MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #3

[Leilei]

So for twenty years or so, according to Caleb McGeeney, JW has been the friendly local drug dealer, not only to the three deceased but, apparently, he's been the CEO of his own drug dispensing firm, attuned to his all his school mates problems and medicinal needs. Making a list of their requirements, buying all the ingredients and magically hiding a lab from his parents, his employers and his professors, to provide a plethora of drugs to all and sundry. And yet, his name never comes up when looking for criminal convictions for drug possession, drug dealing, having drug paraphernalia on his person, etc. And if all these individuals are now so eager to throw JW under the bus, if he's been doing it since high school, why now? Why blow the whistle now? Because if an esteemed scientist, who is internationally known, with bona fides as long as your arm, can be responsible for creating fatal drugs then surely, somewhere, there's more victims. When he was just a teenager, an amateur creating drugs in high school, why are there no other victims? You would think with a twenty year plus career of procuring, making and distributing illegal drugs to his friends and schoolmates there's be at least one other individual who has fallen victim to his product. So who's complicit?

I just gave you a standing ovation, and scared the cat.
He's grieving his cousin, and I feel terrible for him and for all of those grieving, but making those allegations (guinea pigs??) without actual proof is really not a good idea. JW is one lucky chemist if he's done this for decades without issues!
IMO

 

[TDoc72]

Breaking Bad - Good ole JW is in a heap o' trouble now.

If there’s actual evidence and not just a grieving cousin talking crap, I’d agree with you. Some of the family members just sound like they’re mad that JW didn’t die too. Unless it can be proven that JW drugged them against their will, I don’t think he should be charged for murder/manslaughter. I’m sorry for them and their families. But IMO (and with the facts I’ve read so far) all 4 men made a choice.

 

[Arkay]

I admit that I'm surprised that JW has voluntarily entered rehab to deal with his addictions but I can't help feeling that it's a sham and that he's only doing it to level the playing field: that he was as wasted as his buddies but because he doesn't smoke, or was tired, or didn't need any fresh air, in true survivor guilt fashion he's atoning for being alive. IMO

I believe that he does need rehab but was more or less forced to make this choice at this time.

It’s a good place to hide away when your private sins become public and your friends died in your back yard.

If the cousin is telling the truth and JW was a known drug manufacturer, not just a dealer but the one who concocted the drugs, of course he’s going to get out of town.

If it turns out to be factual that he’s always been “the chemist,” then he seems to have a had an aptitude for this that led to a professional and well-regarded science career, but also made him the go-to guy among his drug-taking friends.

He wouldn’t be the first one to have a Jekyll and Hyde personality.

How unfortunate that three men died, men who have children, men who have families.

I guess the chemist made a mistake in ingredients or quantity somehow that resulted in a fatal mixture.

I still don’t believe JW murdered them intentionally. But him going to rehab for a self-proclaimed addiction, according to MSM, does put him in a different light, for me at least.

JMO

 

[neesaki]

Breaking Bad - Good ole JW is in a heap o' trouble now.

I’d already wondered that, Breaking Bad! OMG

 

[al66pine]

Families' Failure to Ask for Welfare Ck, etc.

I've really struggled reconciling the families actions for the two days the men were missing with them also saying that they didn't use drugs. Unless the timeline is missing some serious information, the first texts inquiring of their whereabouts weren't until Tuesday morning and the first attempt to see if they were at their last known location was Tuesday night.

Other than people involved with drugs, I don't know anyone who would not report their family member missing when they were two days late returning home. Breaking into a home before asking for a welfare check and/or reporting them missing indicates that they did not want police involvement. JMO

@iamnotagolem Good post.
Like you, I'm scratching my [ETA: head] for a poss. explanation about their absence, other than alcohol and/or receational use of drugs, whether misuse/abuse of Rx drugs or street drugs.

Didn't someone post an extensive list w wide ranging possibilities, maybe a week after news broke? Can't find it atm.
@Arkay was that you?

 

[al66pine]

I think homeowner's insurance might have been a consideration for the home owner.

@Chypre
Sorry, I'm missing the context.
Homeowner's INSURANCE as a consideration for what?
If you have time to explain or link, pls.
Anyone? TiA

 

[Luna20]

The all of a sudden realizing that you need to go to rehab is damage control in my opinion. It’s what Alex Murdaugh did when he was busted on the side of the road. Life flight to rehab. It’s a ploy to gain sympathy.

It’s the drugs that have affected his morals, he’s not a bad person. He is so addicted that it has taken control over him. It’s impaired his judgment. Identical to what Alex did. Busted and ‘rehab’ is immediate.

JW may think he is getting ahead of this but it’s pointing to him as a ‘chemist’ making his own brew.

 

[Arkay]

Didn't someone post an extensive list w wide ranging possibilities, maybe a week after news broke? Can't find it atm.
@Arkay was that you?

My memory is faulty but I don’t think that was me, sorry.

I like the Breaking Bad comparisons being made, but the real difference is that Walter White was too brilliant to be a meth user. He was strictly about the money and then the power.

If unfortunately JW is in fact an addict, if he is in fact a drug manufacturing chemist like Walter White, then he isn’t on the same level if he succumbed to using his product.

I’m glad JW is alive because no one wants more drug deaths, and we will eventually find out why he lived and they died. Likely for the reasons stated throughout the threads…being indoors, maybe taking less.

We will also find out if he was just an innocent asleep with his fan and headphones or if he was passed out from narcotics.

Time will tell.

IMO

 

[December]

Is the media conflating "pharmacy technician" and "pharmacist"?

Pharmacy technician, the person can be trained by a pharmacy, take an exam, get licensed (this varies by state, my state requires a background check).

A pharmacist has almost as much education as a medical doctor. They don't do a residency and they take more organic chemistry than an M.D. Some pharmacists have a higher degree than this, they are pharmacologists.

JW is the only person with enough education to be a pharmacist (i am not saying he is, but i am under the impression he has a ph.D.). You can be a pharmacy technician with a high school diploma, you need to be reasonably bright so you can assist the pharmacist.

Some people who become pharmacy technicians renew their licenses even if they aren't working in a pharmacy, but it doesn't give you any access to drugs. It just lets you apply for a job as a pharmacy technician and be able to say you already have your license.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Wow. Shocker. Four men got s***faced watching a football game. I think in some ways it's more perplexing to me that more men don't die through misadventure when alcohol and drugs play a role in celebrating ......fill in the blank. It's a tragedy when people lose family members from something that is so preventable.

The problem is it's a national pastime to show your support for your team by doing dumb stuff. Tailgate parties prior to a game means lots of fans are already wasted before they enter the stadium. You see guys at football games where the temperature is below zero and they have no shirt one with their bodies painted blue or whatever their team colour is. And they are always drunk and the camera loves picking out rabid fans like that. You can multiply that level of inebriation tenfold when someone is celebrating at home. Some people try it in a bar but if they get too unruly they get cut off and kicked out and left to fend for themselves. But they need to pee so their drunk self stands beside a water source like a pier, a river bank or a good fashioned ditch. They lose their balance and the next day, a hundred people have their face on a poster putting them all over town muttering about foul play. Because someone who is hurting and fearful, their first instinct is that someone else is responsible for their loved one's disappearance. You might be thinking what the hell does this have to do with Clayton, David and Ricky? Because it's similar insofar that the location is different and the missing have already been found dead but the circumstances surrounding their death has become so commonplace that the truths are being eked out in dribbles where family members are acknowledging not only alcohol may have played a role in their deaths but begrudgingly admit that they can't eliminate drugs out of the equation. The addendum to those statements is still not letting go of pointing a finger away from the deceased.

I admit that I'm surprised that JW has voluntarily entered rehab to deal with his addictions but I can't help feeling that it's a sham and that he's only doing it to level the playing field: that he was as wasted as his buddies but because he doesn't smoke, or was tired, or didn't need any fresh air, in true survivor guilt fashion he's atoning for being alive. IMO

That's very well written and a pleasure to read! It's said that people who misuse/abuse alcohol or drugs have to hit rock bottom before they seek help. Every person has a different bottom depending on their life circumstances and how bad it gets for them. This must be his rock bottom. Another thought too. He may have been to treatment before, making it an easier decision to go back again. Many people try many times to maintain change. Another thought -- nobody can access you when you go away to a residential treatment stint. IMO.

 

[Chypre]

@Chypre
Sorry, I'm missing the context.
Homeowner's INSURANCE as a consideration for what?
If you have time to explain or link, pls.
Anyone? TiA

Sorry, for the confusion. I can't get it to reply to your recent post/ reply to someone else regarding JW vacating the house. When something happens on your property . . . It must have been a hard call to make the report. JW was put in handcuffs, so the home owner may have had to call the insurance company fairly early in the process. jmo

 

[Leilei]

Lots of people follow their own schedules, without being addicts.

No way to know what his father was actually thinking. Addicts can be highly scheduled - many hold down jobs in the roughly 9-5 workplace world.

There is no evidence that "addicts follow their own schedules" or that their schedules don't meet well with others.

Many addicts, it's true, have no schedule at all - but none of the people in the story are without schedules. None of them.

IMO.

That's not what I mean. An addict's schedule is different, it revolves around the addiction. It's not as simple as 9-5, or Monday through Friday. You plan your schedule around your next bump, line, fix, drink. If something gets in the way of that schedule, like picking up the dogs on time, then the schedule is not meshing with the person who is taking care of those dogs. Addict's schedules are also subject to change on a dime because if you overindulge, you're more than likely crashing for hours, or days.

As far as these men having schedules, my question is why did nobody question why they weren't "on schedule" for two days, JW included? Unless it was something that happened when they got together - stayed out, didn't come home, didn't attend to the day to day things - and their loved ones were just used to it.

With the cousin's new interview above, allegedly a LOT of people knew about JW furnishing drugs (if true). Maybe, when the guys didn't come home, they figured that they had all overindulged and were recovering.

Hope I made sense - this case makes my head spin.

IMO

 

[December]

If i was JW, i would never want to see that house again in my life. If i was whomever owned this house, i would really want this smoothed over so i could rent or sell it. I mean, i would understand why everyone is upset, but if letting the families in will help, i would let them see it.

 

[Kemug]

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If i was JW, i would never want to see that house again in my life. If i was whomever owned this house, i would really want this smoothed over so i could rent or sell it. I mean, i would understand why everyone is upset, but if letting the families in will help, i would let them see it.

Yep, this is not good for the home owner either. It may take him a while to find another tenant. Unless he lowers the price a bit. Still, at least no one died in it, apparently.

 

[KooshBall]

I don't really buy the JW as a drug making chemist. His home was searched and he wasn't arrested for drug manufacturing. So there wasn't a drug lab or items used to make drugs. For all we know he could be addicted to alcohol and didn't even participate in the drugs the others took. No matter the truth, this man's reputation is being destroyed in the media without any proof or evidence to back the claims up.

 

[Forest_Wood]

"Jordan is the chemist. They all knew him as that. It was easy for them to go have fun, but he *advertiser censored**ed up. He made a mistake."Caleb McGeeney, cousin to Clayton McGeeney, one of the #KansasCity3, told me he thinks the men ingested a bad batch of drugs. He says Jordan Willis has made and supplied drugs to friends since high school. Here is part of my conversation with Caleb today.Note: These are allegations. Jordan Willis has denied any wrongdoing. As of now, the police are not investigating this as a homicide. #KansasCity

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752861435560853986

It almost seemed like he was slurring his words a bit, or maybe just a lazy tongue?

 

[al66pine]

"Missouri’s 911 Good Samaritan Law"
May or may not have had any application to these circumstances.IDK.
@cujenn81 FWIW

Here's a plain English summary of law in effect since 2017 from a MO. health agency.
"Under this law, the person who actively seeks emergency medical help in the instance of an overdose (or other medical emergency) and the person experiencing the medical emergency will be protected from minor drug and alcohol violations.

"This law provides immunity from:
"Possession of a controlled substance... or drug paraphernalia... or
...an imitation controlled substance...
"This limited immunity does not offer protection from any
other crimes (e.g., distribution of a controlled substance,
manufacturing of drugs, active warrants)."**

** MO. law in plain English. https://health.mo.gov/living/families/more/pdf/good-samaritan-brochure.pdf MO. law info ~ page 69-70.
Link to section of MO statute, Chapter 195, section 205.

195.205

Immunity from liability for seeking or obtaining medical assistance for a drug overdose, when — law enforcement to provide information and resources, when.

revisor.mo.gov

 

[Forest_Wood]

People go to rehab because they're strung out, but in this case JW probably also went to hide out knowing what's coming for him next.

I guess it depends on the way you mean strung out? A person can be living a normal life - working, marriage, kids, successful, etc - and still feel the need for rehab. It's hard for people to change when in their usual environment and sometimes they have to be away from their routine for a period of time (often 30 days) in a therapeutic atmosphere to absorb what they're learning so they can then carry on sober/clean when they get home. I agree that going away for treatment prevents anyone outside from getting at him there, although there would be many other enquiring minds in the treatment centre (clients, staff, workers) who would know about what occurred also. So it wouldn't be totally hiding out. IMO.

 

[Inobu]

Hypothermia is a condition that occurs over time. There are 4 stages.
Stage 1 Awake and shivering Mild
Stage 2 Drowsy and not shivering Moderate
Stage 3 Unconscious, not shivering Severe
Stage 4 No vital signs Profound

The question is how does 3 people enter into Stage 1 Hypothermia without self mediation?

Hypothermia mediation starts with "its cold" followed by a counter measure.
Counter measure 1 going back into the house.
Counter Measure 2 is going to the car.
Counter Measure 3 go to neighbor home seek shelter.
Counter measure 4 is huddling together (often used in mountain survival situation)

The fact that they are in the proximity of shelter rules out Counter Measure 4

Based on the end results the evidence proves no counter measure was taken.

This leaves the notion of the 3 being incapacitated outside.

Based on the given information provided by LE.
There were 5 people present 3 incapacitated out doors and 1 in the home. The owner indicated he was out for 2 days.

Only 1 of the 5 seems to have not been incapacitated.

<modsnip - NO indication that this is true>

The First stage of Hypothermia always starts with "$#!7 its cold" unless you are
incapacitated.

 

[December]

I have always thought JW really was friends with these guys. And i think they were friends with him. This is why this is so hard on the families. Friends look after each other. But, this time something went horribly wrong.

I don't get the impression that his job requires a home lab, but he is probably smart enough to set up a lab if he needed to (a professional scientist one, not something weird). But, i really doubt the police found any sort of lab in that house. Because they would have needed to bring in someone to verify what kind of lab it is. No one has mentioned them doing that. It sounds like the police have mostly finished with that place weeks ago.