Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #14

[SleuthyGal]

Putting myself in Brad's position for a moment: if I were him I too would want to know what information HT might have concerning my purchases for that morning/day.

He KNOWS he has a problem and he's trying to determine just how big of a problem it's going to be. He already went on record for having gone to the store TWICE early that morning.

Now information is out there that he may have been spotted even earlier than what he said...and that would be a HUGE problem! 6:15am is bad enough, but earlier? Oh man.

Obviously he's not going to ask the management directly for any videotape that might exist of him...but he needs to assess how bad this little bit of info is...so gathering receipts and seeing what the store has in their db is one way to get some info on that. He can use the excuse that he's "trying to put together a better timeline of his activities that morning for LE" and it could fly. Maybe. Possibly. Well, not with me, but you know...

He fully well knows what time he went to the store and he knows what he purchased. But what's in those pesky records--the ones LE can get at? Hmmmmm....

 

[The Saint]

aren't milk and juice stereotypical items that someone would think a wife would ask for?

he forgot the bread.

wouldn't a more likely emergency run be for things like diapers, coffee, cereal or toilet paper?

 

[jilly]

Exactly. And it might have ended w/ the same agreement reached at the hearing on 7/25 if he had been notified and attended the original hearing. It's not like they didn't know where he was to notify him of the hearing. The police were watching his every move and he'd been making plans w/ her family during the day.

Hi carolinalady! - Say the grandparents had taken the route of filing an application for custody and serving Brad with notice of hearing which I believe is a minimum of 2 days notice. (Keep in mind the basis of this ex parte application was that Brad was mentally unstable.) Suppose he gets served and freaks out because these grandparents want his girls. Worse case scenerio - he does harm to the girls. The grandparents did not want to take this risk obviously and the Judge erred on the side of caution and issued a temporary custody order, a copy of which was served on him with a notice of hearing for July 25.

Maybe he would have consented but maybe not either. The Judge took the best interests of the children into consideration when he made this temporary order.

 

[The Saint]

Putting myself in Brad's position for a moment: if I were him I too would want to know what information HT might have concerning my purchases for that morning/day.

He KNOWS he has a problem and he's trying to determine just how big of a problem it's going to be. He already went on record for having gone to the store TWICE early that morning.

Now information is out there that he may have been spotted even earlier than what he said...and that would be a HUGE problem! 6:15am is bad enough, but earlier? Oh man.

Obviously he's not going to ask the management directly for any videotape that might exist of him...but he needs to assess how bad this little bit of info is...so gathering receipts and seeing what the store has in their db is one way to get some info on that. He can use the excuse that he's "trying to put together a better timeline of his activities that morning for LE" and it could fly. Maybe. Possibly. Well, not with me, but you know...

He fully well knows what time he went to the store and he knows what he purchased. But what's in those pesky records--the ones LE can get at? Hmmmmm....

i agree. he is trying to figure what they know and fashion his alibi around it.

 

[The Saint]

Hi carolinalady! - Say the grandparents had taken the route of filing an application for custody and serving Brad with notice of hearing which I believe is a minimum of 2 days notice. (Keep in mind the basis of this ex parte application was that Brad was mentally unstable.) Suppose he gets served and freaks out because these grandparents want his girls. Worse case scenerio - he does harm to the girls. The grandparents did not want to take this risk obviously and the Judge erred on the side of caution and issued a temporary custody order, a copy of which was served on him with a notice of hearing for July 25.

Maybe he would have consented but maybe not either. The Judge took the best interests of the children into consideration when he made this temporary order.

i'm sure that they were thinking he would kill the girls and himself

 

[SleuthyGal]

i'm sure that they were thinking he would kill the girls and himself

If the affidavits are accurate and he did threaten this before, then I certainly don't blame the g-parents for taking this extra precaution.

 

[jilly]

i'm sure that they were thinking he would kill the girls and himself

Me too. The fact is, imo, that when they made this application, in their minds he had killed their daughter, so I think if I was them, I would have been very worried too.

 

[momto3kids]

aren't milk and juice stereotypical items that someone would think a wife would ask for?

he forgot the bread.

wouldn't a more likely emergency run be for things like diapers, coffee, cereal or toilet paper?

The mistake he made in my books NO matter what time he states he purchased the detergent is to NOT put more items in the basket...IF HE NEEDED THEM OR NOT! At least he could claim he remembered hearing they needed detergent while he was picking up xyz.

 

[The Saint]

The mistake he made in my books NO matter what time he states he purchased the detergent is to NOT put more items in the basket...IF HE NEEDED THEM OR NOT! At least he could claim he remembered hearing they needed detergent while he was picking up xyz.

he should have bought tampons to make it look like nancy sent him there
or pepto bismol if she felt sick at the party earlier

 

[Bob&Bob]

Here's what I'm worried about. If he was going to play tennis
at 9:30 and she left for her run at 7, isn't somebody going to
ask him what he thought when she didn't return so he could go
play tennis?

 

[SleuthyGal]

he should have bought tampons to make it look like nancy sent him there
or pepto bismol if she felt sick at the party earlier

OMG YES! THAT would have been quite brilliant. What man would purchase tampons or pads without being forced/prompted to? HEH!

Or as I said elsewhere on another thread...stuff to make it look like one of the kids wasn't feeling well. Like regular coke (my mother used this when I was nauseous), some Jello, some tea, some dramamine (my mother's drug of choice, along with coca cola, when she gets nauseous, which she does quite often)...that kind of thing. And then if you throw in some laundry detergent, not as big of a deal, ya know? You could have had a sick kid who threw up all over the place, right?

 

[jumpstreet]

He fully well knows what time he went to the store and he knows what he purchased. But what's in those pesky records--the ones LE can get at? Hmmmmm....

Maybe I'm missing it, but I'm not sure I understand the point about the VIC records, or (offhand) why he would go back and ask.

Is it because he can't recall whether he used his VIC card at the 4am trip, and he wants to see what they have in the logs? Surely if he was NOT wanting the 4am trip to be "on record", then when making that (speculated) purchase, he wouldn't sweat getting the VIC discount on some 4am covert supplies. [ Otherwise, I gotta say, that's one frugal perp! ]

On the other hand, if the VIC records don't happen to show any 4am purchase, it still wouldn't prove anything (since he (intentionally) may not have used the card at 4am).

Maybe he no longer had any store receipts, and couldn't remember exactly what he purchased and when (for the acknowledged morning trips), so he went to HT and asked them for his VIC records, just so he could prepare his affidavit of last week. That would seem reasonable to me.

 

[MoonFlwr]

Here's what I'm worried about. If he was going to play tennis
at 9:30 and she left for her run at 7, isn't somebody going to
ask him what he thought when she didn't return so he could go
play tennis?

Good point.
IIRC he alluded, earlier (was it in the affidavit/s?) to the fact that Nancy would often just not return home when expected.
Sounded as if, it was a run-of-the-mill occurence in their household, given the 'brokenness' of their marriage. (The way Brad stated it).

 

[CyberPro]

It's Harris Teeter's branded consumer purchase card--so a shopper can get specials/discounts and other promotional deals. The card tracks each user's purchases and the store gets data on their consumers' spending habits (all the grocery stores use their own consumer loyalty type card for the same purpose).

Was he seriously stupid enough to want to gain reward points for the supplies he <ALLEGEDLY> used to clean up??

CyberPro

 

[EntreNous]

Hinky Dinky Parlez Vous!-Sleuthy Gal

Yessss!!! Sleuthy Gal, you just totally gave me my signature!

 

[jumpstreet]

Here's what I'm worried about. If he was going to play tennis
at 9:30 and she left for her run at 7, isn't somebody going to
ask him what he thought when she didn't return so he could go
play tennis?

I think this is a good point. Unless the tennis plans were "soft" (ie, 'maybe I can play, maybe I can't, I'll call you around 9 to let you know if it's a "go'), then it seems reasonable that when she left for the jog he would have said "hey, try to be back by 9:00 or so since I'm supposed to play tennis".

... and if so, then even if it was "not unusual" for her to have coffee with friends after runs, in this particular case, she would have been expected back sooner.

Maybe the tennis plans were "soft" though... (an earlier poster had a good point that it would be interesting to see what the tennis partner had to say - no doubt LE has consulted with them)

 

[raisincharlie]

Maybe I'm missing it, but I'm not sure I understand the point about the VIC records, or (offhand) why he would go back and ask.

Is it because he can't recall whether he used his VIC card at the 4am trip, and he wants to see what they have in the logs? Surely if he was NOT wanting the 4am trip to be "on record", then when making that (speculated) purchase, he wouldn't sweat getting the VIC discount on some 4am covert supplies. [ Otherwise, I gotta say, that's one frugal perp! ]

On the other hand, if the VIC records don't happen to show any 4am purchase, it still wouldn't prove anything (since he (intentionally) may not have used the card at 4am).

Maybe he no longer had any store receipts, and couldn't remember exactly what he purchased and when (for the acknowledged morning trips), so he went to HT and asked them for his VIC records, just so he could prepare his affidavit of last week. That would seem reasonable to me.

I'm thinking he may have done this before he did his affidavit. He has some very precise statements in there about what time he did what with respect to the store purchases, i.e. he said he purchased the detergent and juice at 6:45 am and went home. I kinda figure he used the data from the receipts to develop this in the affidavit. You gotta admit - he accounted very precisely his movements and times he bought things and what he bought.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Hinky Dinky Parlez Vous!-Sleuthy Gal

Yessss!!! Sleuthy Gal, you just totally gave me my signature!

I expect royalty payments! A girl's gotta eat (and shopping at Harris Teeter and Whole Foods ain't cheap!) :blowkiss:

 

[SleuthyGal]

Was he seriously stupid enough to want to gain reward points for the supplies he <ALLEGEDLY> used to clean up??

Hee! Perhaps...... I think this is his roundabout way of trying to ascertain exactly what data HT has on him/his purchases. Maybe the subject of his store visit and 'proving' it came up during this Vic card data expedition. I think he's trying to figure out what they might have on him. That's my gut feeling. Proving what he purchased may well be needed too, but somehow I think it's secondary.

 

[jumpstreet]

I'm thinking he may have done this before he did his affidavit. He has some very precise statements in there about what time he did what with respect to the store purchases, i.e. he said he purchased the detergent and juice at 6:45 am and went home. I kinda figure he used the data from the receipts to develop this in the affidavit. You gotta admit - he accounted very precisely his movements and times he bought things and what he bought.

Exactly, that would make perfect sense, and be reasonable. (and if there was an earlier trip that he wanted to go unnoticed, presumably, he wouldn't have used the VIC card anyway (unless, like I said, he's more frugal than smart))