MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[Cher352]

To me it looks like the person on the steps has the neckline of his shirt pulled up covering the lower half of his face.

 

[GourmetSoy]

The fact that the missing flyer says she weighs 30 lbs is a bit disturbing to me. IMO, there is no way that baby girl weighs 30 pounds. JMHO of course.

I agree, my almost 3 year old weighs 32 lbs and everyone always comments she's tall for her age and she has always been at the top of the growth chart for height and weight. She is of normal build also.

Makes me wonder what her weight was at her last doctors appointment and when that was.

I'm thinking more like 20lbs, she does not look like a large child from her pictures.

 

[mck16]

The only problem I have with it being the teen is that there has been no reporting of the teen being taken to the PD and questioned. With all the reporters milling around I would expect one of them to mention it, if it was a fact.

If they are truly looking at the teen why haven't they done that? We did hear of an hour long interview in a neighbors home.

I thought there had been reports of the teen being questioned and of them taking a DNA sample. There have been many articles that reported this.

 

[BeanE]

I went to bed with the teen on my mind. I do believe he is connected in some way.

Me too and sometimes a pictures is worth a thousand words.

I'm not understanding. What is this picture telling you about the teen?

TIA

 

[davehead21]

bbm

I remember reading here that they did have a yard sale, but I have no link. Anyone else remember that? Any info about how recently it was held? TIA.

I remember this being said as well. I am pretty sure that Steve Young said it in an early interview he gave. No idea how long ago the garage sale was held, though.

 

[Gardenlady]

1.The teen was in the home earlier in the day on the day Lisa disappeared.

2.The teen would know the layout of the home.

3. The teen had the code for the garage keypad.

4. The teen would be familiar with the dogs, both the neighbors shepherd and the lab mix of the Irwin's.

5. The teen would probably know about Jeremy's new job and that he would be working that night.

6. LE is obviously interested in the teen as we have not see an LE presence at any other neighborhood home.

7. If the teen has the cell phones they would ping the same towers they would ping from the Irwin home.

8. Since Lisa was familiar with the teen she would probably go with him without crying.

I have felt that since I heard about the teen and dna test. He fits everything, taking cell phones...easily see that, knows the house, brazen and stupid define teens, teens have been known to kill innocents for the heck of it.

I also think it fits the dumpster fire and the car being broken into a month before.

Far better than what everything seems to point to a loving and devoted set of parents killing their child

Completely agree with both of you. It fits everything we know. And like you both, I just don't get any hint or feeling that these parents harmed or disappeared this baby.

 

[belimom]

Thanks beane. the detective makes it pretty clear that the info did not come from them.
Personally, I think LE is clearly focused on mom and they are trying to squeeze her and hope she will break under the pressure.
Unfortunately, there is nothing linking her or dad at this point except parentage and nothing supporting IDI -yet one of them has to be true.

I posted this last night - it's the only printed source I have found (bbm):

Fox News's Megyn Kelly made this claim: "Our local affiliate is now reporting that in fact, a law enforcement says that mother Debbie 'failed miserably' that lie detector test, and started sweating, according to the police, when the FBI informed her of this."

http://www.insideedition.com/news/6...say-theyre-not-involved-in-disappearance.aspx

 

[Wendy101]

1.The teen was in the home earlier in the day on the day Lisa disappeared.

2.The teen would know the layout of the home.

3. The teen had the code for the garage keypad.

4. The teen would be familiar with the dogs, both the neighbors shepherd and the lab mix of the Irwin's.

5. The teen would probably know about Jeremy's new job and that he would be working that night.

6. LE is obviously interested in the teen as we have not see an LE presence at any other neighborhood home.

7. If the teen has the cell phones they would ping the same towers they would ping from the Irwin home.

8. Since Lisa was familiar with the teen she would probably go with him without crying.

:waitasec: so mom and teenage boy were close?

What was Dad saying.. people in the list included "women that cheat on their husbands" ... could that be a bit of reverse psychology?

 

[ClaireNC]

Tried to find even a Fox link which stated specifically that Debbi did say it, but even failed at that. I've googled and seen the "failed miserably" phrase come up in the info quoting from the link, but then couldn't find it at the link itself. Still looking though!

Fox went back and rewrote the story to take out the "failed miserably" statement.

Debbie said in one of her interviews that LE said she failed one question in the poly. The Fox reporter was wrong by over dramatizing the statement.

 

[BeanE]

This is still my theory as well, the teen being involved.

That pic does peak volumes.

I'm not understanding. How does this picture speak volumes that the teen is involved?

TIA

 

[mck16]

Completely agree with both of you. It fits everything we know. And like you both, I just don't get any hint or feeling that these parents harmed or disappeared this baby.

ITA and the only thing that has been said that is not favorable to the mother, she said herself and not LE. jmo

 

[Just-a-Guy]

When the parents were doing the media interviews, people thought they should be out searching; when the parents scaled back the media interviews, people wondered how they would get word out.

There are countless examples of "damned if they do, damned if they don't" associated with this case.

Yesterday, someone who thinks them guilty was even suspicious of their having not hired an attorney, as if trickery might be afoot.

They can't win. I still think it's 60/40 that those inside the home know what happened to Lisa, but until that's proven, fairness should reign. (I know it won't as we're only human.)

Good post. Thanks for maintaining a voice of reason... Seriously.

 

[bubblesdoe]

Am I allowed to post my full theory of what I think might have happened? MOO of course. I have seen people post little bits and pieces but not a full "here is exactly what I THINK happened from start to finish". Don't want to violate any TOS.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I agree, In da Middle. Also fits turning lights on (I personally don't think teens think about lights like adults do ), and the stealing of the cell phones. Fits with the person being seen with a baby at 12:00am or 2:00am (time is depending on which article you read).

I would also lean toward an accomplice, as in the teen taking the baby for someone else.

I'm not saying I believe this for sure, but it's the direction I'm leaning this morning.

What if there were people in the house visiting earlier? People who were known to be in the house so it wasn't uncommon. Kids fall asleep watching tv, mom falls asleep and people let themselves out. Lights still on. If Lisa had been sick perhaps her mom just fell out exhausted and didn't realize lights were still on. IMHO

 

[mck16]

Fox went back and rewrote the story to take out the "failed miserably" statement.

Debbie said in one of her interviews that LE said she failed one question in the poly. The Fox reporter was wrong by over dramatizing the statement.

Meagan Kelly does that quite often. jmo

 

[wfgodot]

Does someone have the exact house number handy....for the Irwin house NOT the neighbor?

According at least to the tags below, 3620 N Lister, KC MO.

 

[JBean]

http://www.insideedition.com/news/6...say-theyre-not-involved-in-disappearance.aspx

Fox News's Megyn Kelly made this claim: "Our local affiliate is now reporting that in fact, a law enforcement says that mother Debbie 'failed miserably' that lie detector test, and started sweating, according to the police, when the FBI informed her of this."

Thanks EM. I don't think we are going to find anything that quotes LE actually saying this, but if she did fail the poly they will reveal it eventually. I am not sure why they don't reveal it now if it is accurate. They are not worried about alienating the parents, so not sure why this would not be reported by a direct source.

I personally think this unamed source is a leak from the dept and it is a tactic to pressure her. If she did it, I hope it works. If she didn't do it I hope they rule her out and move on to the next potential suspect.JMHO of course.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

1.The teen was in the home earlier in the day on the day Lisa disappeared.

2.The teen would know the layout of the home.

3. The teen had the code for the garage keypad.

4. The teen would be familiar with the dogs, both the neighbors shepherd and the lab mix of the Irwin's.

5. The teen would probably know about Jeremy's new job and that he would be working that night.

6. LE is obviously interested in the teen as we have not see an LE presence at any other neighborhood home.

7. If the teen has the cell phones they would ping the same towers they would ping from the Irwin home.

8. Since Lisa was familiar with the teen she would probably go with him without crying.

But why would the teen do this? :waitasec:

 

[Gardenlady]

:waitasec: so mom and teenage boy were close?

What was Dad saying.. people in the list included "women that cheat on their husbands" ... could that be a bit of reverse psychology?

That thought definitely crossed my mind. I speculated last night that if they were "close", it might account for any deception on the poly.

 

[BeanE]

Thanks beane. the detective makes it pretty clear that the info did not come from them.
Personally, I think LE is clearly focused on mom and they are trying to squeeze her and hope she will break under the pressure.
Unfortunately, there is nothing linking her or dad at this point except parentage and nothing supporting IDI -yet one of them has to be true.

Yep. Other than statistics, so far, this one is truly a fence-sitter.

We're gonna need a big fence I think.