Was that before or after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks? I went up to Sutton, Quebec through Vermont after 9/11 and they stopped us at the border and checked us out, especially coming back into the USA. The US border guards checked out our IDs and passports on a computer. One guard examined our vehicle, while the other processed our identification.
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NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - # 6
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Was that before or after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks? I went up to Sutton, Quebec through Vermont after 9/11 and they stopped us at the border and checked us out, especially coming back into the USA. The US border guards checked out our IDs and passports on a computer. One guard examined our vehicle, while the other processed our identification.
I appreciate Fallon's perspective on the area. Maybe Maura was headed to one of the homes that had been typically abandoned in the Winter. Did she have a connection to any of the homes in the area? And would the utilities still have been working in those homes? I would think that in order to prevent pipe damage, etc...at least the heat would be on.
According to Maura's father, she didn't know that corner of NH. She was most familiar with the Bartlett area. The question is: Did she have a flashlight? I don't see how she could see anything at that time of night on a walk down Rt. 112. There are no streetlights and a abandoned vacation home would be too dark to notice.
So we come back to the kind of groceries that were in her car...anything else that could spoil or that would require a functioning oven rather than a wood stove??? Hmmm....
Maura probably bought the groceries thinking she would be staying at a condo. I think she was a little naive though. To rent a condo, one needs advanced reservations. She could find a room vacancy at a motel, bed and breakfast or hotel, but there is often nowhere to cook. Maybe she just had snacks such as, chips and cookies in the grocery bags.
I also do not buy into the fact that she was suicidal. I do think it's possible that she initially intended to meet up with someone and eventually met with foul play. I study a lot of missing persons cases from the 1970s and it seems like back then a lot of people initially went missing on purpose (ran away, etc) but then ended up in dangerous situations that probably led to their death. I would think that in this day and age they'd be able to figure out if she was carrying on an affair etc. from pulling her cell phone records or checking her emails, but who knows?
I don't think she met up with anyone. It isn't an impossible scenario, but unlikely. She was fine up until she cracked up her dad's car. I'm sure the police, private detectives and Maura's family examined her emails, computer, and phone records by now. I think, if she was meeting someone, it would have been through phone calls or email. I just think she was an impulsive kid, who was emotional and needed to break away for a week. However to add to the mystery, I've read that there was a mysterious call that bounced off the Londonderry cell tower to her phone, but I haven't heard anything further on this.
As far as affording a college tuition for the 3 or 4 kids I don't think the parents would have had a problem with that. I tried looking up Fred Murray to see what he did for work. I'm pretty sure that he owns a company that sells packaging machines. The wife was also a nurse.
UMass administrators came out on the news last year to say that they were going to try and cut down on the amount of partying at the school and to try to change the schools image. I have many friends that have gone to school at UMass Amherst over the years and each one would say that their entire time there was a party. I have friends and relatives that went to BC, BU, UMass Lowell, UMass Boston, and several of the other local colleges. They can't even compete with UMass Amherst in the partying department.
Neil
I think she was on work study, which is a form of a scholarship. In other words, financial aid. Maura's parents were both professionals, but they were divorced. Fred Murray had 2 households to finance. Probably, 2 mortgages, along with the 5 kids. I worked at a private college and the tuition there was almost 30k, which didn't include room, board and books, etc. and that is only for one year! Maura probably liked the Track and Field program at Amherst as well as the nursing program. Some schools may have one or the other, but not both programs. Amherst has solid programs in areas she was interested in pursuing. Maura was on the Dean's list, so she didn't party hardy all the time.
In the winter in that area cars are few and far between on that road. I have driven that road at night without seeing a single vehicle pass me on the road. This is especially true of week nights during the winter.
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She may have accepted a ride after realizing the road was too dark, quiet and scary.
According to Maura's father, she didn't know that corner of NH. She was most familiar with the Bartlett area. The question is: Did she have a flashlight? I don't see how she could see anything at that time of night on a walk down Rt. 112. There are no streetlights and a abandoned vacation home would be too dark to notice.
The corner of the road that she had her accident on is very well lit. If she walked east on 112 then it would have been dark. If she was heading west there would have been plenty of light.
If I was in an accident and wasn't sure where I was I would go back in the direction from which I came not proceed to an unknown.
Also, who was she visiting in Burlington or Stowe VT. The maps in her car were directions to both places.
Neil
Was that before or after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks? I went up to Sutton, Quebec through Vermont after 9/11 and they stopped us at the border and checked us out, especially coming back into the USA. The US border guards checked out our IDs and passports on a computer. One guard examined our vehicle, while the other processed our identification.
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The time line would suggest that she stopped somewhere along the way.
The ride is a 2 hour and 28 minute ride from UMass to the accident location. She was said to have left between 3:30 and 4:30 PM. There is a half hour unaccounted for in the trip.
Neil
The ride is a 2 hour and 28 minute ride from UMass to the accident location. She was said to have left between 3:30 and 4:30 PM. There is a half hour unaccounted for in the trip.
Neil
I think if MM was the woman that the person saw run down the dirt road then she had plenty of places to run. Here is a description of the road that she was on from the NH tourism site.
Undoubtedly, one of the most spectacular sections of the White Mountains Trail is the Kancamagus Highway, which stretches 341/2 miles from Conway in the east to Lincoln in the west. The Kanc, as it is known, traverses the White Mountain National Forest, crossing the flank of Mt. Kancamagus and climbing to nearly 3,000 feet in the process. Along its length are numerous hiking trails, federally designated Scenic Areas, and overlooks that provide travelers with truly breathtaking views.
If she ended up in one of these areas off of the road then I don't think she could have survived. She would have died from hypothermia and the body would have been dragged off by one of the animals from that area. Some of the animals that are indigenous to the area are bobcats, coyotes, and bears.
Neil
Undoubtedly, one of the most spectacular sections of the White Mountains Trail is the Kancamagus Highway, which stretches 341/2 miles from Conway in the east to Lincoln in the west. The Kanc, as it is known, traverses the White Mountain National Forest, crossing the flank of Mt. Kancamagus and climbing to nearly 3,000 feet in the process. Along its length are numerous hiking trails, federally designated Scenic Areas, and overlooks that provide travelers with truly breathtaking views.
If she ended up in one of these areas off of the road then I don't think she could have survived. She would have died from hypothermia and the body would have been dragged off by one of the animals from that area. Some of the animals that are indigenous to the area are bobcats, coyotes, and bears.
Neil
The corner of the road that she had her accident on is very well lit. If she walked east on 112 then it would have been dark. If she was heading west there would have been plenty of light.
I probably would have gone back west too, but the police dogs followed her scent going east. My understanding is that the closest store was west. I think a policeman or the bus driver checked out that direction (west) right after Maura went missing from the accident scene. The bus driver may have even stopped at the store.
If she ended up in one of these areas off of the road then I don't think she could have survived. She would have died from hypothermia and the body would have been dragged off by one of the animals from that area. Some of the animals that are indigenous to the area are bobcats, coyotes, and bears.
Neil
It is a big possibility. She was young and obviously, wasn't thinking straight. She was definitely not stupid, but she was young and probably, naive in some ways. She could have kept running east, became disoriented and/or succumbed to the elements. People who succumb to hypothermia sometimes do weird things such as, taking off there jackets, because they feel hot, which is a sign their core temperature has dropped.
I just read that hypothermia could lead to "terminal burrowing," which is a behavior pattern observed in the last stages of hypothermia whereby the afflicted will enter small, enclosed spaces. The victim may burrow into piles of leaves, the crevices between rocks or fallen trees, or into culverts. Searchers must be aware of the possibility that the missing persons may be thoroughly hidden and too hypothermic to respond to their calls.
When I was a teenager, I suffered hypothermia. I recall not being able to talk. It was very distressing! The connection was cut between my brain and mouth. I couldn't form words. It was the weirdest thing and VERY scary. I went downhill quite fast. It started with shivering and then, flaking out---couldn't talk and could barely walk. If Maura had suffered from this, it would have been hard for her to overcome it without someone's help.
When I was a teenager, I suffered hypothermia. I recall not being able to talk. It was very distressing! The connection was cut between my brain and mouth. I couldn't form words. It was the weirdest thing and VERY scary. I went downhill quite fast. It started with shivering and then, flaking out---couldn't talk and could barely walk. If Maura had suffered from this, it would have been hard for her to overcome it without someone's help.
Also, who was she visiting in Burlington or Stowe VT. The maps in her car were directions to both places.
Neil
I believe she and her dad or the whole family visited that area in recent years.
I think Maura loved hiking and the mountains and just wanted to be in a place she loved. I don't think she was meeting anybody.
I found an old comment from Maura on a NH message board. She was only 16, when she wrote it. The comment was all about how much she loved the White Mountains. She also wrote about her favorite trails. This is one reason I think she was not meeting someone. I may be way off base, but my gut feeling is that she just wanted to get away alone.
If the police dogs followed her scent eastbound and it vanished then she did not run down a side road. She got into a vehicle. I have 3 German Shepherds and I know how good these dogs can track. I have watched them track in torrential downpours and they still find what they are looking for. The only thing that I have found that tracking dogs have a problem with is leaves. They have a hard time finding something buried in leaves. In February up there that wouldn't be a problem as the ground is snow covered and the streets are wet. My Shepherds can find something buried in the snow. It's a game you play with them while they are growing up and they begin to like to find what is hidden. If I take a pebble and throw it into a rock pit full of pebbles my Shepherds will bring back the exact one that I threw. Their sense of smell is 2000 times as powerful as the human nose.
I have the same feelings for the White Mountains. I'm to old to hike these days but did quite a bit of it on the Appalachian Trail when I was younger. Being a hiker and knowing the environment up there in the winter I wouldn't even make that trip without taking one of my German Shepherds with me.
The animals up there just come right out of the woods onto the road. In the spring the bears walk right through the neighborhood.
When you go up there for a week you don't want to come back to civilization. It's just calm and perfect up there. There is no stress and the lifestyle is laid back. Nobody locks their doors and all of the people I have met are very helpful and hospitable.
Neil
I have the same feelings for the White Mountains. I'm to old to hike these days but did quite a bit of it on the Appalachian Trail when I was younger. Being a hiker and knowing the environment up there in the winter I wouldn't even make that trip without taking one of my German Shepherds with me.
The animals up there just come right out of the woods onto the road. In the spring the bears walk right through the neighborhood.
When you go up there for a week you don't want to come back to civilization. It's just calm and perfect up there. There is no stress and the lifestyle is laid back. Nobody locks their doors and all of the people I have met are very helpful and hospitable.
Neil
County Road in Woodsville NH is the street that is 5 miles from the accident site. It loops back behind the accident site to French Pond Road and the Mountain Lakes community. So we are back to French Pond Road which was one of the streets that the police looked at.
Neil
Neil
At the MULTI-AGENCY CASE REVIEW MEETING it was stated that:
1. Very shortly after the accident had occurred, a passerby stopped and offered
assistance. Maura seemed to be uninjured, and refused assistance, and stated that
she had called Triple-A to come tow the vehicle. In fact there was no cell phone
coverage in that area and Triple-A was never called.
When the passerby stated that he was going to call local law enforcement to come
and assist, Maura pleaded with him not to call the police.
Investigators are also aware of some additional stresses that were occurring in
Mauras life at the time of these events to include a difficult long distance
relationship with her boyfriend in Oklahoma.
At the accident scene in Haverhill, there were no signs of any struggle, or any other
evidence, which would indicate that a crime had been committed.
At the time of Mauras disappearance, there was approx. 2 ½ feet of snow on the
ground. Searchers were able to easily distinguish deer and moose tracks in the
area, and the snow cover greatly assisted the searchers in eliminating possible
areas where Maura could have traveled off of the main roads in the area. The snow
greatly aided the search from the air, also due to the fact that any person who
would have wandered off the road and into the woods would have left a trail that
would readily be seen from the air.
To date, there have been 5 air searches with the New Hampshire State Police
Helicopter.
There have been searches with Bloodhounds or K-9 search and rescue teams in
the area surrounding the accident site on at least 4 separate occasions.
The area in and around the accident scene has been extensively searched on the
ground. This effort has been co-coordinated by the New Hampshire Fish and Game
Department, which is charged with all search and rescue efforts in New Hampshire.
State, local and Federal law enforcement agencies have been involved in the
investigation into the disappearance of Maura Murray.
2. Investigators believe that Maura was headed for an unknown destination and may
have accepted a ride in order to continue to that location.
If she accepted a ride to another destination then there should be a video of it somewhere. Most businesses have camera systems that can pick things up. She was headed toward Lincoln which has a considerable amount of businesses some with cameras. This is the location of the Loon Mountain Ski resort.
If they jumped on RT.93 then there are cameras on the road used for weather. I'm sure someone could look at those to see if there were any vehicles that jumped on I-93 shortly after the accident. The I-93 on ramp is just before Lincoln on 112.
Neil
1. Very shortly after the accident had occurred, a passerby stopped and offered
assistance. Maura seemed to be uninjured, and refused assistance, and stated that
she had called Triple-A to come tow the vehicle. In fact there was no cell phone
coverage in that area and Triple-A was never called.
When the passerby stated that he was going to call local law enforcement to come
and assist, Maura pleaded with him not to call the police.
Investigators are also aware of some additional stresses that were occurring in
Mauras life at the time of these events to include a difficult long distance
relationship with her boyfriend in Oklahoma.
At the accident scene in Haverhill, there were no signs of any struggle, or any other
evidence, which would indicate that a crime had been committed.
At the time of Mauras disappearance, there was approx. 2 ½ feet of snow on the
ground. Searchers were able to easily distinguish deer and moose tracks in the
area, and the snow cover greatly assisted the searchers in eliminating possible
areas where Maura could have traveled off of the main roads in the area. The snow
greatly aided the search from the air, also due to the fact that any person who
would have wandered off the road and into the woods would have left a trail that
would readily be seen from the air.
To date, there have been 5 air searches with the New Hampshire State Police
Helicopter.
There have been searches with Bloodhounds or K-9 search and rescue teams in
the area surrounding the accident site on at least 4 separate occasions.
The area in and around the accident scene has been extensively searched on the
ground. This effort has been co-coordinated by the New Hampshire Fish and Game
Department, which is charged with all search and rescue efforts in New Hampshire.
State, local and Federal law enforcement agencies have been involved in the
investigation into the disappearance of Maura Murray.
2. Investigators believe that Maura was headed for an unknown destination and may
have accepted a ride in order to continue to that location.
If she accepted a ride to another destination then there should be a video of it somewhere. Most businesses have camera systems that can pick things up. She was headed toward Lincoln which has a considerable amount of businesses some with cameras. This is the location of the Loon Mountain Ski resort.
If they jumped on RT.93 then there are cameras on the road used for weather. I'm sure someone could look at those to see if there were any vehicles that jumped on I-93 shortly after the accident. The I-93 on ramp is just before Lincoln on 112.
Neil
If you scroll down near the bottom of the page in the following link you will see the webcam for RT.112. It gives a pretty clear shot of the road.
This webcam is on Main St (Kancamagus Highway) in Lincoln, New Hampshire Route 112, facing East.
http://www.nhtourguide.com/live_web_cam_nh.htm
Neil
This webcam is on Main St (Kancamagus Highway) in Lincoln, New Hampshire Route 112, facing East.
http://www.nhtourguide.com/live_web_cam_nh.htm
Neil
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