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NANCY GRACE, HOST: What can you tell me -- out to you, Natisha Lance -- about a secret new search? I`m hearing that evidence-- that news right now?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, there is a search going on today for Zahra Baker`s body. Cadaver dogs were used as a part of this search. However, police are not exposing to us where the search is taking place, how close it is to the Baker home, or how many dogs are being used.
But they are saying that they are using cadaver dogs, still looking for Zahra Baker`s body, while they are still searching the landfill looking for this significant piece of evidence.
GRACE: To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers."
Dr. Bethany, you know, this woman has lived in and around the North Carolina area for a long time. Don`t you think that it would be very predictable like Casey Anthony to go hide the body or evidence somewhere only she thinks she knows about. Some hiding hole in her youth?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Yes, I think it`s predictable because often when these women kill children, they do tend to stash the body close to the house. I think the stats say within three blocks of the house is where you`ll find the body of the child.
And if I can say a comment about the 911 call, the fact that the dad says the little girl is brooding and she`s only 10. This is what we see with domestic abuse against children, is that there`s perceptual distortions in the age of the child.
Like the adult might say, well, of course I had to hit and spank Johnny, he didn`t clean the house. And then you find out that Johnny is only 5. So they confuse what it means to be an adult and what it means to be a child.
And I love how he tries to butter up the 911 operator by asking her how he is before he pitches his false, implausible transparent story.
GRACE: With me right now is a special guest, it is Marc Klaas, the president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation. Joining us out of San Francisco.
The other night I asked Marc for the first time in all the years that I`ve known him his response to the way that Zahra`s father reacted to Zahra`s disappearance. And he compared that to when he discovered his little girl Polly was missing.
And I will never for the rest of my life forget what you said.
Marc, I want to hear your thoughts on tonight`s developments. The new search by cadaver dogs where police are not revealing. The taking of the mattresses out of the landfill.
What more do you think, Marc?
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, unlike the Lori Hacking case when they knew almost exactly when she disappeared, which was while she was out jogging one morning, we have a two-week window here. So as soon as they find the relevant garbage grid, they`re going to have two weeks worth of garbage to go through.
Now I believe that Jean`s observation about the mattress was really spot on. And we can only hope that they`re looking for a mattress and not the tiny little leg -- the tiny little partial leg of this poor little girl. That truly is looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack.
They have so many pieces of information and they`re looking in so many places that one can only hope that one of them proves to be true.
And I agree with Bethany, and I think that the statistics will prove this out. That children that are murdered are found within a quarter mile of the location that they were murdered in, so they can almost just draw a circle around that -- a perimeter around that, and concentrate on that ground and hopefully they`ll be able to solve this case by doing that.
GRACE: You know, Marc Klaas, a lot of times I project on to victims` families how I think they should act having been a crime victim. I am a crime victim. And I know many people think that`s wrong. I don`t think that`s wrong, and I want your opinion, being a crime victim as you are, a victim`s rights crusader.
I want your impression of the behavior of this stepmother and father.
KLAAS: Well, she`s just pure evil. Remember she had a picture of little Zahra on her MySpace or Facebook page and she called her the dark child.
GRACE: Dark child.
KLAAS: This little girl with a beautiful little smile.
GRACE: Yes.
KLAAS: So she`s pure evil. He is complicit, whether he had an active role in disappearing this little girl or whether it`s simply through turning a blind eye and enabling her to do what she did.
He`s absolutely complicit. His job is to protect that child, not to ignore her, not to turn a blind eye to her and let evil acts be committed upon her.
GRACE: Now, Marc, you could not have put it any better.
And also, Natisha Lance, we learn tonight that step mommy lawyers up with a lawyer that specializes in murder one defense.
LANCE: Right, Nancy. She was visited by this lawyer. Her name is Lisa Dubs. And she has a history of actually representing women who are accused of killing her -- killing their children. There was a case back in 2008 where a woman kept her two children in the house, 10 and 8 years old, house was set on fire, she was able to save that woman`s life from getting the death penalty.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Renee Rockwell, Peter Odom. It`s kind of like coming into court with Johnnie Cochran. All right? You know you`re guilty then, and everybody else in the courtroom does too, Rockwell?
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: OK, so now because of the attorney you get are we going to use that as evidence against the defendant, Nancy?
GRACE: Why am I not surprised that`s what you said? What about it, Odom?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She`s being looked at for murder, I would do exactly the same thing. And the more innocent I was, the better I`d look for. And I can`t believe that you`re suggesting that because she hires a murder lawyer --
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