justthinkin
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Thank you, Legacy, yes, that's the one I needed.
From Hurricane's Time line: Time unknown, Wed. Aug. 9th. Nancy Mosley and Linda Lou Roberts witnessed a light colored 1956 Chevrolet pass by slowly three or four times as they walked down Church St. toward the beach. She described the driver as middle aged, husky with dark hair.
Fri. Aug. 11th. 6:00 – 6:30 p.m. Linda Lou Roberts witnessed an elderly man in a 1956 Chevrolet drive passed her house at 303 E. Church and stared. He wore a white tee shirt and had dark hair. He appeared to be husky with broad shoulders.
Fri. Aug. 11th. 9:00 p.m. Linda Lou Roberts witnessed the two girls walking west past her house at 303 E. Church St. Roberts stated that an elderly man in a 1956 Chevrolet, light colored (possibly cream colored) 2-dr. sedan with NM plates drove passed her house about 3 times, each time slowing down to watch the girls sitting in the front yard.
5:30 a.m. Aug 12th. Bill Smith driving back by the Artesia highway area sees a 1955 Chev. (pink over white) parked on Sitting Bull Falls Rd. with someone sleeping inside. LE believes that the colors may be somewhat off but that it is likely the same car that A.W. Craft saw that morning.
note: I doubt that Bill Smith could really confirm the color of the car he saw at that time of morning.
8:30 a.m. Aug. 12th. A.W. Craft drives back by the Artesia highway area and sees a 1955 Ford (light color two-tone cream).
9:30 a.m. Aug 13th. Willie Dee Blair and Bill Melton leave to go fishing. Melton is driving a 1956 Ford.
note: One of the things that occurs to me is that there are car afficionadoes, who know exactly what they're seeing and then there people who are less interested in cars, car makes, design, engine size, cubic feet displacement. Were either Craft or Smith known to be an auto enthusiast or work at a dealership or auto repair shop? We need to know if a job or hobby makes one man a more credible witness of the vehicle that was seen than the other.
In the above portions of the time line, Linda Lou Roberts switches from seeing a middle aged, husky built man to an elderly, husky built man. I seriously doubt she saw a middle aged man one day, and an elderly man two days later driving a car with the same description as the first one she saw. She also describes the car as a 2 door sedan. This is incorrect. 2 doors are coupes. 4doors are sedans. I would venture to say, she doesn't know cars all that well.
Her reports indicate an unknown male was cruising the area and watching and following young girls. This is how serial killers behave. They cruise an area looking for potential victims.
Where is the witness statement for Nancy Moseley? Was one taken? Surely if LE said both girls witnessed the male circling them, they would've gotten a statement from both girls.
On another note, would Linda Lou have known DB on sight or have known him personally or from school? Is she still living? If so, it would be great to hear from her own lips which she saw, a middle aged man or an elderly man. The reason we need to hear it from her is that her account could have been changed deliberately by someone other than herself if you KWIM.
Proudsolver - from the Estrada investigation, page 9 - "Mr. Bunnell when asked if the girls sounded frightened at the time the contact was made stated that they didn't sound to be frightened." This means they knew the person in the car or at least were comfortable and there was no struggle.
I have a question. Was there more than one potash mine, and did it or they operate 24 hours a day with workers coming on in shifts?
Good points, justthinkin. Could it be that the stalker disguised himself on different days and times through the use of a wig (toupee), glasses, facial hair, change of clothing, etc. to throw the investigation off and to make himself appear younger (and possibly safer, more attractive, etc.) to his would be victims until he could get them under his control? If he lurked under the shadows of night, from within a car, and in the shadows of buildings and out of the spotlight, a disguise is not out of the question.
I can visualize someone capable of inflicting this type of torture and pain on young, helpless victims as having a whole duffel bag, briefcase, car trunk, etc. of "tools of the trade." If no workable male DNA is found elsewhere, the fingernail scrapings are of utmost importance. Perhaps this was not about sex, but about fear, control, torture and murder - a different kind of release for the killer. Any of the girls' injuries could have been inflicted with a savvy killer's arsenal of torture/murder weapons. This was a very evil, sick individual indeed.
I'm most anxious to get more information from the Nichols family...I've also wondered if Nichols possibly had access to his daughter's, grandson's, etc. vehicles while he was in town. Also, I'm wondering how they can be sure the '53 vehicle would be the one he was driving at this time. I imagine he would have owned several vehicles throughout his lifetime. I'm sure they can clarify this and other questions we all have.
Above: "an elderly man wearing a white tee shirt...." worth noting - again.
Good points, justthinkin. Could it be that the stalker disguised himself on different days and times through the use of a wig (toupee), glasses, facial hair, change of clothing, etc. to throw the investigation off and to make himself appear younger (and possibly safer, more attractive, etc.) to his would be victims until he could get them under his control? If he lurked under the shadows of night, from within a car, and in the shadows of buildings and out of the spotlight, a disguise is not out of the question.
I can visualize someone capable of inflicting this type of torture and pain on young, helpless victims as having a whole duffel bag, briefcase, car trunk, etc. of "tools of the trade." If no workable male DNA is found elsewhere, the fingernail scrapings are of utmost importance. Perhaps this was not about sex, but about fear, control, torture and murder - a different kind of release for the killer. Any of the girls' injuries could have been inflicted with a savvy killer's arsenal of torture/murder weapons. This was a very evil, sick individual indeed.
I'm most anxious to get more information from the Nichols family...I've also wondered if Nichols possibly had access to his daughter's, grandson's, etc. vehicles while he was in town. Also, I'm wondering how they can be sure the '53 vehicle would be the one he was driving at this time. I imagine he would have owned several vehicles throughout his lifetime. I'm sure they can clarify this and other questions we all have.
Above: "an elderly man wearing a white tee shirt...." worth noting - again.
Back then there were about 5 or 6 potash mines in Eddy County that worked 24/7. The mines were from 18 miles to about 70 miles from Carlsbad and some had a bus service. Back in the 50's and 60's in a school classroom of 30 kids, 90% of the dads worked at the mines, and 5% of the moms worked out there. There seemed to be a hierarchy of miner's kids to say where there dad worked (some kids were prouder to say, "My dad works at IMCC," and some one else would say, "so what, My dad used to --but now he works at PCA and he gets to go to Canada a lot.")
Since PCA and other mines had projects in Canada at the same time.
Some of the mine's names back then were Potash Company of America, International Mineral and Chemical Company, Duval, Southwest Potash, Borax...I can't remember the other names. Someone help me here
When I talked with Gay Nell earlier...she did say Nichols wore white Tee Shirts most of the time and he did appear younger than his age.
Still haven't been able to get hold of her...but I will try later .....
Wasn't Nichols the guy that had "scratches on his face"? Would fingernail scrapings still be in evidence today or were they "compromised by mice" as LE stated about some of the evidence? I do agree with *Legacy* that a devious killer could certainly disguise their appearance, it happens all the time.
I found a 1955 Ford color sample page of all the colors available that year but can't get it on here to display, I'll try again.
Legacy, I don't want to double quote you from the last post you made on Nichols, but if I were a teen girl, and saw some older creep following me and my girlfriends, then saw him a second day, I think I'd remember him well enough to know it was the same man and well enough to know he was in a disguise the second go round. At which point, I would call the police and alert them to his presence.
Surely she had to connect both her sightings to the same man since she described him as husky, and driving the same type of car both times.
Legacy, oh yes, we were warned, and I can remember several instances of announcements over the loud speakers at school in regards to someone suspiciously cruising the school grounds.
We were coached to not talk to strangers. Granted we didn't have near the idea back then of just how many predators were running around, but I know I was made aware of such things.
There were no computers so most of us of that era spent more time outside on bicycles or walking to friends houses. You don't see kids on bicycles these days. They're all holed up in their houses on computers.