NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 2

[Fairy1]

Ok - I think many of us agree that LE didn't take this case too seriously in the beginning, but somewhere along the way, they changed their minds. Whatever the reason is probably what we don't know.

So, do we really know if no fingerprints were ever taken from the car? Do we know if the computer has been searched by professional, forensic computer specialists? If it was, we don't know what they found.

This is me....:banghead:

 

[4BB]

I agree 100% :banghead:

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Of those who are closest to him, who *didn't* call and leave messages?

(The old "dog that didn't bark" theory)

Or if the someone knew what he was doing and was concerned that they had not heard from him, they might also call. Curious if there were any of those type of messages...or what the messages were.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I understand the LDS community and the need to not gossip. I also understand that because of this, questions we assumed were asked, probably were not.
Greg did not ask Steve why he was in Las Vegas?
Why was Greg in Las Vegas?

I asked were the tapes at Kmart viewed and Naegles response Why would they be? He was shopping...

Why wouldn't they be? He's missing. How do you know he went to that Kmart to shop? Maybe he met someone in the parking lot?
No one knows if GW made it to the meeting?
No one knows if Steven was alone at the Taco place or Kmart?
No one knows if there was a passenger (fingerprints)?
No one know the exact time of these transactions?
No one know what kinds of coats were in the car?

Why doesn't anyone know these things? These things are pieces of evidence that can be obtained.
What did the PI do? :waitasec:

This is so frustrating.

Great point. Casey Anothoy immediately stands out in my mind. They have her on video at Target buying beer...when her daughter is missing. If there is someone with Steven or following Steven, or Steven looks distressed...that would tell us alot.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

We've asked Naegle that several times, and she says the family believes it is him on the video.

I wish Mr Security (who has at least 7 security cameras on his house*), wouldn't have used fish-eye lenses, because they distort the view.

*We are seeing video from cameras 3 and 7.

Does this mean video exists of Steven in the car? Steven getting out of the car? And Steven walking further down the street? Is there a reason that has not been released????

 

[Fairy1]

Great point. Casey Anothoy immediately stands out in my mind. They have her on video at Target buying beer...when her daughter is missing. If there is someone with Steven or following Steven, or Steven looks distressed...that would tell us alot.

Target sells beer? Not my Target!

Anyway, wasn't Steven seen at home later that same night? Twice? I've not seen any mention of anyone being with him.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Is the only media picture of someone "searching" for Steven in St. George of GW? Hummm....

I feel duped! It's like we are on one of those shows where they say, "Gotcha in the end".

We weren't even talking about the roommate until Naegle said something, but nothing really changed to make her say something. So there is not something...just nothing. I REALIZE THIS MAKES NO SENSE...HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE LINE OF QUESTIONING.

Obviously, information is being withheld b/c of embarrassment, naivety, scared of what it would mean about the family or ones self?? We are SOOO not here to judge. For Naegle to say she was sick of the Webb question when she had not even answered it, really bothers me. There were other questions she answered a million times, that were irrelevant. Are there other things that like Web (the Web from here...) suggests, are just too taboo to discuss. Being LDS does not make us invincible to reality.

Seriously. Let's have a come to Jesus Naegle. Maybe throw us a "real" bone so that we know if our leads are even plausible. Maybe if the information you have completely negates any of our theories, or makes them possible, let us know.

With that said...what are the rules for posting information? Are we "allowed" to post information we obtained individually through resources we paid for...or does the information have to be "public"?

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Target sells beer? Not my Target!

Anyway, wasn't Steven seen at home later that same night? Twice? I've not seen any mention of anyone being with him.

Super Target does...just like Super Walmart. DO you have one of those??? Love it!

I don't think anyone was with him...I mostly just want a view of his demeanor the night before he confidently walked down Evening.

 

[liz b.]

Fairy1,
The person in those videos is visible for such a fleeting time ; I would love to know what exactly it is about the man in the videos that made the family think of Steven.
We here on this forum have been stumpted by the fact that nothing at all ties Steven to the Anthem 55 plus community. There is no paper trail, phone #s there,or anything else. We have almost all been trying to fit our theories around these two videos. I don't understand why,if Steven has been seen on other videos,that Naegle does not tell us this. Is there,for example, a video shot of Steven full face to the camera ? Yes, I know that his car was found there. Beyond that I am not prepared to go. Not without some confirmation, such as a full face shot of Steven, to identify him.

 

[Fairy1]

Super Target does...just like Super Walmart. DO you have one of those??? Love it!

I don't think anyone was with him...I mostly just want a view of his demeanor the night before he confidently walked down Evening.

Oh you're right! I forgot about the big Targets!

I don't know what to think at this point. The entire discussion here has basically been based on the fact that it was Steven on that video in Sun City Anthem on 12/13. Still, we have NO idea why he was there. Plenty of theories and speculation, but no real reason.

 

[lost at sea]

Ive taken a break from my breakneck speed posting and following this thread. Its been nice, actually. Its given me time to think a little more clearly about the case in general. Frankly, Im going to lurk until I see something I think could be relevant or until I think of a theory that makes sense. Until we get more info Im afraid we are severely handicapped.

 

[looneymama]

Fairy1,
The person in those videos is visible for such a fleeting time ; I would love to know what exactly it is about the man in the videos that made the family think of Steven.
We here on this forum have been stumpted by the fact that nothing at all ties Steven to the Anthem 55 plus community. There is no paper trail, phone #s there,or anything else. We have almost all been trying to fit our theories around these two videos. I don't understand why,if Steven has been seen on other videos,that Naegle does not tell us this. Is there,for example, a video shot of Steven full face to the camera ? Yes, I know that his car was found there. Beyond that I am not prepared to go. Not without some confirmation, such as a full face shot of Steven, to identify him.

I agree, unless there is something that sticks out and makes them almost positive it's him. I worry that we are accepting things here as fact that might not be.
We don't know for sure who the k-mart purchase was for.
We can't say 100% without a doubt that he was in that video.

I also think it's easy to point fingers at the roommate because of the pot reference and not as easy to take a closer look at a friend from church...but everyone should be looked at because something is obviously being overlooked here

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Do we know what cell phone tower the calls hit when Steven was talking to GW and the Clerk? This would be good to know...if the Clerks call shows him even close to Henderson, we would have a better idea if this is him or not. Plus, it would also show if he was near GW.

 

[Fairy1]

Fairy1,
The person in those videos is visible for such a fleeting time ; I would love to know what exactly it is about the man in the videos that made the family think of Steven.
We here on this forum have been stumpted by the fact that nothing at all ties Steven to the Anthem 55 plus community. There is no paper trail, phone #s there,or anything else. We have almost all been trying to fit our theories around these two videos. I don't understand why,if Steven has been seen on other videos,that Naegle does not tell us this. Is there,for example, a video shot of Steven full face to the camera ? Yes, I know that his car was found there. Beyond that I am not prepared to go. Not without some confirmation, such as a full face shot of Steven, to identify him.

I understand where you're coming from; I truly do. I really think it's mostly a logical conclusion. His car passes by, he is seen on the video shortly thereafter and his car was found right there days later. I can't help but think LE has seen plenty of other video from the same camera(s) to which we are not privvy. Why it's not been made public, we don't know.

As far as finding a paper trail or a reasonable explanation as to WHY Steven was there, perhaps we're overthinking it.

If the IHOP guy is Steven and he is currently living on the streets of Las Vegas and has not contacted his family, I think it's pretty safe to assume he's had a break from reality that we, here, cannot understand. I don't know why it's such an impossible theory to believe. It happens a lot.

Without more information to go on, I just don't know how much further we can explore this case.

I know there are many here who feel the way I do about GW. I'm not comfortable with what we know where he's concerned. Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings or pizzes anyone off. But Steven is still missing and now it's cold and stormy here. Breaks my heart.

 

[Fairy1]

Ive taken a break from my breakneck speed posting and following this thread. Its been nice, actually. Its given me time to think a little more clearly about the case in general. Frankly, Im going to lurk until I see something I think could be relevant or until I think of a theory that makes sense. Until we get more info Im afraid we are severely handicapped.

Oh come on, lost at sea. You've seen something relevant. Share your take on it!

 

[Fairy1]

Do we know what cell phone tower the calls hit when Steven was talking to GW and the Clerk? This would be good to know...if the Clerks call shows him even close to Henderson, we would have a better idea if this is him or not. Plus, it would also show if he was near GW.

WE don't know, but I'm sure someone does. ***sigh***

 

[jbirddinky]

Says he's 50 but worth a shot. Has anyone followed up on this yet?

I don't think so.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

WE don't know, but I'm sure someone does. ***sigh***

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That is what confuses me...we get all these details about receipts that really mean nothing, but the important things we get nothing. Does that mean we are smarter than LE? I would really hate to think that.

Do we know who is handling this? LV or St. George police?

 

[looneymama]

DH wasn't planning on evicting Steven but with Christmas and around the corner and having to make our rent payment (where we are now living) and our house payment along with both sets of utilities (because JZ had bailed and Steven was behind neither had paid their share of utilities) we were falling behind on the bills. DH decided to give Steven's parents a call, which Steven did not know about, to see if Steven had ask for help with money. I am sure it upset Steven to know DH had called his mom and told her he was behind on rent.

This is something that I think is really interesting. Being that it's been mentioned that he just turned 30, has been kind of down about being single, not being able to get a job and having money problems, I can see how this could definitely upset him.

Did he by any chance have help getting his previous jobs? Did a relative know anyone? Were people particularly protective of him? Was he maybe treated like he was younger by his loved ones? I'm just wondering if maybe he moved to try and create a little distance. Maybe he wanted to prove that he could "make it on his own" get a job on his own, live in an apartment without people's help. This whole situation could've really hurt his pride. I know it's been mentioned that his mom said he was irritable towards her when she brought the money situation up.
StillLooking, had your husband been in contact with his parents before? Were they needed as cosigners of his lease?

I also wonder if the car was in his mom's name...or how people figured out that she should be called about it.

With all of this going on I can see how he might not mention a new job opportunity to someone. Maybe he's tired of telling people about jobs that he's trying to get and later on having to tell them that he didn't get them.

StillLooking, I want to say that I think it's really nice that you guys were trying to work with Steven instead of just kicking him out. I know it had to be tough for you to suddenly stop getting rent from both of your tenants.

 

[hollyblue]

Ive taken a break from my breakneck speed posting and following this thread. Its been nice, actually. Its given me time to think a little more clearly about the case in general. Frankly, Im going to lurk until I see something I think could be relevant or until I think of a theory that makes sense. Until we get more info Im afraid we are severely handicapped.

I think I may join you. I'm going to wait until LE or Naegle put more into the stew for stirring. LE is not going to tell the family everything they have either. Questions we have asked numerous times do not get a straight answser and I'm not going to ask anymore. If they want help, they know we're here. I would go back and question everything the witnesses have said with a big ? beside it.
LE needs to do a forensic search on the car and the hard drive in my opinion. With no body, you need a lot of circumstantial and forensic evidence.
Someone in this circle of people we have discussed has the answer to Why he was going to NV so much and the other escapades he had taken that last week. I say the hard drive may hold the key if LE can't get more info from knowing witnesses.
Makes me REAL uncomfortable to know Z had access to his room when he was not there....I would have bought a lock--definitely, even if my roomy was an 80 yr old widow. Wonder if Z ever had any friends over?
I don't think the ad in Modesto is anything and do think that is him on the video. Like I said before, the only knowledge we have of a connection to LV that is being openly discussed is Z and GW.
Going back to work on my SP theory until something more substantial comes to light.