JasonFutchLakeCityFL
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I agree! We take what we can get!Very good information! Considering he wasn’t really looked into (to the best of our knowledge anyway), I think he definitely should have been! I can’t think of an agency, in this day and age, who would allow someone in possession of a - THE - murder weapon to just go free? Or be able to regain possession of the firearm? I wish we knew for certain what, if anything, was done with this lead!
Maybe someday! Thanks for taking the time to research this case! It’s doesn’t go unnoticed!
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To me these two girls are not the same person...I colorized the Jane Doe photo & put it side by side with the 1973 photo of Lucie Gèlinas. and I added the black dots on Lucies face, to mimic moles to give me an idea of any similarities. Lucie already had moles on her face, but they are hard to make out. I mainly compared the mouth and nose and shape of eyes. I put the same hairstyle on each as well to see if it would Frame each face the same.
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Terrible police work or perhaps the guy was an informant.I agree! We take what we can get!Very good information! Considering he wasn’t really looked into (to the best of our knowledge anyway), I think he definitely should have been! I can’t think of an agency, in this day and age, who would allow someone in possession of a - THE - murder weapon to just go free? Or be able to regain possession of the firearm? I wish we knew for certain what, if anything, was done with this lead!
Maybe someday! Thanks for taking the time to research this case! It’s doesn’t go unnoticed!
•MMcG•
Or maybe he was protected by somebody...somebody very powerful and richTerrible police work or perhaps the guy was an informant.
I do not know if the information was posted earlier, ignore if it has been.
I believe this couple is Lucie Gèlinas and Guy Carignan. The rings she wore were sold all over North and South America because they were very popular. They were so popular according to a Canada news paper source, during the time many of the Indian nations of the southeast wore plastic look alike turquoise and in Canada those rings were sold upwards to $600.00! Apparently in Canada if you wore that type of jewelry you were signaling you were well off. Same is said of the mans ring with the initials. Those initials could have been a family member who passed the ring on, or it could have been stolen, etc. A men’s pinky ring signaled a wealthy individual. Depending on the style, they also could signal other things, like mafia family. Certain mafia families had certain styles. As far as his father being a doctor, I read in one place his father wanted him to go into the “medical field.” But that doesn’t narrow it down. Was his dad a dentist therefore all the thousands of dollars of dental work? Or, if he simply said his dad was a doctor, did he mean medical, veterinarian or simply a PHD of science, math whatever... BUT, one thing that I keep coming back to is the ring and watch. The ring is a Linde Star, and the watch was the official watch of Astronauts or NASA. Those two things always struck me as worth noting together. But one thing that REALLY is interesting is that the day before the killings the IMSA “24 hours of Datona” race was going on & someone had put water in the gas of many of the race cars so that the race had to be postponed while racers flushed their tanks. Not all the racers got the tainted fuel. So Jock Doe has a shirt from one race in 75 and was not to far from where the Daytona race had ended about 24 hours before. The man that was in possession of the gun had a son around the couples age, he and another guy had died of drowning while out in a boat with another friend in 1973. And that area was know to have connections with drug smuggling both on the coast in boats and on the highway. As we know from John Paul Sr & John Paul Jr in that racing circuit, and their connections to drug smuggling and JP Sr’s connection to murders and drugs. Lot and lots of info to digest. And how do we know as some stories suggest, “they stepped from a van before being shot” where did this come from, & how could anyone possibly know that unless they witnessed it? And if they had a car with Washington or Oregon plates... where was it? Who has it? If they had a car why were they hitchhiking?? And I swear I read in even another forum that they were on a motorcycle. ?
Ok, so somebody break this down for me please. This guy was pulled over possessing a gun ..which was used in a double homicide...and let go because? Ever questioned again?
Because he was protected by someone who was rich and powerful.Ok, so somebody break this down for me please. This guy was pulled over possessing a gun ..which was used in a double homicide...and let go because? Ever questioned again?
Ok, so somebody break this down for me please. This guy was pulled over possessing a gun ..which was used in a double homicide...and let go because? Ever questioned again?
I live in the small town I grew up in. Everyone is related by blood or marriage (and sometimes both, it’s Appalachia). You would be surprised what can be and is covered up, if someone is connected. Even in a few cases, murder. I bet if you went down there to Sumter County and talked to people of the right age, they know who did it. Very few secrets exist in that kind of place.Some have suggested that they may have been police informants and LE was covering up for them. As a former police officer I can attest that informants are not excused from murders.
MOO, I tend to believe that the killer may have been either Henry or the relative (or both), but they were able to avoid prosecution due to sloppy police work. Plus, they lost the gun later and now have no murder weapon.
I understand small town politics, I have lived around small towns all of my life. But, I really do not believe this is some grand cover-up. In 40+ years, if someone in LE knew who did it, it would have come to light-one way or another. Also, if the victims were someone the locals knew, their ID would have been uncovered. They were not from the area and perhaps not even from this country.
Possessing a firearm with no serial number, was not a crime in 1976. Yes, as I mentioned in my post, LE did lose the gun. It is certainly not the first piece of evidence that has gone missing from LE's possession. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Not sure inept is the correct word-more like lack of experience in handling cases of this magnitude. If LE was protecting someone (Henry or the relative), they would have never tested the gun to begin with to see if it was the murder weapon. If they knew this already and wanted to cover up the crime, they would have tossed it away after the DUI arrest so no test could be done.