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MS MS - Wiggins, 'Ms. Wiggins', WhtFem 32-46, UP11583, likely muscular & physically active, Oct'80
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theshadow45
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“Ms. Wiggins” has been unidentified for 42 years today.
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They really look alike too. Mother-daughter?
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Hm, good thought. I noticed the resemblance, but serial killers often prefer a "type" so I thought it was probably just a casual similarity. The ages just about work and they would have been killed at about the same time.
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There's a new exclusion and it's a surprise:
UP2175 Unknown Female 05/09/2000 Merrimack NH
She's not the mother of the unidentified Allenstown murder victim.
I don't think I've ever seen another unidentified person in an exclusions list before.
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That’s a first for me too. Interesting.
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I'm glad they checked though. The timeline and location would fit what we know about Rasmussen's movements.
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Definitely!
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Slightly o/t, but IIRC, St.Louis Jane Doe (1983) and Millie (1984/1998) have other Does in their NamUs exclusions, which could (in the lack of a better term) make sense since they were both dismembered, and not all of their body parts have been found.
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A very novice opinion, but I think since the identification of Karlie/Khandalyce in Australia and Bobby Whitt/Myoung Hwa Cho in the US, LEOs are more open to looking at Does less in isolation, even if they are found alone and in different states. Karlie and Khandalyce were found half a country apart, and their surviving family was all the way at the top, while they were at the bottom. If they'd disregarded them as possibilities because of distance and separation, they'd still be Does. And Bobby Whitt and Myoung Hwa Cho were found in different states, and their close family, at least the Asian side, were in Korea. We know that the Bear Brook four were found together, but we also know it's highly likely MC's mother is dead, also, she just wasn't left with the others in that wood. By separating them, their killer bought time, but hopefully, if LEOs keep testing this way, even if there's a great distance between victims, we won't just see these Does coming home, we'll see families brought back together.
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I can't decide if they actually resemble one another, or if it's just that the reconstructions were done by the same artist--they often have a similar look in that case.
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Yeah, I've seen it with cases of dismembered victims whose cases wind up being combined, and I know of other cases where two unidentified remains were connected (a mother and daughter in CT, for one). I'm sure many other investigations have happened. I've just never seen an exclusion between UIDs actually listed on the public exclusions list.
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This is confusing.... the Marie Morgan MP number takes me to Tammy Leppert? Is this a mistake on your part?
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MP51376 takes me to Marie Morgan--is it a different number to which you're referring? Tammy's MP# is MP1376, which is very similar.
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Ohhhh... I copy pasted it and it didn't copy the 5! Thanks for letting me know!
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As for mother-daughter connections, Karlie and Khandalyce here in Australia were both Does, found in different states at different times (years apart). Both were skeletal. When Khandalyce was found in a suitcase on the side of a highway, they entered her DNA in the system and it hit on Karlie, who was her mother, who was a Doe they'd found in a state forest hundreds of kilometers away. It took a media campaigns showing, amongst other things, the handmade quilt found with Khandalyce's remains to find their names and their family. Deception on the part of the killer and his family (welfare fraud, sending text messages asking for no contact) had meant the family thought their disappearance was voluntary.
But yeah, especially with dismemberment and scattered remains, there would have been other rule-in/rule-out for, example, heads... maybe we just don't normally get to see them on the public list, like you said. Because there would have been. Phone call from next town, 'hey, i hear you've got a torso, we've got a head' and they'd check them against each other. I know when you're talking serial killers, for example, you had people like Bundy and Kemper who'd decapitate and deposit remains in different places. I'm just glad they're checking, so that there isn't confusion and remains are getting reunited - or not - and these Does are getting their names back.
I have a good feeling about this Doe. I know it's not scientific, but it feels so solvable to me.
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“Ms. Wiggins” has been unidentified for 43 years today.
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- A Las Vegas newspaper, dated March 14, 1980, was located near her body.
- The fracture to her right collarbone likely happened in her teens.
- The condition of her teeth indicate she was either wealthy or “the careful wife of a fairly wealthy man”.
- She had a stress injury to her spine.
- She may have been strangled.
Oct 06, 1980, page 5 - Sun Herald at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
View the digital scanned newspaper from Sun Herald dated Oct 06, 1980, page 5.
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Oct 07, 1980, page 2 - Sun Herald at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
View the digital scanned newspaper from Sun Herald dated Oct 07, 1980, page 2.
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The Sun 13 Nov 1980, page 2 - Newspapers.com <I’m adding this because the remains are thought to possibly be related, 1066UFMS>
The Sun 15 Nov 1980, page 6 - Newspapers.com <this article suggests 1066UFMS was a male>
Dec 01, 1980, page 2 - Sun Herald at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
View the digital scanned newspaper from Sun Herald dated Dec 01, 1980, page 2.
www.newspapers.com
Dec 20, 1980, page 2 - Hattiesburg American at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
View the digital scanned newspaper from Hattiesburg American dated Dec 20, 1980, page 2.
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I guess we can now presume Ms. Wiggins was likely not local to the area, which we already knew was likely as nobody has recognized her. It's also always possible the newspaper didn't belong to her.
- A Las Vegas newspaper, dated March 14, 1980, was located near her body.
- The fracture to her right collarbone likely happened in her teens.
- The condition of her teeth indicate she was either wealthy or “the careful wife of a fairly wealthy man”.
- She had a stress injury to her spine.
- She may have been strangled.
Oct 06, 1980, page 5 - Sun Herald at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
View the digital scanned newspaper from Sun Herald dated Oct 06, 1980, page 5.
Oct 07, 1980, page 2 - Sun Herald at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
View the digital scanned newspaper from Sun Herald dated Oct 07, 1980, page 2.
The Sun 13 Nov 1980, page 2 - Newspapers.com <I’m adding this because the remains are thought to possibly be related, 1066UFMS>
The Sun 15 Nov 1980, page 6 - Newspapers.com <this article suggests 1066UFMS was a male>
Dec 01, 1980, page 2 - Sun Herald at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
View the digital scanned newspaper from Sun Herald dated Dec 01, 1980, page 2.
Dec 20, 1980, page 2 - Hattiesburg American at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com
View the digital scanned newspaper from Hattiesburg American dated Dec 20, 1980, page 2.
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