GUILTY MO - Hailey Owens, 10, Springfield, 18 Feb 2014 #1

[Bark]

I was going down the road, looking for any car that matched the description that the police gave and I happened to find this one. It's gold and its a ford, but I'm not sure of the model.

It's just down the street from where she was thought to be kidnapped.

 

[carbuff]

A lesson that keeps coming to mind, and I taught my kids this, is to back off and run the very moment you suspect something is amiss. Kids who do manage to escape being kidnapped after being grabbed admit they knew something was creepy about the abductor, and felt the urge to run, but didn't want to be rude or look silly. The MOMENT you feel concern, RUN and scream, and don't be afraid of being considered disrespectful to adults or acting like a ninny.

Try being the kid who does that when the situation isn't obvious to an adult. You'll wind up doing a week of after school detention.

 

[floridamomma]

Agreed. Heck, we go on a website that focuses on true crime, and how often do we hear about a case like this, where a stranger abducts and murders a child? Not even once a month. What was the last similar case to this?

How many children do you (general) know personally who were abducted and murdered? Or are one degree of separation from? For most people, the answer to those questions is NONE.

I read a comment on some website that says parents are terrified of their children being abducted, but as soon as they turn 18, it's "Have fun on Spring Break in Panama City Beach!"

I keep thinking of cherish periwinkle.

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[Leilei]

I hope I am wrong in thinking more charges will be added after the autopsy is done. If anyone finds a link to make donations to Hailey's memorial fund online could you post them please. Her family shouldn't have to worry about paying for a funeral.

I saw this on KY3's FB page in the comments:

Empire Bank 4221 S Campbell Springfield mo. 65804
Make your checks and donations to The Hailey Owens Memorial

You can probably call the bank itself and verify that it's the official fund.

 

[Leilei]

I agree. I grew up in the 60's and was allowed to go all over the place too. I did get the talk about perverts before I started walking to school. We would walk a mile to school when I was six and my sister was eight. My sister was sent on store errands alone when she was six.

But in about 1968 or so, a man tried to grab a classmate off her porch in my neighborhood. It didn't make the news. She told me about it later. It did happen, but people's awareness wasn't raised about it or something.

I grew up in the 70's and early 80's, and same thing, I was all over the place. Walked to the skating rink, the beach, rode our bikes everywhere. We did have a kidnapping right outside my high school in my junior year, two female students, one of whom was a foreign exchange student, were taken by gun-point. We were all given the "be careful" talk. I don't know, these creeps were around then, too, but it seems much more prevalent today. Very scary and sad.

 

[Betty P]

A state senator from Springfield, MO was trying to pass a bill last year that would have made child kidnapping a lesser crime.


Legislation would have made child kidnapping a lesser crime until changed earlier this month

Currently, child kidnapping is a class A felony. One change initially proposed in the bill would have made the crime a class B felony when children older than 2 years old are taken.

Only kidnapping children under 2 years of age would have remained a class A felony under the proposal.

Emily Van Schenkhof, deputy director at Missouri Kids First, an organization that advocates against child abuse, said she opposed the change and spoke with Sen. Bob Dixon, R-Springfield, about it.

How in the world does a legislator justify reducing the crime of kidnapping of a child a lesser offense? Keep in mind, this legislative change applied to felony charges for non-familial kidnapping. Were these legislators concerned that the prisons were becoming overcrowded with child kidnappers?

It's insane. I hope voters replace this guy and any other legislator who supported such a change.

 

[IAMME]

I agree that these things have always happened, I was born in 1976 and ran wild and free with the streetlights/darkness my curfew, but I did have SEVERAL really odd things that happened, a "homeless looking man" walking past our house who was talking loudly about everything stated that "it should be illegal for little girls to sit on porchs and read books" (which is what I was doing), another time a friend and I were stopped on a country road by a creepy man and asked if we wanted to look at some puppies (we ran, crawled through a barbed wire fence and kept running), a man followed me in a walmart and creeped me out to the point that I found my mother and aunt and told them then we searched the whole store so I could show them the man and he was gone, I was pulled over as a teenager by a man in an unmarked truck just as I pulled into my job, I was rather rude to him considering I believed he was LEO, but I did provide him with my license and registration/ins, (scary stuff with my address) my manager insisted on calling the police bc there had been a recent abduction and it turned out that the man WAS NOT an officer at all, I then had police escort during almost every one of my shifts for several months... I don't know if I was somewhat of a dramatic kid, or if I was indeed a creeper magnet with numerous incidents like this...

ETA: we moved around a lot when I was a kid, and these incidents happened in several different states/locations...

 

[BeanieBod]

I lived in homestead when Jimmy Ryce was taken and was a year younger. My brother played baseball with him, my sister went to school with him, we had friends that were neighbors with him. It is something that hits so close, even when you aren't directly connected. It hits the whole community and stays with you forever.

And to add to the disgust, it took almost 18.5 years for his murderer to be executed. Why, on why? The quicker the better to help alleviate the pain caused.

 

[blue22]

I agree that these things have always happened, I was born in 1976 and ran wild and free with the streetlights/darkness my curfew, but I did have SEVERAL really odd things that happened, a "homeless looking man" walking past our house who was talking loudly about everything stated that "it should be illegal for little girls to sit on porchs and read books" (which is what I was doing), another time a friend and I were stopped on a country road by a creepy man and asked if we wanted to look at some puppies (we ran, crawled through a barbed wire fence and kept running), a man followed me in a walmart and creeped me out to the point that I found my mother and aunt and told them then we searched the whole store so I could show them the man and he was gone, I was pulled over as a teenager by a man in an unmarked truck just as I pulled into my job, I was rather rude to him considering I believed he was LEO, but I did provide him with my license and registration/ins, (scary stuff with my address) my manager insisted on calling the police bc there had been a recent abduction and it turned out that the man WAS NOT an officer at all, I then had police escort during almost every one of my shifts for several months... I don't know if I was somewhat of a dramatic kid, or if I was indeed a creeper magnet with numerous incidents like this...

A man attempted to lure me to his truck when I was 7. When I was 11, a limo driver pulled over and asked for directions while myself, sisters, and cousin were outside. He offered to take my cousin for a ride and was incredibly creepy. These things did happen, but there was no internet and sharing with the world in seconds. I think there was an ignorance is bliss element. You can't worry about, what you don't know about.

 

[TxLady2]

I agree.

I live around the corner from an elementary and middle school and along the walking route for many high school students. If I were to confront every person who stopped to talk to a child while in a vehicle, I would be confronting people all day, every day. Sometimes I notice situations that seem strange, but no one can honestly believe that everyone should confront every one of those situations. At some point you have to believe the best in people, until something tells you otherwise.

Exactly. And what about the people who stop to talk to cute kids in the mall? Are we to assume they are trying to lure them away from their parents? It's happened, kids have been grabbed when they were just a few feet from their parent and the parent wasn't paying attention. But I can't go through life suspecting every person of having evil on their mind. What if this guy had had his gun with him, and that neighbor had approached him BEFORE he grabbed Hailey? It might have ended up with an innocent witness being shot to death. I just read one of the reports that Hailey had been shot in the head at the base of her skull, so it's likely he was carrying that gun at the time he took her. To me, it's pointless to argue that these people didn't act quickly enough, or didn't try to stop him. If we were not there, we have no room to criticize.

 

[popsicle]

http://www.news-leader.com/graphics/haileyPCandCharging.PDF

After reading that and how fast and prepared he was with the clean-up and disposal...I do not think this was his first. imo

 

[nursebeeme]

not bag.. bag(s)

I need to put my own self on timeout

 

[CountryGirl]

He had duct tape in his hand when he exited the truck.

 

[nursebeeme]

After reading that and how fast and prepared he was with the clean-up and disposal...I do not think this was his first. imo

three hours is a looooong time :twocents:

 

[iamnotagolem]

Charges in girl's death could bring death penalty; witnesses tried to keep her from being abducted

Authorities said Owens, 10, who was abducted yesterday, was found dead in the basement of Wood’s home, in plastic bags, smelling of bleach.

I hate to assume it but what other reason would he have for using bleach on her body.

BBM, I think this is what many of us were expecting. Found in plastic bags, I wonder how many.

 

[tlcya]

So what have the websleuths discovered thus far about this man?

I had a busy day at work and did not get to catch up much or comment on this one. Curious what you've turned up so far.

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM, I think this is what many of us were expecting. Found in plastic bags, I wonder how many.

I'm just gonna hope that in was double or triple bagged,,,


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[iamnotagolem]

After reading the news release http://www.news-leader.com/graphics/haileyPCandCharging.PDF

I'm somewhat comforted in knowing she was NOT dismembered or mutilated. Not that what happened to her isn't horrendous and disgusting, but I was expecting much worse when they said they couldn't confirm it was a young female human.

It makes sense since she was bleached and in a plastic storage container, in plastic bags.

Now I'd be even less surprised if he has more victims. Seems like he got things done quickly and was intending to dispose of her all "neat and tidy" uke:

 

[nursebeeme]

So what have the websleuths discovered thus far about this man?

I had a busy day at work and did not get to catch up much or comment on this one. Curious what you've turned up so far.

he seems to fly under the radar for now..drug charge 20 or whatever years ago.. and was "mister outgoing" I am sure more will come around.. these things do not happen in a vacuum. :twocents:

 

[BeanieBod]

Not much chance of it being carried out anytime soon. This fellow abducted and killed a schoolchild in 1989 and no one will supply Missouri with the drugs for execution:

http://www.kmbc.com/news/okla-pharmacy-wont-sell-drug-for-michael-taylors-execution/24531510

OMG, can we take up a collection or ask for some sort of requirement for these drugs to be made available? This is awful, simply awful.