCA upon death of GF

Day 6
20) Dr Bradford Langerfeld - Resident at hospital that pronounced GF
21) Chief Arrandondo - Head of MPD
22) Katie Blackwelll - was MPD Commander of Training Division at time of GF death

Day 7
23) Ker Yang - Sgt MPD Crisis Intervention Training Coordinator
24) Johny Mercil - Lt. MPD Oversees MPD Use of Force education who trained Chauvin
25) Nicole MacKenzie - MPD Medical Support Coordinator
26) Jody Stiger - Los Angeles Use of force expert

Day 8
26) Jody Stiger Cont'd Use of force expert from LAPD
27) Special Agent James Reyerson with Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension - BCA lead investigator
28) McKensie Anderson - BCA Forensic Scientist - DNA expert, scene lead
29) Breahna Giles - Forensic Scientist - pills
30) Susan Neith - Forensic Chemist - pills

Day 9
31) Dr. Martin Tobin - Physician in pulmonary and Critical Care
32) Daniel Isenschmid - NMS Laboratories
33) Dr. Bill Smock - Emergency Medicine Physician in forensic medicine / "Police Surgeon"

MOST RECENT MSM NEWS​

CNN - George Floyd's preexisting conditions and drug use had no impact on his death, doctor says - CNN

CNN- Bystander video shows "the moment the life goes out" of Floyd's body, pulmonary expert says

CNBC - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/08/cha...cal-expert-in-george-floyd-case-attorney.html

ABC News - Medical witnesses clash with defense over George Floyd's death

FOX News - Derek Chauvin trial: Lack of oxygen killed George Floyd, not drugs, expert says

Star Tribune - https://www.startribune.com/expert-...in-kept-knee-on-neck-for-31-2-minu/600043531/





BOOKMARK FOR TODAY TESTIMONY​





ETA: Request of other WS'ers if you see MSM or something for timeline/media thread that is KEY/etc throughout the day for archiving... please post at the link below as I just at this time cannot keep up with real time and only do MSM links the next am stuff. TIA.

MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION .

All the livestreams are marked within that thread day to day each morning, along with the previous 24 hour MSM's minimally re the trial the day before .
 
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I was just asking my DH the other day, if DC was so bad, why was he still on the force? Just wonderin'. View attachment 292019
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He was probably protected by the Union. It was the union president who argued that he would keep offering training for the knee neck restraints, even after the mayor banned it. Imo
 
SaguaroSpirit said:
I was just asking my DH the other day, if DC was so bad, why was he still on the force? Just wonderin'. View attachment 292019
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Someone here was saying the other day how desperate Minneapolis is for police officers. Which is why they hired shaky Noor - who killed Justine Damond. And why they are pushing through other hirings pretty quickly.
 
MsBetsy said:
He was probably protected by the Union. It was the union president who argued that he would keep offering training for the knee neck restraints, even after the mayor banned it. Imo
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Yes, there is a lot here about what you are saying ... written by a former mayor of Minneapolis, about how strong the police union is, how it refused to condemn George's death, and how it actively turned against this former mayor (to get him out of power) when their budget was cut.

I Was Mayor of Minneapolis. I Know Why Police Reforms Fail.
 
SaguaroSpirit said:
I was just asking my DH the other day, if DC was so bad, why was he still on the force? Just wonderin'. View attachment 292019
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Good question...bad reasons....very hard to remove a cop from the force...very hard especially with the police union backing them up. Often after a questionable act while on duty they are only put on admin. leave...still getting paid...in this case Chauvin was fired faster than anyone ever before him but it took some time for the others as I recall. It is just the system which assumes they have dangerous jobs and have to act quickly.
 
SouthAussie said:
Someone here was saying the other day how desperate Minneapolis is for police officers. Which is why they hired shaky Noor - who killed Justine Damond. And why they are pushing through other hirings pretty quickly.
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That might have been me and it is true..however Chauvin is "old school" cop and still many of them on the street. Years ago this would never have been in court...no video on this one...no body cam....Chauvin's word would have been accepted.
 
turaj said:
Good question...bad reasons....very hard to remove a cop from the force...very hard especially with the police union backing them up. Often after a questionable act while on duty they are only put on admin. leave...still getting paid...in this case Chauvin was fired faster than anyone ever before him but it took some time for the others as I recall. It is just the system which assumes they have dangerous jobs and have to act quickly.
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Actually they were all fired on the same date 5/26/20 per my notes.

Edited to add - Chauvin was arrested on 5/29 & the others on 6/3
 
*Bumping potential charges*

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609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings.
NOT APPLICABLE SO SNIPPED

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.
Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

RSBM as not applicable to this case

Article discussing charges at VERIFY: Derek Chauvin faces three charges in George Floyd's death | kare11.com



STATE’S AMENDED PROPOSED JURY INSTRUCTION REGARDING THIRD-DEGREE MURDER​

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgo...20-12646/ProposedJuryInstructions04012021.pdf

part of above

"The State hereby amends its proposed jury instruction regarding third-degree murder in light of the Minnesota Supreme Court’s decision on March 31, 2021 in State v. Coleman, No. A19-0708, __ N.W.2d __, 2021 WL 1201738 (Minn. Mar. 31, 2021). "
" It indicated that “[o]ne way to accurately state the law in a jury instruction” regarding third-degree murder “could be to use the phrase ‘but it must have been committed withan indifference to the loss of human life that the eminently dangerous act could cause.” Id. (emphasis in original). "

That approach, the Court explained, “would eliminate the unnecessary and confusing ‘reckless or wanton’ language, and removes the ‘with the knowledge that someone may be killed’ language that we have held materially misstates the required mental state.”

State remedy in the attached is

 
last stuff from yesterday

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - State's witness, police surgeon, Dr. Bill Smock testified on #GeorgeFloyd's cause of death: "Mr. Floyd died from positional asphyxia which is a fancy way of saying he died because he had no oxygen left in his body."

State witness, Dr. Smock said there was no evidence that #GeorgeFloyd had a "heart attack". Today, the county medical examiner who performed the autopsy is set to take the stand. He ruled Floyd died from Cardiopulmonary arrest.

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Blackwell asked Dr. Smock about a "heart attack", using that terminology. Did he ever ask him about "cardiopulmonary arrest"? My (very limited) understanding is the two are not the exact same thing.

link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson
 
We are live 10:16 am eastern............​


JUROR ISSUE???? Juror being brought in by the judge..


This will not be broadcasted per judge while Judge Cahill questions a juror - on seal at this moment
 
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