NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #2

[oceanblueeyes]

The Nevada state monitoring report also noted that Winkler prescribed 50 10-milligram tablets of diazepam to Paddock in 2016. He also filled that prescription the day it was written, this time at Evergreen Drugs in Henderson. It was for two tablets a day.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local...shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

A 2015 study published in World Psychiatry of 960 Finnish adults and teens convicted of homicide showed that their odds of killing were 45 percent higher during time periods when they were on benzodiazepines.

I have a very hard time believing he did this due to an adverse reaction with drugs.

But I don't take any prescription drugs so my knowledge of their side affects are minimal at best.

Has any defendant ever won a case when they claimed a certain type of drug made them murder? Wouldn't MD see the drastic change in him?

 

[bears10]

Oh thanks. My own hubby is an avid gun collector with many handed down to him by his father and grandfather, but he doesn't have near this amount of firearms. Nor would he ever buy that many, period, and he certainly wouldn't even buy that many in a year's time.

The last firearm he bought was in December 2014 when he purchased a new handgun for me to have for protection.

Even if SP started in October of 2016 that is still a tremendous about of firearm purchases even if it stretched through that time now. That would be approximately three firearm purchases per month.

Now we need to know what happened in Oct. 2016 or close in time to make him start amassing more and more firearms than ever before.

IMO

I don’t know much about guns bc I’m in a very blue state but I also think that’s a LOT of guns for one year.

Kind of off topic but his brother was really quiet today in comparison to the previous couple of days. I say this bc his brother said in the 33 min interview that SP may have bought the bump stocks but prob didn’t use them and they were prob still in the bag. However today it’s crystal clear he did use them.

 

[Betty P]

Could very well be. The sheriff seems to think he couldn’t have gotten all of the weapons up without help so at this point I dont know what to think. What’s making me hesitant about the first report is that the “Hispanic woman” also had a “Hispanic male companion” with her

I wouldn’t be surprised if killer generously tipped someone to help him or something

JMO, it's possible he tipped someone at the hotel to help him carry the bags, etc. upstairs. Sheriff seemed to think, though, that someone else had to help him plan all the details. It took a long time to plan and coordinate.

Interesting a reporter asked the Sheriff about the note in one of the photos written on yellow paper. Sheriff acknowledged it sort of, but said it wasn't a suicide note. Could have been notes to himself about how to carry out his plans, manage all the weapons he was using.

 

[popsicle]

Did he only fill it that one time? Sorry but this is frustrating for someone who’s life is normal because of medication such as Valium. The article makes it like he had it prescribed that one time in 2016 and then again this year. Also FWIW that article was modified and I do not remember reading 2016 this morning.

I read it this morning and that is what it said.

Also this:

“If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive,” said Dr. Mel Pohl, chief medical officer of the Las Vegas Recovery Center. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.”

 

[bears10]

I have a very hard time believing he did this due to an adverse reaction with drugs.

But I don't take any prescription drugs so my knowledge of their side affects are minimal at best.

Has any defendant ever won a case when they claimed a certain type of drug made them murder? Wouldn't MD see the drastic change in him?

I’ve taken more prescription pills than I’m proud of, not all of them prescribed to me. The only drug I could see causing me to do something out of my control is ambien, and I certainly wouldn’t have stockpiled guns for a year. I cleaned my parents toilet at 1am in my sleep while my sister and mom laughed their asses off. But I know I am going to be met with people telling me we all react differently and site the one incident that may or may not be related to benzos

 

[dizzychick]

You guys should watch ' Owning Mahoney" a great movie with Phillip Seymore Hoffman if you want to know how a casino deals with a high roller . I believe this was the casino in Atlantic City outside of New York. Dont want to spoil it for anyone but you will find the casino behavior appauling

 

[bluesneakers]

Do certain medicines raise murder risk?

Both Manevitz and First said it makes sense that benzodiazepines, used for anxiety and insomnia, were associated with an increased risk of homicide. The study showed an elevated risk, at 45 percent. The risk was doubled for people under age 26. That's because the drugs can have "disinhibiting" effects on the brain, which means a person's usual impulse control may be lessened.

For someone who already struggles with controlling aggression, that could be dangerous, Manevitz said.

First noted that the sedatives are already known to carry serious risks, including dependence if they're used long-term. They've also been linked to dementia in older adults.

I wonder what prompted him to seek help, and if he ever saw a psychiatrist for his issues.

I think there's a huge difference between become violent while taking a medicine and what SP did. This wasn't because he took Valium.

 

[popsicle]

I have a very hard time believing he did this due to an adverse reaction with drugs.

But I don't take any prescription drugs so my knowledge of their side affects are minimal at best.

Has any defendant ever won a case when they claimed a certain type of drug made them murder? Wouldn't MD see the drastic change in him?

I don't think it was either ... but it shows something was going on within him and in his life.

 

[Ambitioned]

I’ve taken more prescription pills than I’m proud of, not all of them prescribed to me. The only drug I could see causing me to do something out of my control is ambien, and I certainly wouldn’t have stockpiled guns for a year. I cleaned my parents toilet at 1am in my sleep while my sister and mom laughed their asses off. But I know I am going to be met with people telling me we all react differently and site the one incident that may or may not be related to benzos

I wouldn't laugh. I'd be thanking you for cleaning the toilet.

 

[bears10]

I don't think it was either ... but it shows something was going on within him and in his life.

It could be a lot of things. I took Valium for my back spasms, my dad takes it for his anxiety due to 50 years of alcoholism, and my sister takes xanax (not Valium but a similar benzo) for her anxiety. I also have been prescribed benzos to bring me down at night bc my daytime ADHD meds make me wired. There could be a host of reasons he was prescribed the meds.

Remember, gambling is an addiction. Keeping it vague but I’m sure you can pick up what I’m putting down.

 

[thesensitivechild]

Once I made a cake on ambien and got to lazy to wait for it to finish cooking and took it out and ate almost all of it and then my mother came down and almost fainted because she was disturbed by the site. I also once texted someone saying "poo poo caca poops" when on ambien. Lolz. I've taken it since but nothing happens. I don't even sleep... mind you those stories are from ten years ago.


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[bears10]

I wouldn't laugh. I'd be thanking you for cleaning the toilet.

They may have thanked me but I don’t remember it happened like 10 years ago and I’ll never live it down lol

 

[bears10]

Once I made a cake on ambien and got to lazy to wait for it to finish cooking and took it out and ate almost all of it and then my mother came down and almost fainted because she was disturbed by the site. I also once texted someone saying "poo poo caca poops" when on ambien. Lolz. I've taken it since but nothing happens. I don't even sleep... mind you those stories are from ten years ago.


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You are brave to even look thru your ambien texts lol. I’m laughing out loud at poo poo caca poops and wondering if your from the NE bc I never really hear anyone say caca besides where I’m from. I’ve done more than clean the toilet but WS is kind of PG13 so I thought that was the most appropriate story to tell 😂. And in your defensive cake batter is awesome so there’s that

 

[dizzychick]

He could have been an expert in money laundering for cartels, drug kingpins, etc. Real estate investments and casino gambling are very common ways to launder money.

The Feds and state AG had been cracking down on money laundering in Vegas in the last few years. Could be he was close to getting busted, knew he would end up in prison and decided to go out on his own terms. The people for whom he laundered money could have seen him becoming a liability due to Fed investigations. He would know that they might kill him to keep him from talking to the Feds. Either way, if this is what he was doing, he might have realized his life was over.

The Fed busts of Las Vegas casinos and gamblers involved in money laundering began about 3 yrs ago.

https://calvinayre.com/2013/08/28/casino/las-vegas-sands-fined-47m-dodgy-money-transfers/

It would take them a while to arrest people and ferret out information about all the other players, bosses, etc. Paddock purchased over 30 assault weapons in the last year, so something began back then. He also quickly moved out of Reno at that time. My online research is turning up more information about money laundering in Reno, so I'll save that for another post.

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2016/...l-investigation-into-nugget-settled/82677746/

But, yeah, he was feeling the heat for something beginning a year ago. Being involved in money laundering during a Fed crackdown could make his life pretty risky, hence him feeling the need for lots of guns, ammo and explosives. If you're a money launderer, your bosses likely have high quotas for the amount of funds you need to launder for them. If casinos get busted or are under the scope of the IRS, the money launderer has to search around to find new places and schemes to launder money. Makes the job much more difficult and risky. Organized crime bosses are not reluctant to dispose of a money launderer who is at risk of becoming a liability due to LE investigation and risky behavior.

Will check out and post more on money laundering in Reno. It looks pretty extensive and big. Some is tax haven stuff, some is true money laundering.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-favorite-new-tax-haven-is-the-united-states

good post! im just too simple minded and honest to absorb or even understand how all of this works and I loathe math and criminals lol

 

[bears10]

Do certain medicines raise murder risk?



I wonder what prompted him to seek help, and if he ever saw a psychiatrist for his issues.

I think there's a huge difference between become violent while taking a medicine and what SP did. This wasn't because he took Valium.

I will not be surprised if it comes out that he was in major financial problems bc of his gambling. I’ve never come across anyone or so much as read about anyone who can sustain a millionaire lifestyle by gambling on SLOTS of all things. Poker or blackjack would be wayyyy more reasonable. But slots? Come on. Not realistic at all IMO and this is coming from someone who loves to play slots.

I have to be honest it seems kind of awkward and cringey to say that you’re a professional gambler... people assume poker or blackjack ... then you respond “oh no, video poker and slots”. Cringe.

 

[katydid23]

-The woman ‘everyone is going to die’ story was debunked late Monday. Its posted somewhere MSM.

YES, didn't a journalist contact security services at the stadium, and they were told that 'no such thing ever happened'---regarding them escorting a woman out of the concert after making threats etc. I remember that article, posted upstream here somewhere.

 

[mrsu]

Nephew Patrick is shocked

http://www.wjr.com/2017/10/04/las-vegas-shooters-nephew-in-michigan-im-shocked/

 

[popsicle]

YES, didn't a journalist contact security services at the stadium, and they were told that 'no such thing ever happened'---regarding them escorting a woman out of the concert after making threats etc. I remember that article, posted upstream here somewhere.

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[katydid23]

I read it this morning and that is what it said.

Also this:

“If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive,” said Dr. Mel Pohl, chief medical officer of the Las Vegas Recovery Center. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.”

That is interesting because I have seen that with pot too. Growing up in Berkeley in the 60's, we smoked our share of weed growing up. And through the years...:blush:...

IN the majority of cases, smoking a joint with someone makes everyone feel relaxed, makes them laugh a lot, and then want to eat something before taking a nap.

But occasionally, we'd run into someone who got angry and aggressive when they smoked. And I always kept my distance from them, because it seemed like there were underlying issues, in those cases.

 

[jjenny]

That is interesting because I have seen that with pot too. Growing up in Berkeley in the 60's, we smoked our share of weed growing up. And through the years...:blush:...

IN the majority of cases, smoking a joint with someone makes everyone feel relaxed, makes them laugh a lot, and then want to eat something before taking a nap.

But occasionally, we'd run into someone who got angry and aggressive when they smoked. And I always kept my distance from them, because it seemed like there were underlying issues, in those cases.

Being angry and aggressive could cause someone to get into fights, not meticulously plan mass murder.