MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #5

[annalia]

I'm still new to this too & I would like to know the same things.

Also, has there been any information released about the the family's activities on the day Lisa went missing? What time her father went to work? Did her brothers go to school? Did Mom & Lisa meet the school bus? Just the normal routine of the day. I guess I'm just nosy.

I have no idea what to believe happened here. I just want baby Lisa found safe & unharmed. Any mention of a reward yet? I don't know that it would help. It just seems there always is talk of a reward.

JMHO

They may not have the money for a reward just yet.

JMHO

 

[vasportsmom]

I don't know what to think about everything that is going on now but I suspect it has a lot to do with miscommunication and a combination of stress (both sides), one or more overzealous detectives and a set of very fragile parents thrown in for good measure. I'm not surprised that tempers are starting to flare and egos are beginning to show but for the sake of baby Lisa I hope both sides are able to put those things aside and come back together.

For now, I am going to stick with giving the parents the benefit of the doubt. If I'm wrong no harm, no foul. Nobody is counting on me to be right and if I were in their place I know I would want the same. I'd rather think they are innoncent and be wrong than go public with my belif that I think they are guilty, dissect their life for their boys to one day find and then turn out to be wrong.

ETA: I know this is a sleuthing board and to some degree the purpose is to do exactly what I said I am not going to do. In fact my approach to the Baby A thread has been completely different. I can't help but think her parent(s) are guilty and I am angry with them in a way that has caused me to step away from that thread many times. In this case I just really feel this abduction was very personal. There is something so blatant and "look how easy it was" about it that makes me think that the answer lies very close to home, an ex or an extended family member/close friend that doesn't think they deserve the baby or the happiness together.

ETA2: I've read posts this morning that have made me cringe and hurt for the parents but I'll keep reading because I don't want to become so blinded by "my side" that I miss the obvious if it is there. I just hope we can keep the thread peaceful and respectful as it has been thus far. I also wish some of the 97 guests reading would register and add their thoughts to the mix before the rest of us talk each other to death, lol.

 

[BeanE]

In this video, reporter tries to talk to Jeremy and another relative says they have a deal with the networks, so no interview. The reporter is a local reporter.

http://www.kwch.com/wdaf-lisa-irwin-no-new-clues-in-search-for-missing-baby-20111006,0,7884930.story

 

[peeples]

With Hailey Dunn, they poly'd everyone around her EXCEPT her father Clint.. they always maintained it wasn't necessary even though he stated on nancy grace he'd take one

 

[luckyme]

With Hailey Dunn, they poly'd everyone around her EXCEPT her father Clint.. they always maintained it wasn't necessary even though he stated on nancy grace he'd take one

I never followed that case up close. just checked in. Did her mom pass the polly?

 

[lne1970]

Sorry haven't read through all threads, but wasn't there something in the beginning about the parents providing a few names of people that LE should look at? I guess people that might have something against them? I wonder if they owe money to someone. Maybe Dad has a gambling problem and owes a bookie, maybe a drug thing.....and it could be that the wife is unaware. Therefore, yes, someone took her and he probably knows why and who, but is just playing along with the "someone took her" theory and not going beyond that......Just thinking outloud.

 

[peeples]

Am in the CST and they are getting ready to re-air the today show interview with Lisa's parents again

 

[Marah]

I think the reason we aren't seeing them at search centers and hanging up posters as they have been being questioned hours on end by the police. The mom said so this morning. I probably would fail a polygraph too if my LO was missing. She is distraught, exhausted and stressed. I think she thinks the best thing to do was to sit with the police and talk. She is/was being very cooperative.

 

[peeples]

I never followed that case up close. just checked in. Did her mom pass the polly?

It was a cluster fluck, people saying they were told they didn't pass poly's LE saying we never told them if they passed or not, some people given poly's multiple times till they did pass, people walking out during the polys and on and on...
I don't know that there was ever a clear answer on whether Billie passed or not

 

[lonetraveler]

Well, after following countless missing child cases I have this opinion and I know that some people will not agree but I believe that the parents of this tiny baby need to get off the TV sound stages and take themselves into the Police Department and ask the LE what else do you need, I'm here to help you as long as it takes. Irwin needs to take a LDT too. I say, "Stay off the media talk shows" and get back to the people who are trying to find this baby. LE has to be tough, they do not have time to coddle and babysit the parents. We have seen way too many cases where at least one of the parents were involved in some way with the disappearance of the missing child. I'm not really interested that the parents may have had their feelings hurt. To me that doesn't need to take center stage. This baby needs to be found. Period.

 

[Marah]

They've done the woods 3 times..talked to the neighbors and looked through their houses..where do the search next ? Without further info they have no place to go....MOO

I am really sad to say but I hope they have searched freezers and places like that.

 

[heartfortruth]

I am about 20 minutes South of their home and I have not seen any fliers.

I went to the grocery store yesterday and saw several people take second looks at baby girls that were in the store, though.

I know several KCPD officers and like them as people; but I do not like them coming out and putting the parents on blast for not cooperating because they wanted to take a break.

I dunno......."Take a break"? Can't imagine taking a break from finding my missing baby especially when I ask others to "keep searching". Maybe I misunderstood your point or exactly what the parents meant as there are lots of gaps in the information.
.... guess we all handle problems differently.

 

[illinialum]

They have without a Chief since 9/16....anyone know who is the Active Chief for now, is it Cpt. Young?

Sorry if this has been answered -- I'm at work and trying to somewhat catch up -- but this is from kcpd.org:

Cheryl Rose named interim chief of police

Deputy Chief Cheryl Rose was sworn in as interim chief of police of the Kansas City Missouri Police Department on Sept. 19, 2011. She is a 24-year veteran of the department and was previously assigned as commander of the Administration Bureau. Interim Chief Rose will serve until the Board of Police Commissioners selects a permanent replacement for Chief James Corwin, who retired Sept. 16.

 

[Celeste]

With Hailey Dunn, they poly'd everyone around her EXCEPT her father Clint.. they always maintained it wasn't necessary even though he stated on nancy grace he'd take one

Wow. Okay, so I guess that happens. Well, that just makes no sense to me. If they are leaving no stone unturned, then shouldn't they be trying to establish the truthfulness of ALL parties, especially the main players?
Unless this is true:

There is speculation that the police are trying to pit the parents against one another to determine if one of them had anything to do with their daughter’s disappearance, which occurred in the early hours of Tuesday morning.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44813949/ns/today-today_people/#.To8FSd7tso0

Gosh, I just don't even know what to think anymore! What an awful situation...

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.kmbc.com/video/29415510/detail.html

transcription from above interview (not entire portion just the part with "gaps")

R: The police have accused you outright? They told you that?

D: From the start they've ummm.. when I first ummm... when they first questioned me ummmm... it.... once I couldn't fill in gaps it turned into ummm.. you did it and they uh put the picture down of her on the table and they said ummm look at your baby and do what's right for her and just tell everybody where she is so she can come home and I kept saying I don't know I don't know I don't know and it. I. uh uh 11 hours of it and I just sat there and I meanI didn't even ask to leave. I didn't ask for it to stop but I wanted it to but I didn't ask. I just let em keep asking questions until they were done

 

[peeples]

I dunno......."Take a break"? Can't imagine taking a break from finding my missing baby especially when I ask others to "keep searching". Maybe I misunderstood your point or exactly what the parents meant as there are lots of gaps in the information.
.... guess we all handle problems differently.

I understand what you're saying about taking a break from finding your child.. but if you're not eating, not staying hydrated and not getting some sleep, eventually your body and mind are going to give out

 

[luvbeaches]

But what about the girl who was abducted from target? I think last name was smith. Wasnt she from mo? and didnt they track her cell phone? or have i forgotten?

That was Kelsey Smith. She was abducted from the Target in Overland Park, Kansas. LE was able to get access to her cell phone records and the ping locations helped locate her body. Sprint provided the info - but Verizon (I believe), Kelsey's cell phone company, dragged their feet in helping the police. Sprint owned the tower and Verizon used their tower. I remember there being a lot of outrage over this and I think there was legislation introduced to make it mandatory for the phone companies to cooperate with LE without them getting a court order. I am a bit sketchy on those details, and I don't know if the laws were changed.

OP, KS is about 20 minutes outside of KC, which is why you probably remember the MO part of it.

 

[daisy7]

Am in the CST and they are getting ready to re-air the today show interview with Lisa's parents again

Just watched it and it wasn't the whole interview I am really puzzled by the Today Show. They have a video on their site, but it's the interview from yesterday

 

[Mandy113]

I can't possibly understand what these parents are going through at this time. It just comes down to 2 options for me.

1. They are getting some very bad advice (legal or otherwise) on how to handle this situation.
2. They are not being totally truthful with LE.

It bothers me they are restricting their interviews to the National media. I would think you would want every single opportunity you could snag to get your child's face on tv and in the papers and beg people to help find her. I would think local media would be especially helpful with this.

JMHO

 

[Melanie]

Well, after following countless missing child cases I have this opinion and I know that some people will not agree but I believe that the parents of this tiny baby need to get off the TV sound stages and take themselves into the Police Department and ask the LE what else do you need, I'm here to help you as long as it takes. Irwin needs to take a LDT too. I say, "Stay off the media talk shows" and get back to the people who are trying to find this baby. LE has to be tough, they do not have time to coddle and babysit the parents. We have seen way too many cases where at least one of the parents were involved in some way with the disappearance of the missing child. I'm not really interested that the parents may have had their feelings hurt. To me that doesn't need to take center stage. This baby needs to be found. Period.

Hi Lone,

I do believe they have been under questioning by LE for an extended period of time.

I am upset that mom/dad have walked away from LE:

"We were in interrogated for a really long time Tuesday there again, answering questions….I just couldn't take it anymore," Irwin told GMA. "I told them I had to have a break -- no more questions today. I asked to be let go, and they let me go from police station.

Does any parent need a BREAK when their child is missing? I don't care how inconvenient is for me, I would sit there for 24 hours if it meant helping find my chid. Break-Shmake...

However, if LE is grilling them on a "you did it" basis - that would get old very fast.

I just want this little baby found!!

Mel

Source: http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/parents-missing-baby-lisa-no-longer-talking-cops