MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #9

[gngr~snap]

How long was he able to stand? Did he walk? Did he speak?

There is a Cnn reporter that verbally descibed it on air. It may be online somewhere. He did a good job of describing it. It was BAD! I cant go into detail here.
PG version: Stand? Hard to tell with editing maybe about 2-3 min. He dropped to his knees another min maybe then fell backwards.
I had the volume off. I know "how lame", I couldn't listen to his screams, if they even had audio. The only reason I watched was to see what JC went through. To think that person is walking around free unbelievable!
Daily Mail says burned 1 min dropped to knees and 30 seconds later fell back. It was fast...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrifying-murder-captured-Jordanian-pilot.html

 

[gngr~snap]

Okay remember back to that conversation. Cole gave that interview where he said well... yes she was able to speak with great difficulty. Then that he couldn't reveal what she said ...well maybe he couldn't understand what she said. Maybe the only sounds were the last gasps of someone who was dying.

That and the phone call as well. Since any mention of it was omitted at press conference. Saying they don't know where she was during that hour... No proof yet? Need anyone that saw her to call...
If she was lying somewhere unconscious while someone left to retrieve gas etc...
Trying to read between the lines. Moo

 

[gngr~snap]

What is it like to be doused and set on fire? You can read it here at your own discretion.

*"3:15 p.m., Smith advised viewers who didn’t want to know what happened to “mute the TV for about five or six minutes.” Smith then provided an extensive description of the video. It was a gripping summary, as Smith used details that conveyed the grimness and inhumanity of the event:"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-news-organizations-describe-it-dont-show-it/

 

[Yvettea]

That and the phone call as well. Since any mention of it was omitted at press conference. Saying they don't know where she was during that hour... No proof yet? Need anyone that saw her to call...
If she was lying somewhere unconscious while someone left to retrieve gas etc...
Trying to read between the lines. Moo

Sorry. I didn't mean to leave any spaces between the lines.

There was only one person who gave a detailed account of what Jess said at the scene. Their information should be secondhand but they go into great detail. I can't find the link so I'll have to paraphrase; maybe you will recognize this as you read it.

She told the first responders who she was because she was burned beyond recognition. She was able to identify her attacker.

This is the same person who said Jess was walking down the road on fire. Burned over 98% of her body, only the soles of her feet weren't burned.

I saw the interview recently but for some reason I cannot find that link right now.

 

[debirlfan]

Do we have any locals on here from the area? I'd really like to know what cell phone reception in the area is like. I'm still thinking that the easiest way to resolve the phone call from her mother with the unaccounted for hour is that they can't triangulate the pings from her phone. By my understanding, if three towers couldn't "see" her, then they can't pinpoint her location.

I mentioned some time ago that I'm not convinced one way or the other whether she spoke to rescuers. I've read the story of a plane crash http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Southeast_Airlines_Flight_529 where several of the passengers were burned between 90 and 100 percent of their bodies and yet they were conscious and talking in the ambulance, which took some time to arrive. That said, if she did speak to rescuers, it's hard to know exactly what she said - or what she meant by it. She could have given the name of the perp - or the name of someone she wanted contacted. Or said something else entirely.

 

[Yvettea]

For some reason our culture sees death by fire as particularly evil, possibly because of the flames of hell.

 

[SeeAlice]

Perhaps there is a person who wants the reward & this person has given LE detail only the perp's could have shared. What gives the informant credibility is Jessica's injuries are consistent with the autopsy and toxicology results & the times are within the window of opportunity.

LE needs to firm up the timeline and have a precise accounting of people's movements before they arrest and charge anyone who orchestrated Jessica being ignited and burned to death. This is extremely difficult to put into words. The sheer evil it took to carry out what they did to Jessical is unbearable to think let alone write.

:moo:

Has the autopsy been released?

The "informant" is VFD, IIRC.

 

[SeeAlice]

I'm honestly not sure that "burned everywhere but the soles of (her) feet" isn't colloquial, like "from head to toe" or "from a-hole to appetite."

 

[SteveP]

I'm honestly not sure that "burned everywhere but the soles of (her) feet" isn't colloquial, like "from head to toe" or "from a-hole to appetite."

I understand what you are saying, but it was stated she was burned over 98% of her body, so I doubt that "burned everywhere but the soles of her feet" was much of an exaggeration. JMO

 

[SeeAlice]

I understand what you are saying, but it was stated she was burned over 98% of her body, so I doubt that "burned everywhere but the soles of her feet" was much of an exaggeration. JMO

Yes, but who did the "over 98% of her body" quote come from? (I tried to search for the source and get a million news aggregators. Ugh.)

 

[MizStery]

Has the autopsy been released?

The "informant" is VFD, IIRC.

No,the autopsy has not been revealed.

Oh no,I am speculating on whether there is an informant. Absolutely, I have NO inside information. I apologize if I have not labeled my posts as my opinion(speculation)only. I always try to draw attention to anything from the media with a link. I usually make an effort to include an emoji for MOO to emphasize 'my opinion part'.

Again,to everyone on the thread I am speculating only.That is unless I refer to mainstream media.

Thank-you for asking me so I can clarify myself.

I am am like a squirrel I collect bits and pieces of information. I read,read until something clicks and I share with everyone my thoughts about it.

So,again please accept my apologies if I mislead anyone.

I truly love reading everyone's post. I also like(whew,like I need to tell you!) to join in the conversation. :smile:

Because,I am concerned my previous two posts might have muddied the water I have deleted them. In the future I will be very clear as to what is my speculation.

Last and most importantly: Gngr-snaps post about the possibility(speculation) the autopsy could have shown Jessica was unconscious during the uncounted for hour window is I believe is a distinct possibility. But,that is only my opinion :moo:

 

[SeeAlice]

Oh no,I am speculating on whether there is an informant. Absolutely, I have NO inside information. I apologize if I have not labeled my posts as my opinion(speculation)only. I always try to l draw attention to anything from the media with a link.

Again,to everyone on the thread I am speculating only.Unless I refer to mainstream Media.

Thank-you for asking me so I can clarify myself.

I am am like a squirrel I collect bits and pieces of information and I read,read until something clicks.

So,again please accept my apologies if I mislead anyone.

I truly love reading everyone's post. I also like to join in the conversation. :smile:

Thank you. I saw so many posts about it that I thought maybe I missed it. It seems pretty curious given that it was due to be released by the ME so long ago.

 

[SeeAlice]

Hopefully this is correct. If not, blame google, I guess.

I searched

Jessica Chambers "98% of her body"

and clicked on News tab. Only 1 result.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/us/mississippi-girl-burns-to-death/

 

[gngr~snap]

Do we have any locals on here from the area? I'd really like to know what cell phone reception in the area is like. I'm still thinking that the easiest way to resolve the phone call from her mother with the unaccounted for hour is that they can't triangulate the pings from her phone. By my understanding, if three towers couldn't "see" her, then they can't pinpoint her location.

I mentioned some time ago that I'm not convinced one way or the other whether she spoke to rescuers. I've read the story of a plane crash http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Southeast_Airlines_Flight_529 where several of the passengers were burned between 90 and 100 percent of their bodies and yet they were conscious and talking in the ambulance, which took some time to arrive. That said, if she did speak to rescuers, it's hard to know exactly what she said - or what she meant by it. She could have given the name of the perp - or the name of someone she wanted contacted. Or said something else entirely.

I am sure many people do talk. Jessica had a head injury and was beaten prior to being doused with accelerant. The difference is, Plane crash victims may or may not have fuel on them, but they do not have poured down their throat before being lit on fire. Autopsy would not show am period of being unconsciousness from a beating prior to death either.

The lab resultsmweremexpected to come in and then there was a delay. I believe that the lab results are what is causing them to call into question the period of time from 6:30-7:31pm. I also believe it is what made them state that they think that someone was "in the car" with Jessica.

If the autopsy showed that the part of her brain that controls talking and walking had suffered from a lack of oxygen as well as trying to repair itself, they know whether statements given by people when interviewed are false or not.
All moo.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11347160

MS - Jessica Chambers,19, Panola County, Dec 2014**Media Thread***NO DISCUSSION**

<b>Subpoenas, lab results in Jessica Chambers murder case may......

 

[New1]

I don't think it has been confirmed that Jessica had a gash in her head, has it? The only person I've heard say that is her father, but her mother says she didn't have a gash in her head. So, who knows whether she had one or not? I guess the autopsy will show if this is true or not. Both her mother and her father were at the hospital with her according to her mother's interview where she stated that she touched her neck and told her that her father was there in the waiting room but he couldn't bring himself to come into the room. So, who TOLD BC that his daughter was hit in the head and had a gash? It would almost have to have been LE or one of the first responders, but then why would LD dispute that she had a gash on her head? This case is so crazy that I'm starting not to believe anything LE is releasing.

Sometimes, I change my mind about what could have happened, but each time I return to my original theory--that JC was having an affair and was parked in that particular spot waiting for him to arrive, and the man's wife or significant other found out about their meeting and went into a rage. Maybe she did it alone or had some help, but I still think there was a jealous woman involved. JMO

 

[New1]

I'm honestly not sure that "burned everywhere but the soles of (her) feet" isn't colloquial, like "from head to toe" or "from a-hole to appetite."

And this brings up yet another discrepancy between what her father said and what her mother said. Her dad says she was burned everywhere except the bottoms of her feet. Her mom says she touched JC's neck...it wasn't burnt. How could her neck not have been burned if "they squirted lighter fluid up her nose and down her throat" as has been stated by her dad? One would think that some of the lighter fluid would have spilled out of her mouth and down onto her neck and chest.

 

[Classito]

"having been told her 19-year-old daughter was burned beyond recognition."
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/14/moms-last-words-jessica-chambers/23442951/

"Chambers said police and doctors told him. "She was burned so bad that she was unrecognizable."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/09/jessica-lane-chambers_n_6296738.html

“You couldn’t recognize her because she was unrecognizable,” Chambers described what he was told by doctors. “The doctor told us it wasn’t nothing we can do you know she was burned 98% of her body.”
http://wreg.com/2014/12/07/father-speaks-out-after-daughter-set-on-fire-and-killed/

But to the Courtland Fire Chief's horror, he saw Jessica Chambers lying next to her burning car "I realized who the victim was and it was just shocking," said Haley. "I hate it for the family."
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/27589639/first-responder-tries-to-comfort-burning-victim-before-death

Just an observation...Doctors and LE say she was unrecognizable..Yet a fireman recognizes her...A victims identity is usually proven before being named...She was burned..car was burned...(ID, tag, etc) Just how did they know for certain at the time that this was Jessica...

Classito

 

[debirlfan]

There are too many conflicting statements and missing information regarding Jessica's injuries and the crime scene for me to be certain of anything. She may or may not have had a gash on her head. If she had one, was it from someone hitting her, or from her trying to get out of the car on fire and in a panic? Was she beaten or not? Was she found in the car, out of the car, walking, standing, sitting, laying down? Did whoever called it in see her, or only see the car burning? Did she actually have some sort of fuel poured into her mouth? Car doors opened or closed? Exactly where was her phone, and where was the battery? IMHO, too much misinformation being thrown around. Whether that's an attempt to keep the perp in the dark about what they really have, general incompetence or something more sinister I don't know.

 

[southernyankee]

Just an observation...Doctors and LE say she was unrecognizable..Yet a fireman recognizes her...A victims identity is usually proven before being named...She was burned..car was burned...(ID, tag, etc) Just how did they know for certain at the time that this was Jessica...

These things may not actually be mutually exclusive. To use the Fire Chief's words, Jessica was "able to communicate...it was difficult." It is entirely possible that if Jessica was indeed able to talk or otherwise communicate, she was initially able to identify *herself* to him (and maybe other first responders), yet she was not physically recognizable at first. :-(

Revisiting some notes I took during LD's talk on True Crime Radio: Lisa did say "she [Jessica] was talking in the helicopter."

My guess is this took some serious + painful effort on Jessica's part, and I think she was physically + emotionally in shock. The whole situation is incredibly sad to imagine. :-(

 

[southernyankee]

And this brings up yet another discrepancy between what her father said and what her mother said. Her dad says she was burned everywhere except the bottoms of her feet. Her mom says she touched JC's neck...it wasn't burnt. How could her neck not have been burned if "they squirted lighter fluid up her nose and down her throat" as has been stated by her dad? One would think that some of the lighter fluid would have spilled out of her mouth and down onto her neck and chest.

Thank you for pointing this out! It crossed my mind earlier as well... I believe Jessica's mother's recollection of events as she experienced them at the hospital that night. Something as poignant as one's last moments with a dying child cannot be easily forgotten, and the point about touching Jessica's neck, it not being burnt (or not burnt badly) - I believe Lisa 100%.

I also believe + understand that Jessica's father may have been overcome with panic, grief, disbelief, any number of horrible feelings in the wake of what happened... I do not fault him for his reluctance to see his daughter at that time if he felt he couldn't handle it, it was too painful, or he couldn't bear to see his child in that condition.

FWIW - I feel like both of Jessica's parents emotions + actions that very night following news of her injuries are entirely understandable, as different as they may be. I don't want to make a value judgment on them at all, but I believe their reactions were honest, keenly felt, and true to themselves.