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The DoeNetwork file says Jane Doe has DNA available but her entry hasn’t been updated since 2018 so that can’t be a recent addition.

How would Jane Doe have DNA available if they can’t find her grave? DNA wasn’t in use in 1974.
 
Melt71 said:
The DoeNetwork file says Jane Doe has DNA available but her entry hasn’t been updated since 2018 so that can’t be a recent addition.

How would Jane Doe have DNA available if they can’t find her grave? DNA wasn’t in use in 1974.
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In many older cases, they've been able to find retained samples in the medical examiner's offices or cold case storage. Sometimes they retain teeth or hair. Sometimes the lower jaw if there are dental identifiers. Often there's a blood sample and there may also be slides with tissue samples taken from the decedent's organs. I remember one case where they were able to use bloodstains they found on the saved clothing. There was a case in Utah where the decedent was identified from a couple of strands of hair clinging to the box her stuff had been stored in.

And the report of not being able to find her grave is pretty old. It's entirely possible that they found it with further investigation and we just didn't hear about it.
 
Hi, I was the boyfriend of Nadine went she went missing, I had two Michigan State Police cold case Detectives visit me last fall and they told me that they thought Nadine’s Disappearance was Solvable so I Hope and Pray that after almost 50 years we find out What happened to her, Nadine you will NEVER be Forgotten…… Promise!!!
 
Frank57 said:
Hi, I was the boyfriend of Nadine went she went missing, I had two Michigan State Police cold case Detectives visit me last fall and they told me that they thought Nadine’s Disappearance was Solvable so I Hope and Pray that after almost 50 years we find out What happened to her, Nadine you will NEVER be Forgotten…… Promise!!!
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Hoping you get more answers.. Keeping Nadine in my thoughts.
 
I'm not seeing her as Nadine O'Dell either, FWIW



HmmMysterious said:
Way back in the beginning of July a now-deleted user posted this poster on Amy Billig's thread claiming this girl-young adult was her. Their posts were deleted, but I managed to save the poster. Websleuthers determined that the unknown person is actually this Jane Doe. I don't see a resemblance to Billig imo



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HmmMysterious said:
Way back in the beginning of July a now-deleted user posted this poster on Amy Billig's thread claiming this girl-young adult was her. Their posts were deleted, but I managed to save the poster. Websleuthers determined that the unknown person is actually this Jane Doe. I don't see a resemblance to Billig imo



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I wonder why they didn't take a portrait-style photo of her face from straight on.
 
victoriarobinson642 said:
I wonder why they didn't take a portrait-style photo of her face from straight on.
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They based the recon on her in situ side picture. It shows her profile best but of course all PMs are distorted due to postmortem change. She looks awfully young, id say not older than 20.
The transverse scar sounds like a csection scar, other abdominal surgeries were not done transverse back then.
The ring may be a wedding ring. Someone out there may have been told "oh your mom just ran away"....
 
HmmMysterious said:
Way back in the beginning of July a now-deleted user posted this poster on Amy Billig's thread claiming this girl-young adult was her. Their posts were deleted, but I managed to save the poster. Websleuthers determined that the unknown person is actually this Jane Doe. I don't see a resemblance to Billig imo



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I also saved this and contacted someone who had the case file from the medical examiner to confirm it’s actually her. Confirmed this press release poster is of this decedent. The person who has the case file has also confirmed that there are no straight on angles of her face.
 
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Hi everyone! I’m the person with Jane Doe’s case file.

So far I have her documents from office of the medical investigator, and some documents from the county sheriff. I’m waiting on responses from the city police department and state police. I’m not sure if anything will come of those requests.

I do think at one time they must’ve had head-on photographs of her and they may have been lost.

Also, referencing the possible c-section scar, the report says there’s no sutures or adhesions below the scar.<modsnip - not an approved source> If anyone knows of any medical examiners or pathologists or anyone who might know more of how to interpret the report, please contact me.
 
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LasDesaparecidas said:
Hi everyone! I’m the person with Jane Doe’s case file.

So far I have her documents from office of the medical investigator, and some documents from the county sheriff. I’m waiting on responses from the city police department and state police. I’m not sure if anything will come of those requests.

I do think at one time they must’ve had head-on photographs of her and they may have been lost.

Also, referencing the possible c-section scar, the report says there’s no sutures or adhesions below the scar. <modsnip> If anyone knows of any medical examiners or pathologists or anyone who might know more of how to interpret the report, please contact me.
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If she was already in the decomp process, internal adhesions can possibly already be invisible. Just a shallow, skin deep cut without cutting abdominal muscles seems strange because it is so long unless she had excess skin removed superficially, but that seems odd. We would need a picture of the scar.
 
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The photos on that flyer weren't of the best quality for a reconstruction, but I had to make-due with what was available. I had to make some severe adjustments to the tilt of her head, and I was able set the placement of her features by lining them up with the side-view photos. Here is what I came up with.

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CarlK90245 said:
The photos on that flyer weren't of the best quality for a reconstruction, but I had to make-due with what was available. I had to make some severe adjustments to the tilt of her head, and I was able set the placement of her features by lining them up with the side-view photos. Here is what I came up with.

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Wow that was fast Carl. Great reconstruction despite having to rely on low quality photos.
 
CarlK90245 said:
The photos on that flyer weren't of the best quality for a reconstruction, but I had to make-due with what was available. I had to make some severe adjustments to the tilt of her head, and I was able set the placement of her features by lining them up with the side-view photos. Here is what I came up with.

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Much better, great, thank you so much!

She has a very distinctive face, very soft, rounded, a bit "doll like" features. I hope DNA can be found and worked. She needs her name back.
I am still quite sure her transverse abdominal scar is a csection. One single section normally leaves just mild pelvic adhesions that are centered around the uterus and those can be easily missed with decomposition. The lower abdomen is the first body part for decomp to start since it starts from the bowel bacteria. It consumes small structures very quickly after death.
 
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