GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #4

[Muckrucker]

If Nick was back at the bar in 10 minutes, why was this not reported before now? When he was interviewed, he didn't mention this - you would have thought he would have said that he dropped her off and then returned to the bar, rather than leaving it "open ended".

It's possible of course, that if he had planned things out, that he could have tied Kelli up and left her somewhere, returned to the bar (for his "alibi") and then returned later to where he had left her. But all this sounds unbelievable to me.

I don't believe VOH mentioned anything about Nick returning to the bar, but the quote was attributed to the bar owner, so there would have been many witnesses.

If he returned, wouldn't they have asked him to pay his bar bill?

Logical. If NH could prove himself as being back within minutes, I think he would have during his 'alibi media tour 2012'. He certainly covered a lot of other ground, so it is quite odd that he didn't toss that tidbit in there, if true.

Like the point about the owner trying to clear the tab, too. Good thinking.

 

[opme]

For anyone who is local to Fort Bragg, there have been a number of deceased persons in and around there within the past few years, I think a couple of them were actually found not far inside the base. Whatever happened to them?

There are currently 50 unsolved homocides in Fayetteville. And yes there are some of those whose remains have been found on base. As I mentioned there are a lot of areas that would be easy to hide somone and are not often used. Also there a infrequent burns that are done to rid the areas used on base of animals/snakes etc and clear of the highgrasses/vines/pinestraw/brush

 

[mamamia54]

Sometimes we never know, mamamia. I read the FayObserver every morning and sometimes we never hear what actually happened. IIRC, there was a body found maybe on Saturday after Kelli had been to the bar on Friday night and I haven't seen anything else about that unless I just missed it.

:moo:

Well, I've found two men one who was killed by another person, so that one is solved. There is another man, that I can't find anything on the case. And a woman who was strangled by her son, he is in jail but he pled not guilty. Just seeing what else I'm able to find.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I have been wondering if he bathed at a local pond. Or just used the bar bathroom sink to scrub down.

Maybe public restrooms?

 

[curiousjo]

I thought they looked at that pond, as NH said that he used to live in a house on that pond.

10 minutes? Not much time. Can you start to drive someone home, get into a fight, then knock her out, then drive her to the pond and hide her, then return to the bar in 10 minutes. Oh, and send off a text x2 and change your clothes en route and ditch her phone? Is there any businesses with cameras along route to home or pond? To top it all off, he has no apparent scratch wounds?

Why bar tab not paid? Did NH run an open tab at the bar and owner take it out of his "salary" at end of week? Or did the bartenders know him, and give him freebies? If KB wanted NH to know she was just a friend, then why didn't she pay the bar tab since it sounds like it was her bill?(The bar owner is quoted saying NH was a quiet guy who came in to play pool, never drank). Was KB suddenly in a hurry to get out of there?

 

[luckyme]

For anyone who is local to Fort Bragg, there have been a number of deceased persons in and around there within the past few years, I think a couple of them were actually found not far inside the base. Whatever happened to them?

Cumberland county is really big!!! I do not live in fayetteville but i live in cumberland co! moo

 

[Eileen730]

Who were her neighbors?
Couples?
Single man?
woman?

There are alot of ppl in that apt complex!

 

[Soulmagent]

Lots of bars "hire" guys to be bouncers, etc - then pay cash, but no benefits. So, the owner can say he was not an employee, as not on the official payroll. Why would the owner let him camp out behind the bar if he was not an employee or friend. If thats the case, who knows if the comment about NH returning in <10 min is even true. This is not a good story for his bar, so I am sure he is hoping NH not involved.

However, if NH did return <10 minutes, then maybe his story is true. I think the timing of her texts x2 and who she was texting that night will tell the story. Why does the Military know about last 2 texts? Was it to someone in the military? If she was texting all night, then the bar patrons should be able to confirm as only 20 people in that bar on Friday night.

I have already dubbed him as a shady bar owner ,IMO of course, very bad what has come out about the bar and its relationship with Nick ,alot of things redflag me. I know it is NC and I am in VA but people not on the payroll behind the bar is enough to close the doors of a bar here.

Big redflag for me is Cash-only I think tax fraud. I also think ,how does he prevent loss prevention, and since Nick wasnt paying for Soda's and the beer is so cheap but the bar doesnt sound that busy all the time and the owner is more about the bar being a hobby then a bussiness ,then how is he not losing a ton of money on the bar??? So yeah very bad for this bar to be in the media because ,if I am thinking about this then other people who know what to look for in bad bussinesses and illegal activities also are thinking about these things. 20 people on a friday night lets assume the all spent 28 dollars it could vary by alot ,but we know at least one person spent nothing (Nick who didnt drink)
560.00 dollars. a DJ, bar tender ,utilies ,insurance , taxes ,alcohol. Maybe rent or more taxes. Bands...

 

[LaLaw2000]

There are currently 50 unsolved homocides in Fayetteville. And yes there are some of those whose remains have been found on base. As I mentioned there are a lot of areas that would be easy to hide somone and are not often used. Also there a infrequent burns that are done to rid the areas used on base of animals/snakes etc and clear of the highgrasses/vines/pinestraw/brush

AND approximately 7 or 8 months ago a Ft. Bragg soldier was found dead near a road on post, IIRC.

I have been there only once, opme, but I agree that Bragg is huge.

 

[luckyme]

fayetteville is just as crime ridden as any other place!! we have outskirts like orlando or new york city!! moo

 

[Muckrucker]

I have been wondering if he bathed at a local pond. Or just used the bar bathroom sink to scrub down.

If he'd tied the poor little thing up, or the... 'assault' was done in a manner that didn't draw blood, why would he need an immediate shower? I suspect your second guess is more likely, Bar of soap and a bit of running water - if that.

Most Perps don't think like we do. I'll bet the average WS poster knows more about forensics than most criminals do. We've spent much time studying so many different aspects of the sciences.

Unlikely shower was first priority, especially if it was a crime of passion. His most immediate concerns would be:

1. where to hide Kelli
2. Attempt to establish some sort of alibi that could fit within a tight timeline

Now if an assault was violent, then the need for clean-up would be more pressing. And I don't want to think about that. :banghead:

 

[luckyme]

shaniya davis lived in cumberland co! moo

 

[luckyme]

I have already dubbed him as a shady bar owner ,IMO of course, very bad what has come out about the bar and its relationship with Nick ,alot of things redflag me. I know it is NC and I am in VA but people not on the payroll behind the bar is enough to close the doors of a bar here.

Big redflag for me is Cash-only I think tax fraud. I also think ,how does he prevent loss prevention, and since Nick wasnt paying for Soda's and the beer is so cheap but the bar doesnt sound that busy all the time and the owner is more about the bar being a hobby then a bussiness ,then how is he not losing a ton of money on the bar??? So yeah very bad for this bar to be in the media because ,if I am thinking about this then other people who know what to look for in bad bussinesses and illegal activities also are thinking about these things. 20 people on a friday night lets assume the all spent 28 dollars it could vary by alot ,but we know at least one person spent nothing (Nick who didnt drink)
560.00 dollars. a DJ, bar tender ,utilies ,insurance , taxes ,alcohol. Maybe rent or more taxes. Bands...

It is a small business! They dont have to take credit cards. lots of places like that here. moo

 

[leedawg77]

My BBM reply is not specific to your post, SpoiledMom, but I'm using it as a springboard for this question:

Am I in the minority because I have friends of both sexes that I do things with - often without my spouse? I'm having trouble relating to that phrase that many have used as above.

To me, 'another male friend' sounds so singular, almost like an oddity. Foreign to me. I'd be as equally likely to go for lunch or out for a bit with either a male or a female buddy, and frequently with groups of each in varying numbers. Tuesday night out just last week started out with one male chum and I meeting for drinks, female friend joined us later for a round, then left to study just as another male friend arrived to join my first bud and I for dinner. (Note, my spouse of 20 years was 100 miles away parked at home because he neither shares our interests, nor knows these chums in person.)

Is that more uncommon than common to have friends of the opposite sex these days? Or am I getting myself all hung up on semantics and context? Or do you guys mean that you think KB had 'another *extra special* male friend'?

I think having friends of the opposite sex is much less common than it used to be. Especially in new marriages. You and your spouse obviously have an established marriage of 20 years and trust each other. Trust is a thing of the past these days. Even my spouse and I don't have friends of the opposite sex simply because while we trust each other, out of respect we don't want to get people talking.

 

[VOH910]

VOH, I went back and found my question, if you cannot answer, I truly understand and Thank you...

VOH,
If you have answered this before I apologize. But do you know how it was that Kelli ended up coming to Froggy's the first time. From what type bar I envision Froggy's to be, you don't usually just wander in and then become a "frequenter" working on becoming a "regular".

Did a "regular" or "frequenter" bring her to the bar initially? or did she go to a bar fundraiser perhaps, thus getting to know the other "regulars/frequenters" and felt at home in the atmosphere of it? TIA

I cannot answer this.

 

[opme]

fayetteville is just as crime ridden as any other place!! we have outskirts like orlando or new york city!! moo

Yes and even in the counties surrounding cumberland county there are violent crimes . Crime is not limited to just that one area but with higher concentrations of people there are more likely higher concentrations of crime some violent some not.

 

[Janeumayer]

Luckyme, Thanks!
On this news video I had a brief glimpse of a small wooden shack that looked to be near a lake.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/11009858/

Took some screen caps of the shack and the lake. They are attached below.

 

[VOH910]

Since no one knew that Nick didn't have money, maybe the reason why the tab wasn't paid for is because Nick acted as though he was paying for the bill to impress Kelli. That could be why their tab was together. But he left without paying when Kelli wasn't paying attention because he has no job and no money.

I have witnessed Nick with cash on several occasions. He also always had cigarettes and gas for his vehicle. He did have a job at one point, and did some odd jobs such as cutting grass, raking leaves, etc. I cannot state what his job was.

 

[ryanemsmom]

Ooohh VOH is back If you read back a few pages there was discussion about this quote

The Froggy Bottoms owner said Holbert lived in a tent behind the bar. Many witnesses saw the man leave the bar with Boredeaux the night she disappeared but he returned in "less than 10 minutes."

from this article
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-20/news/os-missing-soldier-search-kelli-bordeaux-20120419_1_divers-search-person-case-bar

Can you tell us if these witness accounts are accurate?

 

[spoiledmom]

My BBM reply is not specific to your post, SpoiledMom, but I'm using it as a springboard for this question:

Am I in the minority because I have friends of both sexes that I do things with - often without my spouse? I'm having trouble relating to that phrase that many have used as above.

To me, 'another male friend' sounds so singular, almost like an oddity. Foreign to me. I'd be as equally likely to go for lunch or out for a bit with either a male or a female buddy, and frequently with groups of each in varying numbers. Tuesday night out just last week started out with one male chum and I meeting for drinks, female friend joined us later for a round, then left to study just as another male friend arrived to join my first bud and I for dinner. (Note, my spouse of 20 years was 100 miles away parked at home because he neither shares our interests, nor knows these chums in person.)

Is that more uncommon than common to have friends of the opposite sex these days? Or am I getting myself all hung up on semantics and context? Or do you guys mean that you think KB had 'another *extra special* male friend'?

Not at all. I was always one of those girls that had a lot of guy friends. The reason why I am stating "male friend" is because based on some of the answers to questions that I have asked on here, I have come to the assumption that Kelli may have previously had a relationship with a male who wasn't her husband. Since their marriage is said to have been in jeopardy it brings me to wonder if the other 25% that VOH was talking about has to do with this Male friend. Although VOH Has not confirmed this in any way. It is just something that I believe I am reading between the lines. I think just the fact that it is being questioned might mean this male friend (if he actually exists) was possibly more than a "friend". And could possibly be why Nick isn't a suspect yet.