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Robert Tippett was last seen in January 1980. The unidentified male was found deceased in June 1978.
Robert Tippett was last seen in January 1980. The unidentified male was found deceased in June 1978.
... but the narrative on his NamUs page says that he was "last seen in 1977 or 1978".
I just got a message from Still_Seek_Answers to look at this MP from San Francisco
The Date LKA is five years after Pemiscott John Doe was found, but I still think this is our guy:
John Holt
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20909/212/
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https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20909/212/
I just talked to Michael Nance on the telephone. I called Michael because Kim Doe is in his region (Arkansas), and Pemiscott John Doe doesn't have a NamUs casefile.
Pemiscott John Doe was found in Missouri (Jerry Brown's region) and John Holt is in Carrie Southerland's region (California). So Michael Nance is going to coordinate with them to look at this. He agrees that there are enough commonalities here that we should not presume that Holt's Date LKA is not an error.
* His initials JH match the tattoo on the John Doe.
* He has an identical scar on his forehead.
* He resembles the John Doe.
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... but the narrative on his NamUs page says that he was "last seen in 1977 or 1978".
I just got a message from Still_Seek_Answers to look at this MP from San Francisco
The Date LKA is five years after Pemiscott John Doe was found, but I still think this is our guy:
John Holt
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20909/212/
I just talked to Michael Nance on the telephone. I called Michael because Kim Doe is in his region (Arkansas), and Pemiscott John Doe doesn't have a NamUs casefile.
Pemiscott John Doe was found in Missouri (Jerry Brown's region) and John Holt is in Carrie Southerland's region (California). So Michael Nance is going to coordinate with them to look at this. He agrees that there are enough commonalities here that we should not presume that Holt's Date LKA is not an error.
* His initials JH match the tattoo on the John Doe.
* He has an identical scar on his forehead.
* He resembles the John Doe.
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Carlk90245:
This is great! To think, this guy died over 35 years ago and was completely forgotten about with no case file (likely due to water damage) until we noticed a correlation between him and Pemsicot Kim Doe from 1978 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Right-Shoulder-Jun-78&p=10355236#post10355236). Now there is a new file, great media coverage (http://www.kfvs12.com/story/2533859...-year-old-mid-south-john-and-jane-doe-murders) and a solve right around the corner. Good work everyone.
I found another guy that I think fits the parameters better (Richard Allen Rhyne, of Texas). Since I can't find very good stats on John Doe, he seems to match everything on the Missouri PDF at the beginning of thread. There doesn't seem to be much to rule him OUT as JD.
He is from fairly close (TX), has a "scar on forehead between eyes" and looks really similar (to the photo, but especially the drawing). Height/weight/hair fit, too.
He went missing a little over a year before John Doe was found.
He also went missing from Texas, which borders Arkansas. JD was found just north of the AR/MO border.
He also may have been in the state to "wander," as it seems that John Doe was doing.
One of the last things he was known to do before going missing was to go to his workplace to see if he still had a job. I couldn't find out whether he did still have a job, but if he didn't, I could understand him taking off.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rhyne_richard.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9221/12
I also thought about both John and Jane's tattoos.
Those are probably initials or some kind of acronym. Tattooing has gotten a lot more mainstream since then. I was born a year later and don't remember seeing many visible tattoos on a daily basis until I was actually out of high school in the late 1990's. I remembered a lot of country boys would have them on their shoulders or chests.
But most people I know with them, have tattoos of designs, pics, etc. When one has one with letters, it doesn't usually refer to themself, but is a tribute, girlfriend, relative, etc. It seemed like that back in the day too.
Too bad we can't look up all of the MP's past relationships, relatives, cliques, etc.
He looks possible. Here are my concerns with Richard being Pemiscot John. 1st is his previous fractures. I see no mention of them on Pemiscot John's description. 2nd, is his epilepsy medication...
We already had Richard Rhyne on the list of possibles on page 1 of this thread.
His fractures aren't noted on the little flyer about the Does. But the flyer is hardly in depth like a NamUs profile usually is.
The flyer goes into just as much detail regarding his clothing as his they do regarding his physical attributes. It doesn't say there were any old fractures. It doesn't say if there were not.
Regarding the epilepsy meds...
How thorough of a toxicology study would have been done on an obvious (three gunshot wounds) murder victim in rural Missouri in 1978? Like with the old fractures, it doesn't say that he "had cocaine, acetaminophen, phenobarbital, etc" in his system. It doesn't say that toxicology came back negative. Toxicology is just not mentioned.
I don't know if we can ever hope to know these details due to the flood damage on so many of the documents.
I'd neglected to look at the second link Honesty posted earlier (http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/link/...e-case-file?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass).
To me, it looked like it was a "mobile" version of the news story they posted so I just didn't click on it earlier.
It is wonderful and I regret not having looked at it until today.
The link is kind of a picture book showing the state of the records available. It shows some of the old documents and gives some more details about people that saw them shortly before they were killed. By seeing some of the documents, you can tell that many were damaged beyond repair. Several are legible, though. You just kind of understand why so little is currently known when you look at it.
While I believe there might be something wrong with John Holts MP report, a typo, or someone reported him after he was long missing...I'm not real excited because of the dates.
Kudos, SSA. I think it's very possible that the LKA date is wrong, and that is why John Holt never came up on LE's database searches. It makes me think of the Heidi Balch case; she was the Joel Rifkin victim that was finally identified last year. Someone reported seeing her alive years after her death, so she wasn't considered a possible match for that UID. Perhaps something similar happened with John Holt.
I agree that the LKA date may very well be wrong, although I think it might be a data entry error. The actual date and location (his home) seem quite specific (vs someone thinking they saw him somewhere years later):
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/holt_john.html
I like him and Richard Rhyne as possible matches.