NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 3

[Malini2001]

We seem to be assuming that Steven wasn't paying his rent because he had no money -- but what if he had been planning on leaving town and opted to save his income (in a shoebox under his bed or something) rather than using it to pay rent?

Exactly how much was he making washing windows? I'm assuming this was not steady income. But was he being paid in cash and how often?

It may be that the only money left in his bank account had been transferred there by his mother and she took the money out after he disappeared. It sounds like she or both parents may be joint owners on the account.

 

[laytonian]

One possibility could be that Steve was washing windows or cleaning up houses for a real estate agent before the new owners moved in.

But wouldn't he have buckets and cleaning supplies in his car, and park in front of the home...if that's why he was there? Carry a broom, instead of a portfolio?

If he was there only to collect the money, would he have missed church to do that?

 

[laytonian]

Laytonian-

So does more video exist of Steven then? I want to see those.

The family was given a whole sh*tpot full of recorded stuff (a stack, as Naegle reported here before), by Mr Security. They've been going through them. They've never spotted Steven.

 

[Fairy1]

Good morning. Can't stay long as I'm at work and SLAMMED already. Just wanted to say I don't think there's any significance to the fact that Steven's car was near a foreclosure. Sadly, you couldn't swing a cat anywhere in this city right now without hitting a foreclosure - they're everywhere.

Also - swjaxon is right on the money when he says there are cameras literally all over this town. There's no doubt in my mind that Steven showed up on way more than one tape - and still is if he's still in town. It's just that no one knows he's being looked for!

 

[hollyblue]

Now, this is getting TRULY disturbing. Is someone purposely putting out false information, to confuse the issue? If so, that person is suspect.

The only dinner we were previously aware of (and there are lots of pictures of it), is of the ward's Christmas dinner on Sunday, Dec 7th.

So you're saying there was another dinner on Dec 9th that Steven attended, and there's proof of that, via pictures?

Rather than "it's been said", how about revealing the source of your information? That information turns this entire case on its head, if it's true.

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I've added the "where did Steven's boss see him" question to the Q&A.
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The passport: In this case, reporting it lost/stolen is the appropriate action, when the holder has disappeared. Of course the user would be "upset" if they couldn't use it. That's the idea. They'd be detained, and if it were Steven, he'd be located.

I'm pretty sure it was on this thread or the previous one. That's why I did the research. Either I saw a bad date or they might have posted a bad date. But they mentioned the pics with the date of the dinner. The Xmas Dinner was the 7th. I know other LDS wards held theirs on Sat. Why would they hold a dinner or the 9th? (Tue) Can a search be done on the threads with just one word or date?

On the passport, could they really revoke it from a missing person? He's an adult and may not want to be found--- even tho it would be nice to know he is alive and okay.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I asked in the first thread about the part-time job and if they asked his boss how much he was making/made. I agree that this would help us know if he was "spending" on something that no one had traced.

I also asked about passing out the fliers that one day and helping those girls. I wondered if his boss had told him to go there, or if he randomly went on his own to pass out fliers. If he went on his own, without the direction of his boss, then he was still looking for jobs, which would tell me that he was not intending to just walk away from his life...or at least not quite yet. He was still trying to make some money.

All of these questions were brushed off b/c we were discussing gas receipts, etc. Well those have not really answered any questions. Now I think it is time to stop taking all the "other" things he did at face value and start looking into them.

Can we ask Naegle if she knows where the cell phone pings from Steven were when he was talking to GW? And then where were they when he was talking to the Bishopric? This would show his movement right before he went to Anthem.

 

[laytonian]

Laytonian,
I read that you lean towards thinking that Steven parked in the Anthem community at random, and that he went from there up into the mountains. Why do you think he took his vital documents from the room in St.George ? Also, if the BC and Passport was not in his rented room in St.George, and not found in his car, could that be what he was holding when we see him in the security video ?

Yes, those documents could have been in that portfolio. But maybe he'd already lost them, or given them to someone else to store. Maybe he was keeping them with him, because he didn't trust leaving them in the room.

If he left the country, the State Department would have scanned his passport and we'd know about it (IF anyone checked).

Remember, he didn't even cash the check his grandmother gave him. I don't see him as having had his "affairs in order", so to speak. We don't know how thoroughly his car was searched. I'd be looking under the seats, in the trunk, in the pockets of those coats....

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

The family was given a whole sh*tpot full of recorded stuff (a stack, as Naegle reported here before), by Mr Security. They've been going through them. They've never spotted Steven.

What about the other cameras that were filming at the same time? They would be with the other two videos that were put it. Wasn't there a camera that showed him in his car? I thought his mother said something about that. I think if they had a camera on the back of his house, it would have shown that.

Laytonian,

Can you ask Naegle what direction his car was facing? Was the front facing Anthem Street or the desert landscaping to the north? I am curious if he followed the natural progression of the street, or not.

 

[ms_writer]

Pretty Please with sugar....

Here is the revised poster. Please let me know if you all have any suggested changes, etc.

 

[Fairy1]

Here is the revised poster. Please let me know if you all have any suggested changes, etc.

This is the one I'll be taking to the RV park today.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Laytonian,

After looking at the timeline Naegle posted, Paul Doxey reposted this:

The PEC meeting started at 11 A.M. At 11:10 A.M., we realized that Greg, the EQ President, was not going to make it to the meeting, so the Bishop asked Seth Abboud, the clerk, to call Steve (the EQ counselor) and see if he (Steve) could be there or if perhaps Greg had prearranged for Steve to be there in his (Greg's) place. When Seth got Steve on the phone, it was around 11:15 Utah time, which would be 10:15 Vegas. As far as we know, that was the last time anyone talked to Steve. He said that he couldn't make it to the meeting as he was in Vegas and couldn't get back in time.

I hope that this helps.

Paul Doxey, 2nd counselor, Bloomington Hills 7th ward

Naegle stated in her reply to my asking about Webb, that the only calls on the phone records were the one from Webb and the one when Abboud called after they realized that Steven would not be at the meeting. I will find her post in regards to that and repost it. Maybe I am misunderstanding what she meant.

So if Doxey was there for this one call, then the only other call would be the one from Webb, unless that is the one that never happened.

 

[Fairy1]

I asked in the first thread about the part-time job and if they asked his boss how much he was making/made. I agree that this would help us know if he was "spending" on something that no one had traced.

I also asked about passing out the fliers that one day and helping those girls. I wondered if his boss had told him to go there, or if he randomly went on his own to pass out fliers. If he went on his own, without the direction of his boss, then he was still looking for jobs, which would tell me that he was not intending to just walk away from his life...or at least not quite yet. He was still trying to make some money.

All of these questions were brushed off b/c we were discussing gas receipts, etc. Well those have not really answered any questions. Now I think it is time to stop taking all the "other" things he did at face value and start looking into them.

Can we ask Naegle if she knows where the cell phone pings from Steven were when he was talking to GW? And then where were they when he was talking to the Bishopric? This would show his movement right before he went to Anthem.

I'm assuming window washing is primarily a cash business? If that's the case, it's possible Steven's boss may not been entirely sure of how much Steven was making. KWIM?

 

[hollyblue]

The lot was vacant until the home was contracted in 2005.
The home was completed and sold to Greenstein/Robertson for $434,867 on June 6, 2006.*
It was owned by Greenstein (and then passed into the trust .
Greene took ownership.
The bank took it over in September, and sold it off in December.

Unless someone has information *connecting* that transaction to this case (rather than something that's happening all over Vegas), I'm not sure what we're supposed to learn from it.

ITA---The address is across the street of Anthem Way (?)from Savannah or EL---maybe not the same development. And who cares about the view on walking down EL????? The person was into detail, huh?

 

[laytonian]

I'm assuming window washing is primarily a cash business? If that's the case, it's possible Steven's boss may not been entirely sure of how much Steven was making. KWIM?

He would know everything. The boss's phone number was on the flyers -- remember?

I still can't figure out WHY anyone would need to work as an "independent contractor" washing windows.

Get a solicitor's (door-to-door) license, make your own flyers, and pass them out! Why give someone else a cut?

And doing it door to door?
Does anyone really hire someone, who goes door to door?
A flyer left on our doorknob goes right in the trash, unread. A door to door solicitor is firmly told to leave. I don't care what they're trying to sell.

 

[laytonian]

ITA---The address is across the street of Anthem Way (?)from Savannah or EL---maybe not the same development. And who cares about the view on walking down EL????? The person was into detail, huh?

Details are good, but they can also disprove things.

Him being in that particular place, tells us very little. Why?

It IS all the same development.

That's what I've been trying to tell everyone: look at the map (it's right there on the timeline)...zoom in and out. There is only ONE WAY IN AND OUT of that entire, huge loop of 150-200 homes , and it's right near where Steven parked.

 

[believe09]

Here is the revised poster. Please let me know if you all have any suggested changes, etc.

I LOVE IT- can you add one picture for me? I took this from the FB page-I think that Steven looks a little scruffy and not so clean cut, so I think it is a good representation of how he might appear if he were unable to be meticulous about his appearance...

 

[believe09]

ITA---The address is across the street of Anthem Way (?)from Savannah or EL---maybe not the same development. And who cares about the view on walking down EL????? The person was into detail, huh?

Details are good, but they can also disprove things.

Him being in that particular place, tells us very little. Why?

It IS all the same development.

That's what I've been trying to tell everyone: look at the map (it's right there on the timeline)...zoom in and out. There is only ONE WAY IN AND OUT of that entire, huge loop of 150-200 homes , and it's right near where Steven parked.

While I get your point, let me remind everyone that it is early in the game (IMHO) to be discouraging thoughts that might seem outside of the box. And it is important to make sure your posts are adequately respectful to those who want to help solve this mystery. :croc:

If you told me that a man short of cash disappeared from a development where there were homes in foreclosure very close by, a home mortgage company AND a real estate agent who just happened to be passing by the missing man, I would feel the need to look closer at this, um, coincidence.

 

[hollyblue]

4BB & Liz B

I had thought that he may be going somewhere in the subdivision to get a change of identity, papers, etc.

 

[laytonian]

Laytonian,

After looking at the timeline Naegle posted, Paul Doxey reposted this:

The PEC meeting started at 11 A.M. At 11:10 A.M., we realized that Greg, the EQ President, was not going to make it to the meeting, so the Bishop asked Seth Abboud, the clerk, to call Steve (the EQ counselor) and see if he (Steve) could be there or if perhaps Greg had prearranged for Steve to be there in his (Greg's) place. When Seth got Steve on the phone, it was around 11:15 Utah time, which would be 10:15 Vegas. As far as we know, that was the last time anyone talked to Steve. He said that he couldn't make it to the meeting as he was in Vegas and couldn't get back in time.

I hope that this helps.

Paul Doxey, 2nd counselor, Bloomington Hills 7th ward

Naegle stated in her reply to my asking about Webb, that the only calls on the phone records were the one from Webb and the one when Abboud called after they realized that Steven would not be at the meeting. I will find her post in regards to that and repost it. Maybe I am misunderstanding what she meant.

What Doxey said, is what I have on the timeline. Did I misconstrue something about it?

Here's where Naegle clearly stated that there were three separate calls, on Dec 13th:

Naegle
#546 01-14-2010, 10:34 PM

Ok here's my update on GW. It's not everything, but it's more than I knew before. I'm still working on hammering it out though.

GW called Steven at 8:57 utah time. It was on the records. GW asked Steven if he could attend a meeting (I thought the meeting was in the evening, but that's not verified yet) in his place. Steven said he was in vegas, but would attend if he was needed. GW replied that he was on the road back to St George so he would go to the meeting himself.

Seth Aboud called Steven at 10:47 and asked if he would announce in church that people were getting together for basketball on wed the 16th. Steven said he couldn't because he was in vegas. Seth asked if Steven would be at basketball he said no.

Paul Doxey called Steven around 10:10 and asked if he could couver GW's meeting. Steven said he was in vegas. Paul said nevermind. Paul wrote this on FB, but it is not confirmed!

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Question to all: am I wasting my time on the timeline? The goal is to put confirmed statements on it, and provide a place to contain them, so things don't get off-track.

 

[hollyblue]

Snipped from 4BB:

Hollyblue ~ Steven was 3 months behind on rent. I beleive thats why stillooking may have called a few times.

StillLooking stated in her post *months* before he started not answering the phone. I should have clarified. Sorry.