Identified! MN - St Paul, Childs & Warner Rd, WhtFem 16-30, UP4804, in Miss River, chipped teeth, clothes Jul'77 - Mary Jensen

[ivonne]

3520DFMN - Michelle Elaine Meiser
849UFMN

 

[theshadow45]

Mississippi River Jane Doe has been unidentified for 43 years today.

 

[carbuff]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Nothing at all new on her Namus page. Contact is the Ramsey County ME's office.

Michelle Meiser The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) is still the only exclusion.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Ramsey county Jane Doe is a new DDP case and is currently at lab for sequencing.

 

[djanga]

Carl Koppelman made a reconstruction of her

 

[CarlK90245]

I didn't have very good photos of the skull (or a good description of the Doe) to work from, so I don't know how accurate her overall look will turn out to be, but the thing to look for with this Jane Doe is her teeth. She has three very visible (and well-worn) chips in her upper front teeth, and the biting edges of her upper front teeth are very irregular. Any good smiling photos of this woman should show these chips.

 

[Tabirey]

I didn't have very good photos of the skull (or a good description of the Doe) to work from, so I don't know how accurate her overall look will turn out to be, but the thing to look for with this Jane Doe is her teeth. She has three very visible (and well-worn) chips in her upper front teeth, and the biting edges of her upper front teeth are very irregular. Any good smiling photos of this woman should show these chips.

Hey Carl!
I'm going this coming week to the Minnesota History Center. I'm going to see what I can dig up on Michelle Meiser (Who I understand has been excluded as this UID). But, I figure, if I'm already there researching one case, I might as well work on both!
Is there any information you can think of that I could try and dig up for this case that might be helpful?

 

[CarlK90245]

Hey Carl!
I'm going this coming week to the Minnesota History Center. I'm going to see what I can dig up on Michelle Meiser (Who I understand has been excluded as this UID). But, I figure, if I'm already there researching one case, I might as well work on both!
Is there any information you can think of that I could try and dig up for this case that might be helpful?

Not specifically. Any specific information regarding her hair, clothing, or ethnicity would be helpful. I wasn't provided much. All I had was one frontally oriented photo with a detached mandible that wasn't turned the same direction as the cranium Some strands of hair were visible, and they appeared to be light in color. But water had seeped into the casket over the years, and the water might have discolored the hair.

 

[Tuck]

Only specific information I could find regarding the clothing was that she was wearing a green red and blue striped front-button blouse with long sleeves, high-waisted blue beltless jeans and knee-length brown stockings, which is mostly already listed.

 

[summergirl1]

I'm from Minnesota and have read of this case and the similar one Lilydale Jane Doe 1976 (maybe there's a connection?) and thought they should be solved, so it is good to see them on the way to being solved through genetic genealogy. I hope they are solved soon.

 

[MadMcGoo]

According to DDP’s Facebook page:

The Ramsey Co Jane Doe 1977 case has been moved to "research in progress". That means we have enough data to move to our next phase of research. Ramsey Co Jane Doe 1977 - DNA Doe Project Cases

 

[Tabirey]

Unfortunately, I didn't have any luck finding more information on this lady.
So glad DDP now had her in research, as I belive this is the only way she's going to get her name back.

 

[theshadow45]

Mississippi River Jane Doe has been unidentified for 44 years today.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Very good highest match for Ramsey Jane Doe - hoping for a quick ID.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Looking at her GEDMatch numbers, I wonder if she's Jewish.

 

[JovanSrna]

Looking at her GEDMatch numbers, I wonder if she's Jewish.

@Susikatze would be familiar with such clues.

 

[djanga]

Looking at her GEDMatch numbers, I wonder if she's Jewish.

I am not a specialist, but I think she is not Jewish, although she could have had some percent of Jewish ancestry. According to her ethnicity pie chart she only has 9% of East Mediterranean admixture and around 80% of European admixture, her Oracle was not added, but her admixture is similar to anyone with predominantly European ancestry. But I can be wrong.

 

[Susikatze]

That is a fairly standard European profile. Ashkenazi Jewish profiles look very different.

 

[Susikatze]

Her high amount of matches means she comes from an endogamous population. Many Euroamerican populations share that characteristic and of course the Ashkenazi Jewish population is notorious for it.

But Ashkenazim do have many more matches with trees than what our JD has.

She is from an endogamous Euroamerican population, maybe German American.

 

[Susikatze]

And she is clearly not Michelle Meiser, who was Native American.