Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 #10 *Arrest*

[k4kathy]

I'll go back and take a look at some of Mom's actions, a little later on tonight, once I get my little one to sleep. My babygirl and I both have terrible sore throats; I don't know why but I can't seem to soothe her tonight Looks like we will be taking a trip to the Dr. tomorrow!

I did watch the "human shield" video though. It is quite unusual; many times people "cover" themselves because of shame or embarassment. I don't know whether she is blaming herself for the death of dear Celina, because she feels she failed to protect her child by simply not knowing what was happening. This would be natural. Think about Columbine and 9/11- how many parents said, "if only I let my child stay home that day" or "if only I asked my wife/husband/child to stay home from work for whatever reason." I'm also wondering if the "shield" was even her idea. I can imagine that her "friends" or the people in the town may have said "we have to rally around her and protect her from the cameras, she shouldn't have to be seen like this" or something to that effect. The fact that she was reported to become completely inconsolable and could not speak/call 911 upon returning home leads me to believe she either saw something or "felt" something was very wrong. Maybe she's an emotionally fragile woman in all aspects of life or maybe the mere thought of something happening to her daughter incapacitated her. I can't even allow myself to think of something bad happening to my own little sweetpea; my soul would just shatter.

Anyway, I'll take a more in depth look at some more videos of her later after things calm down over here!

ETA: I received information from one of our lovely moderators (who could not have been any nicer!) about the "verified professional" option and did not realize in a few of my previous posts, I should have included links, as I am not a WS verified psychologist. In future posts I will provide links to back up my statements, until I decide whether or not to pursue this option. Sorry to all for inadvertently breaking this rule, I'm still learning!

No apology needed here, I love reading your informative posts!

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

No apology needed here, I love reading your informative posts!

But definitely I, and I'm sure many others, do appreciate references/citations/links. Many times I want to read more about the ideas in the post but I don't always know where to find reliable, accurate info. I know it is extra time and work to include citations, but I really appreciate it.

 

[elepher50]

Good grief, that's got to be one of the most bizarre things I've seen in a while. Not sure what to make of that to be honest. JMHO

It is very strange. Very early on when Celina went missing and the news started rolling, I would mutter to myself about the "blanket people". First there was LN coming out of the house with the blanket wrapped around herself, then there was the human shield with the blanket held up so LN would not be visible, then the video of LN in the wheelchair with the blanket on her lap, but the weirdest one that I saw was all the blankets hung around the porch thing on the front of the house so they would be hidden.

Then Celina was found wrapped in a blanket in the river ....... makes me go hmmmm.

There are many things in the pictures and videos that make me scratch my head.

Oh well, AA-JY will act when the time is right.

 

[Silkprint]

I feel so much for this mother .
I cannot imagine what she is going through .
He daughter is dead, most likely murdered .
Her husband was interested in other women on Facebook, which if she didn't know , she does now, along with everyone else .
Her husband is in the hospital with mental health issues.
Her ex is very ill in the hospital.
She has moved from her home .
She sounds like she is a hard worker.
And she is helping investigators and has the press around all the time .
This poor woman!! She is in my prayers
Bless her and her whole family .

 

[Silkprint]

Alot of people have blankets that make them feel better
When my stepdad was killed when crossing the street my best friend and her quilt group made us quilts with patches from each person from all around the world that they signed and added sweet sayings and words .
My son Adam was very upset at Jims death and he still has these quilts and walks around the house with them . He is a grown man of 24 now with a full time job and in school and he still likes loves these blankets .
Jim died 7 years ago this past Aug 9th . Looking at those quilts makes me feel very cared about . I have nice friends

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I'm confused...all I see is the people carrying a blanket or sheet. I feel pretty dumb...

Apparently, when they are holding up the sheet, LN is hiding behind it. She was on her way out of the command center, from my understanding.

 

[GutInstinct]

Yes, he lives in NH. Google first name, Wayne.

 

[GutInstinct]

http://www.wmur.com/r/21545230/detail.html

Hope it is OK to post this. I did a search - "they" are brothers.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

If someone is a registered sex offender, yes, you are allowed to discuss that.

 

[SharkDog]

I agree with all of the comments about LN's behavior seeming strange. However, I think it may just be a combination of her personality and response to this traumatic event. From all that I have read and seen, she seems like a passive person/follower. It appears like she's just "going through the motions" and not really "there" - as if she has shut down. Plus, someone mentioned several threads back that she looks sedated. I would guess that she isn't capable of making many decisions given her mental state. She is probably just taking the lead of others as KHpsych had suggested with the human shield.

 

[hollyblue]

Would LE be able to talk to WN in the hospital or would anything he said be questionable if they wanted to use it in court...if necessary?

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

Today is the 16th, please let there be an arrest today...

 

[Gardenlady]

Thinking of Celina :blowkiss:

 

[Chris_Texas]

I agree with all of the comments about LN's behavior seeming strange. However, I think it may just be a combination of her personality and response to this traumatic event. From all that I have read and seen, she seems like a passive person/follower. It appears like she's just "going through the motions" and not really "there" - as if she has shut down. Plus, someone mentioned several threads back that she looks sedated. I would guess that she isn't capable of making many decisions given her mental state. She is probably just taking the lead of others as KHpsych had suggested with the human shield.

Respectfully, I think it is a mistake at this point in time to arrive at ANY conclusions as to the cause of anyone's behavior. The behavior is evidence of itself and nothing more. The danger, in ignoring this, is that we run the risk of falling victim to confirmational bias.

 

[SharkDog]

Chris_Texas, I agree with you ~ anything is possible regarding any of the players at this point. That is just "my best guess" based on observations of LN from following the news and thread since Celina went missing. LN very well could know more (and even have already shared that information with LE). However, I personally will be shocked if she was involved in Celina's death or a possible cover-up. JMO

 

[MsFacetious]

Would LE be able to talk to WN in the hospital or would anything he said be questionable if they wanted to use it in court...if necessary?

It's been done before, because I remember being stunned it was used in court.
However, I can't see this particular LE team doing that.

When they have a deceased victim that they have already located and the person (to be questioned or arrested) is already in a secure location...
There really is no rush and no reason to compromise the case by going into a psych ward. Too many appellate issues there.

I think Jane Young will wait until WN is released to talk to him again.
I think once he is released we might see more movement on this case. :twocents:

 

[Hardymum]

I've thought that the mom's behavior did seem a little unusual, but maybe she has some kind of issues going on, that make her really unable to cope with stress? I'm thinking those issues could be physical or psychological. Or maybe she has no issues, and this is simply her individual response to the horrible loss she's suffered.

I don't really have a sense of who could be responsible for killing Celina. Maybe it's naive of me, but I don't think any of the body language of WN or LN really tells me much so far.

As I understand it, sometimes a person will have an extreme reaction even to an insignificant event if it triggers a past trauma. A friend of mine accidentally spilled something at a party and became nearly hysterical not long ago. Another friend of mine who is a mental health professional said it seemed like a trauma reaction; maybe LN truly wasn't able to function when she learned Celina was missing and when she was questioned. It could have triggered a serious emotional respnse.

 

[Chris_Texas]

Chris_Texas, I agree with you ~ anything is possible regarding any of the players at this point. That is just "my best guess" based on observations of LN from following the news and thread since Celina went missing. LN very well could know more (and even have already shared that information with LE). However, I personally will be shocked if she was involved in Celina's death or a possible cover-up. JMO

I don't know what I believe at this point. Assuming, for the sake of DISCUSSION (as opposed to accusation), that Celina was murdered, and further that it was done by either mom or step-dad it is obviously reasonable to examine what we know of both their behaviors, and contrast that behavior with what we might expect to see.

The critical word there is EXPECT. That's a slippery word to apply to people we do not know.

It is easy to invent scenarios that explain, and even assign the noblest of motives to anyone's behavior. For example, step-dad at the candlelit vigil might have been frustrated because "By-gosh this candle crap and prayers is a waste of time let's LOOK for our little angle!" Or he might have been scanning the crowd looking for the culprit...

Or for his next victim!

Mom might have been so fantastic, so filled with motherly love for her baby girl, that she was struck down as through hammered with the fist of GOD, rendered incapable of thought or speech or even walking. She was so overcome that she suddenly needed a wheelchair to get around and a blanket to cover her shivering body. Or maybe she is a hammy overactress playing the sympathy card, like a "slip and fall" lawsuit chaser going around in a neck brace in public.

In my mind it comes down to this: while every person is different NORMAL is what I have seen from the parents of other missing or murdered kids. I am trying to think, and cannot recall (someone will probably correct me if I am mistaken) a single case in which an otherwise healthy and ambulatory parent was suddenly confined to a wheelchair (note that she is sitting in a wheelchair at the same vigil where step-dad spent those damning three seconds picking wax off his hand or the card or whatever). I cannot think of a single example in which family and friends escorted the parent down the street, holding up a sheet to screen the parent from public view. Nor can I recall a parent, smiling and waving or not, riding around in a parade. Nor can I recall anyone, including Casey Anthony, going with the "I was so overcome with grief that I could not call the police," never mind the obvious question...

WHY?

Why was she so overcome with horror when her daughter had only been missing an hour or so? And if so, if she somehow just KNEW -- perhaps using psychic powers -- that something horrid had happened and Celina wasn't just out for a walk or at friends or whatever, why was she not screaming for someone to call the police? Or outside looking? Or something?

Again, I am not accusing anyone of anything. Not even close. I think it is unlikely as hell that mom had anything to do with this. My point is that it is dangerous to draw conclusions from the scraps of information we have available. And that, whatever conclusion one might draw, it is pretty darn easy to describe a scenario that turns the previous conclusion on its head.

I suspect that this is going to be a tough case for the police. There were a lot of people with access to Celina, the physical evidence in the home is likely seriously contaminated, and none of the obvious potential suspects have a motive that we are aware of. Nor is there any real reason to believe, at this point, that the police have some smoking gun evidence. Maybe they do, I hope so, and I hope it is good because I think they are going to need it.

MY OPINION ONLY, etc...

 

[CatFancier]

Totally JMO...

I'm thinking Mom was so overwhelmed simply because she knew her kid. I can tell you that if one of my children were missing for one hour or more (because that one hour isn't confirmed, all she knows is that SHE hasn't seen her since last night)...I would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that something very sinister had happened to him because I know him.

I also absolutely don't see why so many are so shocked at her covering herself with a blanket, etc. We spend so much time watching reality TV but this is REAL LIFE. When was the last time you were blasted with a zillion cameras and reporters yelling out questions when you opened your door? I would do everything I could to hide and that has absolutely nothing to do with guilt and everything to do with being so far out of your comfort zone that you don't know how to react.

Also, we have a report from a neighbor that she called 911 because Mom was inconsolable. Everyone has jumped how odd that was. I don't think I've read one comment that maybe the neighbor was just helpful or maybe she was trying to take charge or maybe she has a serious type A personality, etc. Why assume Mom is somehow suspect because she is beyond words?

It's getting hard to read about this case lately. I know everyone wants answers but there is so much judgment toward the parents, etc. that it's heartbreaking.

 

[cluciano63]

Depending upon what is learned by forensics, LE may or may not need to speak with WN. There may be nothing that points to him, or enough so that additional interviewing is not necessary. It is really hard to know what is happening here...