MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[MyBelle]

No, I agree with you. Even very inebriated, if he could walk them to the door, he would've locked it. Force of habit. And if he didn't lock it, why did the fiancee have to break in. Surely someone would have tried the door knob before going to such extreme measures as breaking in through a basement window.

We don't know what kind of locks he had on his door. My son has a keyless entry system that allows some friends/family to each have a unique code in order to enter if he isn't home. He also has security cameras at every entrance to his home.

Do we know if the girlfriend even knocked on his door before she broke into his basement window? He answered the door when LE arrived. If he has a Ring doorbell security system, he'd get the video on his phone or computer to know someone was at the door.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I also wish that LE had asked for the renter's phone. It doesn't sound like they did, as they did a quick cursory search, waiting at least 2 days later to do a more thorough search. By then the men had been dead 4 days.

I read earlier that it snowed overnight there after the game. I'm just picturing those 3 friends lying out there with the snow coming down and slowly covering them. Very sad all the way around.

BBM. How do you know they didn't ask for his phone and he didn't give it to them? He allowed them to do a search of his home.

JMO

 

[MesquiteO21]

Alcohol/drugs and cold weather is definitely a bad combination no doubt about it.

However, for some perspective on this: I’m from MN and I remember a story of a very drunk college girl getting dropped off at home in the winter and her friends didn’t stick around to make sure she got inside. She was so drunk she couldn’t make it inside and was passed out on the steps all night. I don’t remember what the exact temperature was, but definitely WAY colder than 30 degrees. Probably 0-10 (or even colder, and not to mention if there was a windchill this is Minnesota after all).

She lived, thankfully, but lost her hands. Point being, if a small girl can survive all night in extreme low temps (even if more dressed than they would’ve been), there’s just no way three big guys would’ve died from hypothermia in 30 degrees. Maaaybe one of them (big maybe) but absolutely not all three. They definitely died of another cause, not hypothermia. IMO.

 

[Persephone111]

What if the renter was blitzed out of his mind drunk/ drug bender and that's why he ignored everyone's calls/ texts?

Sadly, this will probably be OD by drugs or alcohol.

Jmo

Yes this makes sense, he could just come out with they’d been partying, he was hungover and his memory of timeline Of events isn’t super accurate. Sounds better than changing stories

 

[Persephone111]

RSBM
We don't know that they died simultaneously. In fact I think because one was on the porch while the other two in the yard, it makes sense that they did NOT all die at the same time. Possibly a few hours apart is my guess.

Few hours apart, how come one or two surviving wouldn’t be alarmed at thr first death? Gone inside for help etc?

 

[*LD*]

It makes a lot of sense that the fiance and relatives would NOT know the men were last at JW's house or have a way to contact JW or even know where he lives. I can see the fiance and relatives texting OTHER people who were with the men. Could be #5 or #6 from the postgame gathering at JW's house.

Hypothetically, fiance is texting people by 10am. The friends with actual info, probably ignored her to potentially protect their guy friend but also to not get involved. When she continues to pressure them, they give the fiance the runaround and stall while trying to figure out what to do.

Relatives not connecting JW's house to the men's last known location likely played a huge role in ir taking two days.

What roles did mutual friends play in why it took so long?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

<modsnip>

I know we aren't going to get an inventory sheet on these guys. But, if they didn't have major things like coats or phones, that's weird. I doubt we will ever know. I am just saying it would tell us something if we knew.

I guess I should have phrased it better. Probably all we are ever going to know is these guys died... Somehow.

<modsnip: Quoted post was snipped>. And, yes, no coats or phones, that's weird!!

 

[sunshineray]

That article also says: "But Talge disputes part of that, saying sometime Tuesday, his client received a text message from Clayton McGeeney’s fiancée and from Ricky Johnson’s mother, asking about their loved ones."

Speculation but... In one of the articles posted on the last thread, the 5th person has been described as an acquaintance of the victims while JW had been friends with the victims for 20 years. If the acquaintance states he received texts from the fiancée and mother of two different victims, I find it hard to believe those people wouldn't also have the cell phone number for JW himself. Someone who had been a friend to their son, fiancé, etc. for decades.

Is it possible? Sure. But remember JW's first story with his attorney was that he only received Facebook messages from ONE person. Now he seems to be reframing that as multiple messages and we have someone else saying they sent him a text.

I recall reading slightly different, that JW was high school friends with two of the three and had known the third, IIRC, about 3-ish years. The 5th man was a friend of that third friend and had known JW somewhat longer than that.

All that with a grain of salt considering the bouncing all over the place with the narrative that's occurred.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Good question !
My .02 is that they never left once they arrived.
Omo.

You may have something here.
What if they didn't leave, yet JW 'seeing' them leave was them saying goodnight and an he heard a door close. If he was drunk and tired, he could have been on the edge of passing out/sleeping, they could see he was about to fall asleep and so said goodnight before going out to smoke/snort/'get some fresh air', he heard a door close, fell asleep.

 

[Persephone111]

Dad of one of the 3 Kansas City Chief fans found frozen to death says they ‘saw something that they shouldn’t have seen’

The three Kansas City Chief fans were found frozen to death in a friend’s backyard after going to a house to watch a game against the Los Angeles Chargers

www.hindustantimes.com

parents of Harrington have opened up with their concerns . “I’m thinking that he, the three of them learned something or saw something that they shouldn’t have seen, and he decided, ‘Well, I need to get rid of you now.’ Friends or not.”

 

[GoBuckeyes]

It makes a lot of sense that the fiance and relatives would NOT know the men were last at JW's house or have a way to contact JW or even know where he lives. I can see the fiance and relatives texting OTHER people who were with the men. Could be #5 or #6 from the postgame gathering at JW's house.

Hypothetically, fiance is texting people by 10am. The friends with actual info, probably ignored her to potentially protect their guy friend but also to not get involved. When she continues to pressure them, they give the fiance the runaround and stall while trying to figure out what to do.

Relatives not connecting JW's house to the men's last known location likely played a huge role in ir taking two days.

What roles did mutual friends play in why it took so long?

One father is quoted as saying that he tracked down JW's contact information and location. I think they must have known that was their last location, or why go to the trouble of finding that information? jmoo

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Your first call should be to 911, for this exact reason! Second call can be to an attorney

True! True!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

We don't know what kind of locks he had on his door. My son has a keyless entry system that allows some friends/family to each have a unique code in order to enter if he isn't home. He also has security cameras at every entrance to his home.

Do we know if the girlfriend even knocked on his door before she broke into his basement window? He answered the door when LE arrived. If he has a Ring doorbell security system, he'd get the video on his phone or computer to know someone was at the door.

JMO

One male family member pounded on the door for 20 minutes shortly before the fiancee got no answer at the door and eventually broke into the home.

 

[Forest_Wood]

One male family member pounded on the door for 20 minutes shortly before the fiancee got no answer at the door and eventually broke into the home.

20 minutes? That's a long time to be pounding on a door with no answer. It doesn't seem true to me. Why would one stand there pounding on a door for 20 minutes if nobody answers? First thought would be nobody home imo.

 

[LadyL]

If he had the wherewithall to escort his all male guests, and some high school buddies, to the door, he strikes me as a guy who would notice a coat left behind. MOO Also, MOO, I don't think he walked anyone to the front door. Most old friends aren't that formal.

where I come from, most old and new friends alike are that 'formal'
my family does it with each other every get-together - the host sees us to the door and in good weather, right outside
I do it with my friends
it's not strange to me
in fact there's a joke meme circulating on FB that makes fun of how many times Canadians say good bye to each other - in the kitchen, the living room, front door, driveway etc.

 

[MyBelle]

You may have something here.
What if they didn't leave, yet JW 'seeing' them leave was them saying goodnight and an he heard a door close. If he was drunk and tired, he could have been on the edge of passing out/sleeping, they could see he was about to fall asleep and so said goodnight before going out to smoke/snort/'get some fresh air', he heard a door close, fell asleep.

I think they left after #5 left--he said they were alive after he left after midnight--but by then the snowstorm was moving in, so they didn't actually leave but went back to the family room where they had been watching tv/playing video games while JW passed out on the living room couch. From the photos, the door to the backyard patio is in the family room.

Why they left to go outside into the backyard is the unknown question. While JW was friends with several of them from high school, I seriously doubt he is a recreational drug user. I remember when I was in college not far from Kansas City and I never dared to try drugs because if I got caught, I would be expelled from college and my father would have been very angry. To this day neither me nor my spouse has ever tried weed but I have smelled it, and it stinks. Recreational weed didn't become legal in Missouri until Dec. 22, 2022.

I believe the three men used weed not purchased from a legal dispensary and it was laced with something extremely toxic. That--on top of whatever alcohol they consumed at the sports bar and in the home, plus the extremely cold weather--led to their tragic deaths.

JMO

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[LadyL]

FWIW, a couple observations reading 5 or 6 new pages today:
1. As I recall, JW came to the door at the request of the police in his boxers with a wine glass that had water in it.

As a football-watching guy in my 60's, one who used to get drunk a lot and have had groups of friends who watch games and drink a lot, like in college, for example I have a couple observations on typical behavior.

2. These guys - at least several of them - knew each other for 20 years. They do not "escort their guests to the door" after drinking 20 beers. They come and go, go outside for smokes, run to the store for more beer, etc. This was not a tea party. They do not serve nachos on doiles with their pinkies extended.

3. They do not "hang their coats up in a closet" - they throw them on a chair, a bed, a couch, on the rarely-used nordic-track, bowflex machine that now serves as a hanger of dirty clothes - now solely a place to throw your clothes. Hell, in a corner on the floor. Again folks, this is not a tea party. This is a bunch of construction workers partying their asses off watching football and drinking all day.

4. Their families, one has 3 kids, one has a fiance, did not get too worried after them missing work the next day. Nobody went looking around the neighborhood until 2 days later. Heck, nobody called the police for 2 days. This was not atypical behavior for them. Their loved ones are/were used to this behavior.

5. Did you guys see the pics and video of the NFL football brother of Taylor Swift's boyfriend? He's without a shirt in 10 degree weather, loving it, whooping it up, barrel-chested, everybody egging him on, pounding beers one after another, probably smashing them on their foreheads for fun. That is more likely what this dynamic looked like. And everybody was laughing hysterically, and having a great old time. That's what guys do when football and beers (like lots of beers) are drunk all day.

Something went terribly wrong. We will find out when LE and the coronors office have to release toxicolgy. IMHO they are trying to find out where the drugs came from, to charge whomever was responsible.

Thanks for listening to my rant. And as always, JMHO.

agree with most of your points but it would obviously be a less formal way of seeing someone to the door than what you've described

 

[Vern]

True! True!

It was the police who knocked on his door when he answered. No need to call 911 at that point.

 

[Curious Me]

Dad of one of the 3 Kansas City Chief fans found frozen to death says they ‘saw something that they shouldn’t have seen’

The three Kansas City Chief fans were found frozen to death in a friend’s backyard after going to a house to watch a game against the Los Angeles Chargers

www.hindustantimes.com

... parents of Harrington have opened up with their concerns . “I’m thinking that he, the three of them learned something or saw something that they shouldn’t have seen, and he decided, ‘Well, I need to get rid of you now.’ Friends or not.”

Wow, I hadn't seen this particular article and the parent's speculations that they could've been purposely murdered, and also the serious accusations being made against JW. Thanks for posting it.

The three men were so loved. It must be torture to wait for their families & loved ones, but I think they should all hold off on statements to the media and wait for the results.

It seems the father is saying even if it shows to be drugs, he's not going to accept it being anything less than murder because he thinks someone purposely drugged all three to death? What does he think they could've possibly seen? Will they accept the results presented from the investigation? Shocking unexplained deaths at this point. These parents are in the throes of grief and going through it publicly. I feel sorry for their tragic loss of a cherished loved one.​

 

[GoBuckeyes]

20 minutes? That's a long time to be pounding on a door with no answer. It doesn't seem true to me. Why would one stand there pounding on a door for 20 minutes if nobody answers? First thought would be nobody home imo.

Because they were desperate to find their loved ones.