neighbors being questioned about handyman

[In da Middle]

I doubt it.

"Jersey" is a real person.

"Jersey" has been ID'd by LE - photo & all - imagine that!

"Jersey", AFAIK, has never babysat for the family, whether in reality, or in anyone's imagination.

MOO

ETA: The continual comparisons between this case & Caylee's case are wearing thin, to be honest. IMO, there are very few factual comparisons to be made.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[sorrell skye]

I couldn't agree more.

I edited my post after you quoted it, to say that IMO, there are no factual comparisons to be made.

IMO, the continual comparisons made between baby Lisa's disappearance & Caylee's disappearance are not helpful, in terms of providing clues or attempting to solve what may have happened to baby Lisa.

IMO, the circumstances of the two cases are too dissimilar to compare.

The attempt @ a comparison between the two cases seems to be an emotional reaction to the stressful situation of a missing baby, which is understandable.

Nevertheless, I think we have to keep in mind that these two cases are not factually similar.

MOO

 

[frankie069]

I doubt it.

"Jersey" is a real person.

"Jersey" has been ID'd by LE - photo & all - imagine that!

"Jersey", AFAIK, has never babysat for the family, whether in reality, or in anyone's imagination.

MOO

ETA: The continual comparisons between this case & Caylee's case are wearing thin, to be honest. IMO, there are no factual comparisons to be made. Personally, I'm not seeing any resemblance between baby Lisa's parents & KC, or between baby Lisa's disappearance & Caylee's disappearance.

I know this isnt about CA but I just wanted to quickly comment on this because its here in this forum. There are some similarities IF we take it that the mother did it, which I believe to be the case. So in saying that, we have 2 mothers who lied about where their child was, Zanny took one, a kidnapper who is unknown took the other, both lies then. IF DB took Lisa and disposed of her, then so did CA. Both have the parents (the grandparents of the children) hiding their kids out right now and sticking on their side. Both cried about it, yeah even in the beginning CA cried until she was arrested for check fraud then it became all about her and not Caylee. IF DB is lying then both her and CA pulled off some pretty big lies and both didnt participate in the finding of their child, that is one thing CA did not do, she never participated she only watched out the window. If we were to pick this apart, there are a lot of things that can be "made" to be the same. Lets see what happens if DB is arrested for this then we can have comparison thread and see just how much they are alike.

 

[sorrell skye]

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I know this isnt about CA but I just wanted to quickly comment on this because its here in this forum. There are some similarities IF we take it that the mother did it, which I believe to be the case. So in saying that, we have 2 mothers who lied about where their child was, Zanny took one, a kidnapper who is unknown took the other, both lies then. IF DB took Lisa and disposed of her, then so did CA. Both have the parents (the grandparents of the children) hiding their kids out right now and sticking on their side. Both cried about it, yeah even in the beginning CA cried until she was arrested for check fraud then it became all about her and not Caylee. IF DB is lying then both her and CA pulled off some pretty big lies and both didnt participate in the finding of their child, that is one thing CA did not do, she never participated she only watched out the window. If we were to pick this apart, there are a lot of things that can be "made" to be the same. Lets see what happens if DB is arrested for this then we can have comparison thread and see just how much they are alike.

At this point - there is no evidence, of which the public is aware, to support the various IFs in the above scenario, let alone the bolded portions with regards to DB, IMO.

To make the claim that:

"we have 2 mothers who lied about where their child was" is, IMO, (to phrase it respectfully) embellishing without foundation.

There has been no reported evidence that DB "lied about where her child was".

 

[bessie]

The purpose of this thread is not to discuss comparisons between cases. Please stay on topic.

 

[Codger]

I posted this once before and I honestly cannot fathom why the police arent putting this guys name and picture out there, its not like they have done this before on other cases. Show his picture and release his name, say he is being looked for for questioning but he is not a suspect. If this man is homeless maybe he doesnt even know he is being looked for ...
<respectfully, snipped by me>

He knows he is being looked for. He knows he violated his parole by not checking in as required + knows the repercussions of that. jmo

I don't think we know why LE focused on Jersey. I've seen interviews with the neighbors that mention LE asking about him.

I'm not sure they focused on him, but It's MOO they're looking for him because he hasn't been seen since shortly before Lisa disappeared from the same neighborhood + he's in violation of his parole. I assume they'd like to clear him + see if he might have seen / heard anything of value. jmo

 

[Codger]

Okay, now all we need to know is: Did the man, driving home from work, see a different guy skulk toward a house, around midnight, with the baby dressed only in a diaper or did he see "Jersey?"

What house did this guy with the diaper-only baby walk up to?

Could it have been the house across the street from DB/JI's, the Irwin home, or some other random house?

And, most importantly, was this baby awake?

I remember reading it was a street parallel to N. Lister.

Oh dear, I could've sworn it was a street perpendicular to N. Lister?? :waitasec:

 

[Codger]

That is so true. They always have a 1st time. Most are probably not caught on the 1st time. I think I am more afraid of the unconvicted sex offenders than the convicted ones.

Many are never caught or charged. You know that weird guy Mom always told me to stay clear of? He had no charges, but the locals knew his "proclivities". I agree with having more fear of the unknown than the known. jmo

I didn't go digging deep, but a cursory google search brought up the following for reference #s.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/2.html

One long-term study of hundreds of sex offenders found that the pedophile child molester committed an average of 281 acts with 150 partners. These types of offenders wreak havoc upon society far out of proportion to their numbers.

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full

A study by Abel et al32 of 377 nonincarcerated, non-incest-related pedophiles, whose legal situations had been resolved and who were surveyed using an anonymous self-report questionnaire, found that heterosexual pedophiles on average reported abusing 19.8 children and committing 23.2 acts, whereas homosexual pedophiles had abused 150.2 children and committed 281.7 acts. These studies confirm law enforcement reports about the serial nature of the crime, the large number of children abused by each pedophile, and the underreporting of assaults.1 Studies that used self-reports and polygraphs show that pedophiles currently in treatment underreport their current interest in children and past behaviors.33,34

 

[cachmo]

I have a question, If the LE really thought the handyman took Lisa wouldnt they be making a bigger deal out of finding him? I mean LE did not release this info? Did they? (They may have this forum moves quickly and Im apt to miss things)You would think that IF LE felt him to be a true suspect or even a POI with knowledge of the kidnapping THEY would asking for info on him in a more vocal manner. Not just asking neighbors.
I hope Im making sense. Is that right or am I way off

 

[TxLady2]

I have a question, If the LE really thought the handyman took Lisa wouldnt they be making a bigger deal out of finding him? I mean LE did not release this info? Did they? (They may have this forum moves quickly and Im apt to miss things)You would think that IF LE felt him to be a true suspect or even a POI with knowledge of the kidnapping THEY would asking for info on him in a more vocal manner. Not just asking neighbors.
I hope Im making sense. Is that right or am I way off

At this point they are just trying to rule him out. It's not a matter of thinking anything, just following leads and exploring possibilities. If they discover something that indicates he took Lisa, then they will put out a BOLO on him, circulate his picture, etc. Until they have probable cause to suspect him, they aren't going to make a big deal out of it.
Hope that makes sense.

 

[cachmo]

At this point they are just trying to rule him out. It's not a matter of thinking anything, just following leads and exploring possibilities. If they discover something that indicates he took Lisa, then they will put out a BOLO on him, circulate his picture, etc. Until they have probable cause to suspect him, they aren't going to make a big deal out of it.
Hope that makes sense.

Thank you.
Honestly I think Im just rambling running stuff through my head.
I do appreciate your answer it helps slow the squirrels running around in my head

 

[jjenny]

At this point they are just trying to rule him out. It's not a matter of thinking anything, just following leads and exploring possibilities. If they discover something that indicates he took Lisa, then they will put out a BOLO on him, circulate his picture, etc. Until they have probable cause to suspect him, they aren't going to make a big deal out of it.
Hope that makes sense.

Agreed. They have no evidence to connect him to Lisa's kidnapping.

 

[momtective]

Oh dear, I could've sworn it was a street perpendicular to N. Lister?? :waitasec:

Yes, I just looked in the timeline and it was perpendicular to N. Lister.

 

[Volume]

Who is Jersey? Why haven't we seen a photo of him. It's stated he missed his probation appt and has been missing. Why not show a photo of him and ask him to come in for questioning? The house they tore down was next door to Jersey's girlfriends rented home. Who is she? Anyone know the address of the yellow house where she and Jersey lived and she was evicted from? Could do a reverse address search.

 

[luckyme]

They just want to talk to him. leave no stone unturned. If someone is arrested they could say LE never questioned this paticular man. Doubts in the jurors mind so to speak. not following up on leads. moo

 

[grandmaj]

Can I ask since I haven't followed this Jersey lead too much, where are we getting that he missed a probation appointment? Is that in MSM?

 

[Laughing]

Can I ask since I haven't followed this Jersey lead too much, where are we getting that he missed a probation appointment? Is that in MSM?

Not rolling back to look for the video link, but the landlord who rented a room to "Jersey's girlfriend" told MSM that the police provided information about "Jersey" missing probation/parole contact.

HTH

Laughing

 

[grandmaj]

Thanks I had never heard that.

 

[luckyme]

Can I ask since I haven't followed this Jersey lead too much, where are we getting that he missed a probation appointment? Is that in MSM?

I think it is in video of landlord speaking. im almost positive. :seeya:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Can I ask since I haven't followed this Jersey lead too much, where are we getting that he missed a probation appointment? Is that in MSM?

Here's the link, Grandmaj:

http://www.fox4kc.com/videobeta/754...e-Investigate-So-Called-Handyman-Named-Jersey