NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #10

[cujenn81]

After reviewing a lot of the 911 calls and BWC’s ( I say a lot, but really only about 20% of what is available) I strongly believe that everyone on the strip that night, including LE and including the dispatchers all believed it was a multiple shooter situation. Everyone! Up until at least midnight.

Also, I haven’t come across any reports of anyone actually seeing any shooters. But many many reports of people hearing shots long after the event at the concert. So just because nobody was shot at the other locations (how would we really know?...there were victims scattered all over) doesn’t mean there wasn’t anyone firing guns as a part of the attack in the manner that Gooddeeds described.

I read more than one police report where the officer went so far as to say that they were under the impression at the time that there were multiple shooters and that LV was under some type of Mumbai style attack.

 

[cujenn81]

there were at least two bodies far away

how someone gets that far away with a fatal gunshot wound is bizarre unless they were accidentally shot during the confusion making stuff

that does not count the black and white video of the lady who passed in the parking lot

here is video of a body in the lobby of the MB i hate LL but its video

Laura Loomer on Twitter

the carpet matches

I THINK I remember reading that those two bodies were being carted off by friends who were trying to get them to a hospital, but the friends were forced to abandon the bodies after they were declared dead.

 

[CoolJ]

So after watching and listening to a bunch more of the bodycams and 911 calls I am more intrigued by what I haven’t seen.

It is quite clear that after the events at the concert there was continued panic all up and down the strip. Or more precisely, incidents of panic. The released information is littered with reports of multiple shootings. Many reports are of witnesses saying they heard the shots up to an hour after the shooting at the concert.

There doesn’t appear to be anything released as of yet that explains how they ruled these shootings out.

People reported hearing shots. How did LVMPD confirm “negative shots fired”? Did these people hear something else? Wouldn’t that be investigated?

Also, how did they even rule out multiple shooters at the concert? There are many references to people confidently saying there were at least 2 shooters. You gotta rule this type of stuff out during a mass shooting, you would think.

Regardless, there is a whole other side to this event that we didn’t know about until now. That night, likely tens of thousands of terrified people thought they were in the middle of a multiple active shooter attack all up and down the strip. That is a story we never really heard about.


P.S - The good news is there is much more clarity surrounding the timeline inside the hotel including the final moments and immediate aftermath of the shooting on the floors inside Mandalay Bay.
But there is a blind spot between when Campos gets “shot” and the first officers arrive. All we have is his word.

 

[CARIIS]

I read more than one police report where the officer went so far as to say that they were under the impression at the time that there were multiple shooters and that LV was under some type of Mumbai style attack.

There were trained paramedics that called into dispatched reporting that they were under fire think paramedics know if they are being shot at or not moo

 

[CARIIS]

So after watching and listening to a bunch more of the bodycams and 911 calls I am more intrigued by what I haven’t seen.

It is quite clear that after the events at the concert there was continued panic all up and down the strip. Or more precisely, incidents of panic. The released information is littered with reports of multiple shootings. Many reports are of witnesses saying they heard the shots up to an hour after the shooting at the concert.

There doesn’t appear to be anything released as of yet that explains how they ruled these shootings out.

People reported hearing shots. How did LVMPD confirm “negative shots fired”? Did these people hear something else? Wouldn’t that be investigated?

Also, how did they even rule out multiple shooters at the concert? There are many references to people confidently saying there were at least 2 shooters. You gotta rule this type of stuff out during a mass shooting, you would think.

Regardless, there is a whole other side to this event that we didn’t know about until now. That night, likely tens of thousands of terrified people thought they were in the middle of a multiple active shooter attack all up and down the strip. That is a story we never really heard about.


P.S - The good news is there is much more clarity surrounding the timeline inside the hotel including the final moments and immediate aftermath of the shooting on the floors inside Mandalay Bay.
But there is a blind spot between when Campos gets “shot” and the first officers arrive. All we have is his word.

been blown away by JC sworn testimony that he never saw a food cart (and probably a reason he went MIA until they could tutor him for his ellen show)

that is more than revealing ...................

 

[CoolJ]

been blown away by JC sworn testimony that he never saw a food cart (and probably a reason he went MIA until they could tutor him for his ellen show)

that is more than revealing ...................

Well, the other thing that doesn’t make sense is that JC said he was shot with a pellet or .22. This is literally 12-15 minutes after Paddock supposedly fired an automatic weapon at him twice. How can you mistake an automatic weapon(what cops were describing as “belt fed”) for a pellet gun?

 

[2Hope4]

been blown away by JC sworn testimony that he never saw a food cart (and probably a reason he went MIA until they could tutor him for his ellen show)

that is more than revealing ...................

yeah, especially when the video shows the cops asking about the cart, and what it was!

Still so many unanswered questions. And why were the security, police, walking with their backs to the hall that the shooting was happening at? I know we don't hear any shots fired when watching the camera of the two cops that came in from outside, and up the elevator, and then after a bit, met with other officers. So presuming the shooting had stopped. But how did those LE know the person was dead, and wasn't just reloading, or changing positions, etc? And assuming they thought it was more than one shooter....how did they feel safe standing in direct line of fire?

 

[KaaBoom]

Well, the other thing that doesn’t make sense is that JC said he was shot with a pellet or .22. This is literally 12-15 minutes after Paddock supposedly fired an automatic weapon at him twice. How can you mistake an automatic weapon(what cops were describing as “belt fed”) for a pellet gun?

He was hit by shrapnel. But at that point he didn't know what he was hit with. He knew he obviously hadn't taken a direct hit from a .223 bullet, or his injury would have been much worse. So his best guess was that he was hit by a pellet. Yes, that doesn't make a lot of sense, but right after you have been shot at, most people are not thinking that that clearly.

 

[KaaBoom]

I read more than one police report where the officer went so far as to say that they were under the impression at the time that there were multiple shooters and that LV was under some type of Mumbai style attack.

That is what the dispatchers were telling them, based on reports they were getting.

 

[CoolJ]

He was hit by shrapnel. But at that point he didn't know what he was hit with. He knew he obviously hadn't taken a direct hit from a .223 bullet, or his injury would have been much worse. So his best guess was that he was hit by a pellet. Yes, that doesn't make a lot of sense, but right after you have been shot at, most people are not thinking that that clearly.

BBM
True. Most people would be in shock and in panic mode.

 

[Gooddeeds]

BBM
True. Most people would be in shock and in panic mode.

I hope his hospital records are subpoenaed. How would we know otherwise? According to the first round of talk from JL, Campos injury was very serious. ‘He was a true hero because he continued to assist others while bleeding from his gunshot wound’

 

[CARIIS]

Well, the other thing that doesn’t make sense is that JC said he was shot with a pellet or .22. This is literally 12-15 minutes after Paddock supposedly fired an automatic weapon at him twice. How can you mistake an automatic weapon(what cops were describing as “belt fed”) for a pellet gun?

on this angle how does one get shot and there is no blood

in the body cam there there is no blood

if one is able to hang out at the scene why wks two later does he suddenly supposedly need urgent care *( the interview escape scene)_ at a facility that gives out the flu shot typically

if ya dont need medical intervention right after two weeks later the need for urgent care makes no sense at all unless of course you were told you are doing any real interviews leave now while they are in the other room he was told to leave and vanish for a bit longer

The only conclusion one can up with as it relates to the appearing food cart was it was set up in the time frame LE was strolling drinking urinating snacking and crawling around unrelated floors

 

[CARIIS]

yeah, especially when the video shows the cops asking about the cart, and what it was!

Still so many unanswered questions. And why were the security, police, walking with their backs to the hall that the shooting was happening at? I know we don't hear any shots fired when watching the camera of the two cops that came in from outside, and up the elevator, and then after a bit, met with other officers. So presuming the shooting had stopped. But how did those LE know the person was dead, and wasn't just reloading, or changing positions, etc? And assuming they thought it was more than one shooter....how did they feel safe standing in direct line of fire?

they did that on multiple times during this urgent crisis they could not get in told it was ok to enter scene set up bullets placed cart out etc etc

upon entering noone seemed at all concerned about preserving the crime scene you can hear them clearly lifting up and tossing down machine guns it looked like a cocktail party after a bit lots of cops standing in room chit and chatting while chaos reigns floors below

 

[CARIIS]

Well, the other thing that doesn’t make sense is that JC said he was shot with a pellet or .22. This is literally 12-15 minutes after Paddock supposedly fired an automatic weapon at him twice. How can you mistake an automatic weapon(what cops were describing as “belt fed”) for a pellet gun?

and who is playing around with pellet guns in this situation I suppose however if i HAS to have a little boo boo i would rather have a pellet gun than a machine gun but that might just be me give me a break

none of these folks better be hoping for a career in screenwriting

 

[CARIIS]

BBM
True. Most people would be in shock and in panic mode.

Unless it part of the scenario defies logic that he was allowed to hang out and watch the action there still could have been grave danger

the dudes in the yellow shirts just hang around for ages in the elevator banks during the body cams

me if there might some guns running around with machine guns my preference would not to be hang out on the floor

in training stuff there is a lot of hanging out while others do their practice part

 

[Gooddeeds]

on this angle how does one get shot and there is no blood

in the body cam there there is no blood

if one is able to hang out at the scene why wks two later does he suddenly supposedly need urgent care *( the interview escape scene)_ at a facility that gives out the flu shot typically

if ya dont need medical intervention right after two weeks later the need for urgent care makes no sense at all unless of course you were told you are doing any real interviews leave now while they are in the other room he was told to leave and vanish for a bit longer

The only conclusion one can up with as it relates to the appearing food cart was it was set up in the time frame LE was strolling drinking urinating snacking and crawling around unrelated floors

JC was already a massive problem for cover up and I’m thinking that his injury which was neglected for ‘an hour and a half’ compounded it. There is the lack of emergency response to an employee factor as well as LE not taking it seriously enough to act on.

This explains the intentional exaggerated use of HERO throughout. You can see it in the officers reports. The agency apparently got sucked into the hype, so they decide to throw a Hero party because it’s free and ‘good’ press. Somewhere in here it gets complicated because I imagine JC telling the agency in truth what happened didn’t sit well with LE because it didn’t fit their story. Now the timeline starts to unravel and panic ensues.

I’m curious if the Agency got bullied and threatened into silence with the license issue. I can see them caving to that especially coming from the big players.

Unfortunately JC didn’t have any backup in the way of retaining legal action (That’s a missed opportunity for an attorney somewhere, but much bigger missed for JC).
So he takes the package offered to him to never appear again. He may have gone to Mexico to have a quick chat with someone there for the sake of good measure. ‘Take the money and run...run right back here with us...and life will be good’. That sorta chat (my thoughts only).

LE then writes the story they want, regardless of the holes and the spinning lies to cover them up.

To date I haven’t seen the hospital records for JC. I think that would be telling of what his injury source was. An X-ray would most likely show us something. For whatever reason though it works against the story we are being told.

 

[Gooddeeds]

On page 142 who is the security guard they found who was armed with no credentials or identification? If I knew this, I forgot.

On page 68 it reads that personnel was quickly gathered back together and medical treatment was administered ‘swiftly’.

“People like the HERO-FIRST RESPONDING SECURITY GUARD were located within the thousands of patrons, gathered and eventually reunited...”

“Medical care was swiftly provided to personnel ‘INCLUDING THE HERO SECURITY GUARD’ who had been shot as well as others in need”

Why would they refer to him as HERO in a business as usual type of report? As opposed to ‘security guard-first contact’ or whatever the appropriate industry lingo is? If that isn’t obvious...

*business as usual* as in their customary written reports, not as in Massacre is biz as usual.

 

[CARIIS]

JC was already a massive problem for cover up and I’m thinking that his injury which was neglected for ‘an hour and a half’ compounded it. There is the lack of emergency response to an employee factor as well as LE not taking it seriously enough to act on.

This explains the intentional exaggerated use of HERO throughout. You can see it in the officers reports. The agency apparently got sucked into the hype, so they decide to throw a Hero party because it’s free and ‘good’ press. Somewhere in here it gets complicated because I imagine JC telling the agency in truth what happened didn’t sit well with LE because it didn’t fit their story. Now the timeline starts to unravel and panic ensues.

I’m curious if the Agency got bullied and threatened into silence with the license issue. I can see them caving to that especially coming from the big players.

Unfortunately JC didn’t have any backup in the way of retaining legal action (That’s a missed opportunity for an attorney somewhere, but much bigger missed for JC).
So he takes the package offered to him to never appear again. He may have gone to Mexico to have a quick chat with someone there for the sake of good measure. ‘Take the money and run...run right back here with us...and life will be good’. That sorta chat (my thoughts only).

LE then writes the story they want, regardless of the holes and the spinning lies to cover them up.

To date I haven’t seen the hospital records for JC. I think that would be telling of what his injury source was. An X-ray would most likely show us something. For whatever reason though it works against the story we are being told.

I never graped the hero stuff at all all i knew that night was a ton of people were machine gunned to death where is a hero even before the time change

a wounded rent a cop a hero what did he do heros DO something!!

The only thing he did was vanish while the engineer was david copperfield who only appeared a month later - that blew my mind when all of a sudden there was another human being 10 feet from JC please !

there is a reason a dude who looks talks and acts like an fbi cia dude is kept out of public domain until it accidently came out there was not one word mentioned about him being there for weeks - weeks all behavior has meaning !!

 

[Gooddeeds]

I never graped the hero stuff at all all i knew that night was a ton of people were machine gunned to death where is a hero even before the time change

a wounded rent a cop a hero what did he do heros DO something!!

The only thing he did was vanish while the engineer was david copperfield who only appeared a month later - that blew my mind when all of a sudden there was another human being 10 feet from JC please !

there is a reason a dude who looks talks and acts like an fbi cia dude is kept out of public domain until it accidently came out there was not one word mentioned about him being there for weeks - weeks all behavior has meaning !!

Yes the coiffed ‘building engineer’. Where is his statement in the documents? I’m about half way through reading.

 

[CARIIS]

Yes the coiffed ‘building engineer’. Where is his statement in the documents? I’m about half way through reading.

put some shades on and ya got a department head

none of em have any SM -- I noticed that pretty early on