GUILTY MO - Tyler Dasher, 1, Affton, 15 Nov 2011 - #1

[STEADFAST]

Some researchers of filicide dispute these statistics due to incorrect coroner rulings, inability to locate remains, etc. Also, the younger the victim the higher the statistic rises to include parental involvement. While the general statistics dictate 60% it increases exponentially the younger the victim. A study by Dewar states 80% of homicide victims under the age of one is killed by a parent. Under ones are at the most risk with preschool children the 2nd highest likely to be victims of filicide.

One thing that irks me about most national filicide statistics is that no distinction is made between natural and step-parents either. There really should be. JMO and FWIW

I agree that lumping parents and step-parents together in the statistics is very unhelpful! Also, the statistics obviously are only based on solved cases or cases where all the known relatives and friends have been cleared. I wonder how many toddlers' and babies' murders are unsolved?

What about cases like Caylee Anthony? Is she going to go into the "accident" column?

Based on cases that have come to my attention (mainly here on WS) I'd say parents are more likely to kill than step-parents. On the other hand, moms' husbands, ex-husbands, boyfriends, and ex-boyfriends are the most likely of all groups to kill toddlers.

 

[Amster]

I am not making excuses for this young girl...but she was only 20 yrs..and her FB page says she LOVES to sleep..I can see her getting very very angry b/c Tyler woke up and gramma at work and she wanted to sleep..I also think she has been watching the Lisa case and knew someone would see her walking down the street with a baby to make it look like a kidnapping..-She will never get the DP-she is to young and I don't see a jury giving it to her.It is a complete shame that she will spend the rest of her life in jail..just 20 yrs old..So very sad for Tyler!!!! PLease this is just MOO!!

yes, a complete shame that is she killed her baby. Excuse me for not having one ounce of compassion for a baby killer.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I left this forum last night almost feeling bad for my posts... about the active household... about the baby being up so late. About a possible "party-house." Almost!

Unfortunately, I knew it was going to end up like this. It's typical of everything we have become used to in these cases. I knew when I woke up this morning... mom would be arrested. Did I think it would be 1st degree murder?? No. I really was thinking the baby got a hold of some of the drugs and died. Mom panicked, etc...

Now I don't know what to think and I do not even want to imagine what baby Tyler went through. 1st degree murder??

R.I.P. Tyler. Hope Caylee, Shaniya, and all of our little angels are hugging you super tight right now.

 

[SurfieTX]

Friend (HC) is saying Shelby was a good mother and had people that would help her and babysit for her. Said there was nothing stressful going on in the family.

 

[krimekat]

KMOX update:

Brian Kelly at Clayton Justice Center (StL County Courthouse)

2p press conference to be held. No word on WHAT charges just that there will BE charges in about 3 hours

 

[prayers4missing]

Kinda OT, but I just found out that my friend used to have Shelby babysit for her. Scary to know that 5 years ago this woman was babysitting my friends kids.

 

[cocomod]

I think taking off his clothes was likely a cover. She may have had hopes since others have thrown their babies away just off the side of the road, and they were not found for months. She may have hoped that her baby would not be found quickly, and by the time he was found, she hoped that it would take longer for identification. In my mind, she planned to "get away with it" (whatever it is) by staging things.

I think that even if whatever happened was an accident (which right now I am doubting), she knew right from wrong, and she tried to stage things so that she was not discovered as the person responsible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45311719/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

If police think that she got very, very angry; it leads me to believe that she lost her temper and killed her baby.

R.I.P. Little angel Tyler :rose:

 

[LolaMoon08]

Friend (HC) is saying Shelby was a good mother and had people that would help her and babysit for her. Said there was nothing stressful going on in the family.

Aren't they all just "mother's of the year" to those around them?? So typical!

 

[SurfieTX]

Fox2 cut the coverage of Tyler and went straight to Baby Lisa and the family returning home.

 

[MrsG728]

:banghead: Why do people kill their babies? :sigh:

 

[Coldpizza]

omg just watching the coverage on http://www.fox2now.com/news/livestreaming/

Part of the clip was video from yesterday( had to be yesterday) of the mom walking with a detective to a car, she was smiling

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Yep, my aunt had her 1st at 15 also and my mom was 17 when she had me. I think kids nowadays are coddled and spoiled and not taught right from wrong so much. They aren't out working in the fields so family can survive and they don't have work ethics or appreciation for anything. I am speaking in generalities here as I know there are good kids out there and parents who teach right from wrong. I also think society has a good deal to do with it. The Paris's and Kim's and Brittney's and Lindsay's of this world are not good role models and I am disgusted by the things they do and their parents condone. Of course they are age now, but their parents did nothing when they were teens either.
Birth control is what they need if they can't handle a child. They need to understand the choices they make last a life time. JMO

Sorry for the o/t rant...

It may be a rant but it's the Truth!

 

[Stella5]

Fox2 cut the coverage of Tyler and went straight to Baby Lisa and the family returning home.

They went into their regular mid-day news stuff, but generally start repeating stories in the 1/2 hour. So at 11:30 they'll have more live shots from the reporters at all 3 scenes.

 

[gelfie68]

I can't get past her casually walking to the police car. She is almost smiling, looks unconcerned. Her baby is dead, found in a cemetery without clothes. What is going on that she looks so content? I would be hysterical and would need to be carried to the car. My face would be swollen and bleary eye from shedding tears, not casually walking along. dammit!

 

[matou]

Friend (HC) is saying Shelby was a good mother and had people that would help her and babysit for her. Said there was nothing stressful going on in the family.

This just burns me up. She is so selfish and spoiled. SHe had help and babysitters and everything. More than many mothers out there get. JMO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I left this forum last night almost feeling bad for my posts... about the active household... about the baby being up so late. About a possible "party-house." Almost!

Unfortunately, I knew it was going to end up like this. It's typical of everything we have become used to in these cases. I knew when I woke up this morning... mom would be arrested. Did I think it would be 1st degree murder?? No. I really was thinking the baby got a hold of some of the drugs and died. Mom panicked, etc...

Now I don't know what to think and I do not even want to imagine what baby Tyler went through. 1st degree murder??

R.I.P. Tyler. Hope Caylee, Shaniya, and all of our little angels are hugging you super tight right now.

Please don't feel bad, LolaMoon08 ... I felt the same as you did yesterday when I first heard some of the "details" ...

I know how difficult it is to "restrain" yourself from "commenting" when these cases first break ... BUT ...


MOO ...

 

[Coldpizza]

I can't get past her casually walking to the police car. She is almost smiling, looks unconcerned. Her baby is dead, found in a cemetery without clothes. What is going on that she looks so content? I would be hysterical and would need to be carried to the car. My face would be swollen and bleary eye from shedding tears, not casually walking along. dammit!

I'm glad someone else saw it, wow

 

[~n/t~]

Friend (HC) is saying Shelby was a good mother and had people that would help her and babysit for her. Said there was nothing stressful going on in the family.

Yes unfortunately people can't be there 24/7 watching her baby. Hope young girls learn from this. If you can't handle a baby, there are options before you have one (birth control) and after (adoption)!!!

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm glad someone else saw it, wow

it was hard to miss...!

there was an absence of urgency in her body language as well:twocents:

 

[~n/t~]

I can't get past her casually walking to the police car. She is almost smiling, looks unconcerned. Her baby is dead, found in a cemetery without clothes. What is going on that she looks so content? I would be hysterical and would need to be carried to the car. My face would be swollen and bleary eye from shedding tears, not casually walking along. dammit!

She probably got a good night's sleep. No baby to wake her. :furious: