MatteasMama
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Justice is served. I hope Zeb and Victoria can have some peace.
And Bobbi Jo's mother as well.Justice is served. I hope Zeb and Victoria can have some peace.
Very good!I'm not here to debate the death penalty and I'm pretty sure it's against TOS anyways.
I do have an objection to how this whole campaign to save Lisa was presented- it turned her into such a paralyzed victim, taking wild claims she's making at face value even when they are directly contradicted by the evidence and her own testimony. Then it's being turned into a feminist cause even though the victim herself was a woman...and women are disproportionately less likely to end up on death row compared to men and even less likely to be executed. But it's a campaign of dishonesty. I just read an article that among other things claimed 2 different experts testified that Lisa "brought rape on herself"- in fact those experts said Lisa's MOM said this TO Lisa & talked about how damaging it would be for a child to hear- they actually HELPED her mitigation case-but the truth apparently doesn't matter when you're writing an anti death penalty plea. I think those campaigning to save Lisa are playing fast and loose with the truth & telling themselves the ends justify the means, that it's necessary to save her life- but all it does is repel people when the truth is distorted and these cynical tactics are used.
The execution of Lisa Montgomery has taken place. Reports by witnesses and media will be forthcoming.
I'm sad, but I'm glad it's over. Justice was served.
I do need to ask what we have learned from this case. I believed I learned more about myself. Lately it seems everything is a learning experience. It's not really "what happened", but how we, as human beings, deal with it. IMO
I was surprised to see the news this morning. I had thought she would receive a last minute stay of execution.U.S. Executes Lisa Montgomery for 2004 Murder
I was shocked to see it. I actually got chills--- but I do believe she deserved what she got--
I was surprised to see the news this morning. I had thought she would receive a last minute stay of execution.
Also surprised there was no apology to the family.
Thinking today of the girl growing up without a mother because of this woman’s heinous crime.
I'm not here to debate the death penalty and I'm pretty sure it's against TOS anyways.
I do have an objection to how this whole campaign to save Lisa was presented- it turned her into such a paralyzed victim, taking wild claims she's making at face value even when they are directly contradicted by the evidence and her own testimony. Then it's being turned into a feminist cause even though the victim herself was a woman...and women are disproportionately less likely to end up on death row compared to men and even less likely to be executed. But it's a campaign of dishonesty. I just read an article that among other things claimed 2 different experts testified that Lisa "brought rape on herself"- in fact those experts said Lisa's MOM said this TO Lisa & talked about how damaging it would be for a child to hear- they actually HELPED her mitigation case-but the truth apparently doesn't matter when you're writing an anti death penalty plea. I think those campaigning to save Lisa are playing fast and loose with the truth & telling themselves the ends justify the means, that it's necessary to save her life- but all it does is repel people when the truth is distorted and these cynical tactics are used.
She certainly could have said words of apology to the family: the fact that she didn't tells me she was truly the cold-hearted killer we knew she was.
This case was one of the reasons I joined WS - not because of the death penalty, but because I wanted to know the "why?"
I have read extensively and studied the trial transcript - I would be very interested in these articles you cited in your comment. Is there any way you could let me know?
I am particularly disturbed by anyone who says that "Lisa brought rape upon herself." Considering that her sexual abuse began when she was a very young, I can't believe anyone would say a child brings rape upon herself.
No one said it other than Lisa's mother.
A 'Prisoner of War' Story: The Life and Captivity of Lisa Montgomery—The First Woman To Be Executed by the Federal Government in 68 Years
"Lisa’s criminal trial in 2007 proved to be a continuation of the coercion and lack of agency she had experienced her whole life. An expert witness for the prosecution, Dr. Daniel Martell, testified that Montgomery may have been a “willing participant” in her own violent sexual torture as a young teenager. Another prosecution witness said he questioned whether Montgomery had consented to the brutal violations of her body. "
This absolutely didn't happen