NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #2

[Kano]

Any casino I worked for wouldn't let employees gamble and me as a contractor could not gamble and if I remember had to wait 6 months to go to that casino after not working for them. I'm not a gambler so I don't remember the exact time limit.

 

[margarita25]

There are some pieces I'm still confused about.

Paraphrasing here, need full transcript, but for now, the the female witness in the blue shirt celebrating her 21st birthday said via interview with a reporter that she and her companion(s) left and went back to their hotel about 10 or 15 minutes before the shooting because she felt uncomfortable about the woman saying they were all going to die. She said his woman was also harassing another woman in front of her with similar words. As I understand it she, the person being interviewed, notified security because it was making her and others uncomfortable and they escorted the female out. When asked, she gave a description that they were both hispanic, gave their approx heights and basically said they just looked like average people. She also said she wasn't sure if the female was saying this to warn them , or if she was saying it like she was part of it.

So, how did this woman know people were going to die?

Has security or the other woman commented on this, etc?

 

[wantjustice]

Interesting post about the hospitals and doctors handling this tragedy:

As he looked at the full beds and patients “packed and stacked in the hallways,” he shifted into triage mode, asking himself “Who’s dying first?” and who could he save.

“We started divvying them up, taking them to the operating room and doing what’s called ‘damage control surgery,’ where you’re not definitively repairing everything,” Coates, a medical profession of two decades, recalled. “You are just stopping the dying.”

Thank you first responders!


http://www.kgw.com/ext/news/nation-...he-dying/283/nationnow/6gHhLxOUcEkmcsCaoW2cuI

 

[CARIIS]

I am often surprised when things like this happen that there is foften a buzz about how the perp got a weapon - its illegal or something like that.

People are not supposed to have heroin and they do.

People without driver licenses drive

not supposed to rob banks yet they do

sholift

car jack

etce etc

 

[CARIIS]

“She is an Australian citizen who was born in the Philippines, according to the Australian newspaper.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock/724018001/#

According MSNBC they have talked to her -- I am surprised we have not heard if their relatinship soured or she was there to visit family or something

imo marital status is important in possibly providing suicidal motivation.

It does seem as if he was ready to die apparently his flying thro money seemed to escalate in the last several weeks.

Why have a retirement home if he basically stayed in Los Vegas most of the time?

Can you gamble where his retirement home is?

For some reason his millionaire status seems somewhat bogus to me not sure to me

I wonder if this hotel was his fav or only selected cause of the concert.

I saw a clip of video from inside the hallway and swat and the smoke alarms were blaring so that makes sense in terms of helping them locate the room

Eiffel tower went dark

used hammer like thing to break windows

have some of you heard of the headliner that was performing>

Was he big in the field?



msnbc

 

[SilkySifaka]

According MSNBC they have talked to her -- I am surprised we have not heard if their relatinship soured or she was there to visit family or something

imo marital status is important in possibly providing suicidal motivation.

It does seem as if he was ready to die apparently his flying thro money seemed to escalate in the last several weeks.

Why have a retirement home if he basically stayed in Los Vegas most of the time?

Can you gamble where his retirement home is?

For some reason his millionaire status seems somewhat bogus to me not sure to me

I wonder if this hotel was his fav or only selected cause of the concert.

I saw a clip of video from inside the hallway and swat and the smoke alarms were blaring so that makes sense in terms of helping them locate the room

Eiffel tower went dark

used hammer like thing to break windows

have some of you heard of the headliner that was performing>

Was he big in the field?



msnbc

He just won entertainer of the year


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[popsicle]

According MSNBC they have talked to her -- I am surprised we have not heard if their relatinship soured or she was there to visit family or something

imo marital status is important in possibly providing suicidal motivation.

It does seem as if he was ready to die apparently his flying thro money seemed to escalate in the last several weeks.

Why have a retirement home if he basically stayed in Los Vegas most of the time?

Can you gamble where his retirement home is?

For some reason his millionaire status seems somewhat bogus to me not sure to me

I wonder if this hotel was his fav or only selected cause of the concert.

I saw a clip of video from inside the hallway and swat and the smoke alarms were blaring so that makes sense in terms of helping them locate the room

Eiffel tower went dark

used hammer like thing to break windows

have some of you heard of the headliner that was performing>

Was he big in the field?



msnbc

They have talked to her but not interviewed her yet. She was in Tokyo.

 

[popsicle]

He was a high-stakes gambler recognized in the casinos of Nevada. He dabbled in real estate investments in Texas. His last known full-time employment was 30 years ago. He was twice divorced. He had a pilot’s license and had owned two single-engine planes. (You can purchase a used single engine plane for less than 20K)
https://www.aerotrader.com/New-Or-U...=featured:asc&radius=150&layoutView=listView&

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/stephen-paddock-vegas-shooter.html
Sources say Paddock was a guest at the hotel and used the employee ID card of a woman who sources referred to as his wife. That woman, Marilou Danley, lived with Paddock and sources say her ID was used by him to go in and out of restricted doors at the Mandalay Bay hotel. Danley is an employee of the hotel.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/10/02/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-attack-marilou-danley-id/
Mr. Paddock, 64, was described as a high-flying gambler who lived in a quiet retirement community and played golf. Officials said he had no significant criminal history and drew little attention to himself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html
Okay, got all the links! I wonder what "no significant criminal history" means. Does it mean he has some "criminal complaints" such as misdemeanors, but would not disqualify him from passing a background check on a gun purchase??

Y'all are doing a fabulous job of providing info. I think reporters are reading and trying to get as much out to the public as possible. The observations made by Jean Casarez really highlight the contradictions in previously released statements of shooter's family. I'm am overwhelmed as the photos of so many beautiful young victims are being shown on TV.....so tragic. G'night brilliant sleuthers.

Two NV dealers said he passed background checks for a gun/guns. LE also stated he had traffic citations.

[video=twitter;914968009151836160]https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/914968009151836160[/video]

 

[Cryptic]

Where did you see he had 2 hotel rooms? I missed that

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I am guessing that the room was listed and sold as one room, but was actually a two bedroom suite that could probably be separated into two separate rooms by an interior door. Likewise, there could well be two separate doors to the interior hallway, though both with the same number.

 

[Ven]

I hope authorities will take his DNA and compare it for cold cases. It seems unlikely that a 64 year old man heading into the final years of his life, would have it in him to commit this premeditated atrocity without ever having harmed other human being(s) previously in his life.

 

[CARIIS]

Had one parking ticket in his background

ORLANDO-He owned homes in four states but preferred staying in casino hotels,
He grew up the son of a convicted bank robber who was constantly running from the law. Dad on most wanted list msnbc)

But in his own life, Stephen Paddock, 64, had stayed out of trouble until Sunday night,
“If you told me an asteroid fell into Earth, it would mean the same to me. There’s absolutely no sense, no reason he did this,” his brother Eric Paddock said in an interview outside his home in Orlando.


“He’s just a guy who played video poker and took cruises and ate burritos at Taco Bell. There’s no political affiliation that we know of. There’s no religious affiliation that we know of.”


Eric Paddock said he knew of five guns his brother kept in his safe

. He said Stephen Paddock didn’t hunt and barely shot his guns, once taking Eric’s children on a skeet-shooting trip paid for by the casinos.



Police said they found 19 firearms at Stephen Paddock’s home in Mesquite, Nev.
In the final years of his life, Stephen Paddock was living out his retirement in quiet obscurity. He liked country music, relatives said, and went to concerts like the Route 91 Harvest festival


He was worth more than $2 million, relatives said. Humm?????

Before retiring, he made a small fortune from real estate deals and a business that he and Eric Paddock sold off. He traveled a lot and had millions of free airline miles.
At various points of his life, - peculiar??

Stephen Paddock worked for defense contractor Lockheed Martin and as an accountant and property manager.

, he had no children and plenty of money to play with. So he took up gambling.
“It’s like a job for him. It’s a job where you make money,” said Eric Paddock, adding that his brother could lose $1 million and still have enough to live on. “

Starting to have some doubts about this brother has not seen him

He was at the hotel for four months one time. It was like a second home.”
He recalled one time when the entire family took over the top floor of the Atlantis at the casino’s expense.

Its my understanding casinos do this -- he might have been a big talker about money to his brother. ?? We certainly cant say IMO brother presents as this sharp businessman?

imo there is a simpleness to him


His brother was very particular about the games he played. “It had to be the right machine with double points, and there has to be a contest going on. He won a car one time,” Eric Paddock said.

Again this could have been 9 years ago !!
“He’s known. He’s a top player. He’s the small end of the big fish.”


Over the past two decades, Stephen Paddock bought and lived in properties in several states, including California, Nevada, Florida and Texas, where for a time, neighbors said he lived with his mother.

Public records show Paddock owned two planes and was a licensed pilot. He also had a fishing license from Alaska.

Not really sure of the significance of fishing license- how hard can it be to murder little fish for fun??


He told neighbors he was a professional gambler

I am starting to get a sense of a little big man bragging person that might actually be a heap of hot air -- big talker.
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appeared to favor buying homes in retirement communities.

At one point, he and his longtime girlfriend, Marilou Danley, were living in at least three retirement communities, property records show.

Neighbors said the couple seemed almost itinerant, leaving the properties empty for long stretches as Paddock visited his casinos.



Donald Judy, who was his next-door neighbor in Florida until two years ago, said the inside of Paddock’s home “looked like a college freshman lived there.” There was no art on the walls and no car in the driveway. Just a dining chair, a bed and two recliners. Paddock was constantly on the move, carrying a suitcase and driving a rental car whenever he stayed at the community near Cocoa Beach.



“It looked like he’d be ready to move at a moment’s notice,” Judy said.
never flashed his wealth, often wearing khaki cotton pants, with a polo or other collared shirt,


never driving anything nicer than a standard rental car.

..while after living there, Paddock left Judy a key and asked him to keep an eye on the rarely used house and to borrow any tools he might want.


there were no drugs or parties, nothing unusual except for Paddock’s gambling.


“They did seem to always stay up till midnight and sleep in till noon,” Judy said. “They always seemed to stay on Vegas time.”


Then, as quickly as he had appeared, Paddock put up a for-sale sign, ...., just said they were moving back to Vegas.”


California records show that Paddock married a woman named Peggy Okamoto in 1985. They divorced in 1990 citing “irreconcilable differences.”



Danley was out of the country at the time of the shooting and was located in Tokyo. She is not considered a suspect.


Diane McKay lived next door to Paddock and Danley at their Reno home until July, .... Paddock was unfriendly,

only saw him in the mornings, when he went to the clubhouse to work out.
“He was weird. Kept to himself,” said McKay, 79.

“It was like living next to nothing. . . . You can at least be grumpy, something. He was just nothing, quiet.”
..
couple kept their blinds closed, but sometimes Paddock would open the garage door, revealing an enormous safe the size of a refrigerator.



Paddock’s father, Benjamin Hoskins Paddock, was on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list, described on a 1969 wanted poster as “psychopathic’’ with suicidal tendencies

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.. escaped from prison that year and, according to news accounts, was not captured until 1978, when he was nabbed while running a bingo parlor in Oregon.
Stephen Paddock was the oldest of four boys. ...



father died a few years ago, but Eric Paddock grew up thinking their father was already dead. He found out otherwise when Patrick went to the Air Force Academy and was told his father was a decorated veteran and still alive.

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“We didn’t grow up under his influence,” Eric Paddock said. “I was born on the run in Tucson. My dad was about to be arrested for robbing banks.”



'The shots just kept coming': Mass shooting unfolds at country music festival




F Paddock’s mother, who is close to 90 and spoke with him two weeks ago, Eric said. Five days after Hurricane Irma hit Orlando,


Paddock texted his brother to see whether relatives had been affected.


Eric said he did not know of any mental illness, alcohol or drug problems in his brother’s life.
fter an entire day dealing with FBI investigators and reporters camped outside his



“Something broke in his head is the only thing possible. Did he have a stroke?” h

e said. I’m hoping they cut open his brain and find something. There’s a data point missing.”


Biggest attack in USA since 911



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/02/las-vegas-gunman-liked-to-gamble-listened-to-country-music-lived-quiet-retired-life-before-massacre/?utm_term=.9b7ad5838e0e

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html

http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-675304

 

[popsicle]

[video=twitter;915181411098865672]https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/915181411098865672[/video]

 

[Footwarrior]

Jmo He modified them to full auto.

News reports posted upthread indicated that the shooter used a bump fire device to achieve the high rate of fire. Most likely a stock from Bump Fire Systems.

Reporting on this has been rather confused. Probably because the reporters are not familiar with these devices.

 

[Inthedetails]

Why have a retirement home if he basically stayed in Los Vegas most of the time?

Can you gamble where his retirement home is?

For some reason his millionaire status seems somewhat bogus to me not sure to me

I wonder if this hotel was his fav or only selected cause of the concert.

Snipped by me.

I think his retirement home in FL was purchased with the idea of flipping it when he thought he'd get a good price.

And, I do think he chose that hotel specifically because the concert was happenng below. He obviously planned this out well in advance, but perhaps had some other ideas in the beginning of the process and then settled on the idea of shooting from above over an outdoor concert.

He loved to gamble but created carnage in the gambling capital of the world. He liked country music but he shot concert-goers. Seems like self-loathing.

Also, there is something strange about his wiring money to the Philippines. I can't put my finger on it, but I'm thinking there is more to that beyond simply moving money to where his girlfriend is from. He's a quiet man who knows about money - he had to have known that wired money would be discovered and investigated after his spree. Everything about the killing spree seems sneaky and well planned - even to the point where his motive is not immediately known - but yet the wire transfers were discovered quickly. Just seems....odd.

jmopinion

 

[Cryptic]

His brother is in total denial...."he never even pulled a gun" then, "he had guns in his safe", then "well maybe he had one or two guns", then "and maybe a long rifle/gun" and then we find out he took his brother's children to a shooting range. Nah, I'm not relying on ANYTHING the brother says..... and denial is not a crime. (it is ok to disagree on any point!)

I give the brother far more credibility.

The brothers were not close and had even more limited contact with each other in the past ten years. The arsenal the shooter had could be accumulated over say one year of gradually building plans (even less, if one really wanted to).

In addition, several other witnesses have stated that the shooter did not mention weapons at all, let alone boast about owning an arsenal or engaging in a lot of target practice. The brother's statements that the shooter was outwardly "just a guy" are entirely believable.

The "guy" apparently was successful, but had an unpleasant, shallow personality. His interest in his fellow humans was probably mainly limited to those who paid him rent money which enabled him to indulge himself in his interests and in those who brought him stuff or provided him stuff because they were paid to to so.

There are no indications that the unpleasant / shallow personality of the shooter was extreme or was even personally manipulative. We all know or have met "guys" like this. Some intelligent, some not. Some financially successful, others not. Basically, they are the mild to moderate jerks of the world.

 

[popsicle]

[video=twitter;915185048088928256]https://twitter.com/WBTV_News/status/915185048088928256[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

bomb stuff in his car msnbc

4 crime scenes

fatality

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS702US702&biw=907&bih=441&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=los+vegas+sooting+&oq=los+vegas+sooting+&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4935.7113.0.7557.9.9.0.0.0.0.69.502.8.8.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.2.130...0j0i24k1j0i10i24k1.0.gOh91IWTPw4

 

[CARIIS]

INtense footage within link

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2017/10/reports_of_active_shooter_at_m.html

 

[MsJosie]

I just listened to the scanner that was posted and all I can do is feel for everyone there, but especially the officers. They have just been through something that has changed them forever. A very good friend who is a new orleans police officer was on duty for Katrina. The thing that has wounded him most was being a helper and people looking to you to help, but he couldn't help enough. That scars more than people give thought to. I hope they are forced to seek couseling for the experience.

Next, in the heavy articloe, there is video from Fox news. There are definitely shards of glass. Its not a clean break in either window.

Also, the person he shot was a security officer in the hallway a good bit of time before the entry into the room. It wasn't at the same time.

Lastly (and someone addressed this) he only rented one room. It was a suite with views on 2 sides of the building. Not rooms down the hall that went from one to another.



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Any links?

 

[Elley Mae]

News reports posted upthread indicated that the shooter used a bump fire device to achieve the high rate of fire. Most likely a stock from Bump Fire Systems.

Reporting on this has been rather confused. Probably because the reporters are not familiar with these devices.

Yes, i have seen some say "could have" but i am on the fence with that. Having heard the audio of the gun fire i believe they were full auto.