GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[SpanishInquisition]

I think that the odds of LE framing Andrews as being the driver is next to nothing. They probably have cell phone evidence to support the charges against him.

I have a feeling we will see that Andrews made an attempt to coverup his participation in this crime. He was unsuccessful in my opinion. I don't think any "tall tales" of the victims family will have a great impact on the trial of these two miscreants. JMO.

At this point I'm not sure, like we don't know what LE/DA was able to get from the cell phone companies or if the records were deleted before then due to phone company retention policies. Also I think even if they can show he drove the car, I think they still have a hard time proving M1 and some of the other charges. The charge that boggles me the most is charging Andrews with Discharge Of A Weapon, so I don't understand as of yet what the prosecutions' theory of the case is underlying the reasons a jury should convict him...I understand EN's the underlying structure to get to M1, but not Andrews Discharging A Weapon as all that seems to do is really muddy things up with the case against both of them.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

That's a great word!

They would have got away with it too if wasn't for us WebSleuthing kids

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I'll help you remember. Then I'm going to bed. brb

In reading the Complaint it's the Audi who drops him off in some non-stated location, then he got another ride from someone's girlfriend to the Casino and a third ride to KK's. That could both help and hurt in that he takes lots of rides from lots of different people, so the Andrews leg could have been forgotten by Altergott if EN said it, but conversely Altergott didn't say anything about the Andrews leg unless Andrews was the shooter.

 

[RANCH]

At this point I'm not sure, like we don't know what LE/DA was able to get from the cell phone companies or if the records were deleted before then due to phone company retention policies. Also I think even if they can show he drove the car, I think they still have a hard time proving M1 and some of the other charges. The charge that boggles me the most is charging Andrews with Discharge Of A Weapon, so I don't understand as of yet what the prosecutions' theory of the case is underlying the reasons a jury should convict him...I understand EN's the underlying structure to get to M1, but not Andrews Discharging A Weapon as all that seems to do is really muddy things up with the case against both of them.

I'm not a lawyer but I think the conspiracy part of the charges make both Nowsch and Andrews equally guilty of the same crimes according to the State of Nevada. No links to support that at this time so it's just my opinion.

 

[jjenny]

In reading the Complaint it's the Audi who drops him off in some non-stated location, then he got another ride from someone's girlfriend to the Casino and a third ride to KK's. That could both help and hurt in that he takes lots of rides from lots of different people, so the Andrews leg could have been forgotten by KK if EN said it, but conversely KK didn't say anything about the Andrews leg unless Andrews was the shooter.

He certainly doesn't claim he was dropped off back at the school. That would make no sense whatsoever. In what was said to the grand jury, he claimed after the shooting they left the area and he was dropped off. He didn't give the location, but they left the area, he doesn't claim they went back to the school.

 

[Miss Muffet]

http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf

"At that point they left the area and he said he was dropped off by the driver of the vehicle."

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

"Altergott said Nowsch told them a friend would give him a ride over because was currently at the Santa Fe Station Casino."

"Nowsch told Altergott after the shooting he put the gun into his backpack and left the area. Nowsch told Altergott he was the passenger in the Audi. Nowsch said the driver of the Audi dropped him off after the shoting and he was picked up by another friends' girlfriend who drove him to the Santa Fe Station Casino."

"Nowsch told Krisztian after the shooting they drove to a friend's house, switched vehicles,and then a friend took him to the Santa Fe Station Casino."

The bolded doesn't look good for Derrick. I conclude Derrick is toast.

This is absolute proof that defendants shouldn't open their mouths.

Maybe EN is lying with his details, but that's not going to help DA.

How could DA not have read this stuff to realize what he was up against?

Idiots. They're both idiots.
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[jjenny]

And he says "they left the area" then he was dropped off."
Obviously he doesn't say we went back to the school.
It wouldn't make any sense for him to be dropped off at the school, considering he thinks he was followed by the Buick near the school.
So DA story doesn't add up to anything plausible.

 

[Miss Muffet]

He certainly doesn't claim he was dropped off back at the school. That would make no sense whatsoever. In what was said to the grand jury, he claimed after the shooting they left the area and he was dropped off. He didn't give the location, but they left the area, he doesn't claim they went back to the school.

There isn't a Jones street AT the school so they both could be technically right. The friend's house where they switched vehicles could be located on whatever street DA means by Jones street. That San Jonas street is near the school, but it's not AT the school. You're overly focused on the school. The school isn't where he was picked up. The school is just to give a general area of where the street is located.

It doesn't matter because he's screwed either way since he's not a "friend's girlfriend."

 

[Miss Muffet]

And he says "they left the area" then he was dropped off."
Obviously he doesn't say we went back to the school.
It wouldn't make any sense for him to be dropped off at the school, considering he thinks he was followed by the Buick near the school.
So DA story doesn't add up to anything plausible.

DA didn't say he picked him up at the school. He was picked up at a street near the school. What he said sounded like Jones street. San Jonas is the most likely street in the area to be where he picked him up. Unless he picked him up on a street near a different school, like the high school. We'll need to research Jones streets.

 

[RANCH]

http://www.mynews3.com/media/lib/166/1/8/3/183997e6-0122-44f7-99b5-c23203a0e717/030515Nowsch.pdf

"At that point they left the area and he said he was dropped off by the driver of the vehicle."

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

"Altergott said Nowsch told them a friend would give him a ride over because was currently at the Santa Fe Station Casino.:

"Nowsch told Altergott after the shooting he put the gun into his backpack and left the area. Nowsch told Altergott he was the passenger in the Audi. Nowsch said the driver of the Audi dropped him off after the shoting and he was picked up by another friends' girlfriend who drove him to the Santa Fe Station Casino."

"Nowsch told Krisztian after the shooting they drove to a friend's house, switched vehicles,and then a friend took him to the Santa Fe Station Casino."

The bolded doesn't look good for Derrick. I conclude Derrick is toast.

This is absolute proof that defendants shouldn't open their mouths.

Maybe EN is lying with his details, but that's not going to help DA.

How could DA not have read this stuff to realize what he was up against?

Idiots. They're both idiots.

I think it's hard to get the truth from the suspects or their friends about what happened that night. I have faith that LE has investigated this case with due diligence and have arrested the right people for the murder of Tammy Meyers.

JMO

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I'm not a lawyer but I think the conspiracy part of the charges make both Nowsch and Andrews equally guilty of the same crimes according to the State of Nevada. No links to support that at this time so it's just my opinion.

I think I've just answered my own question while looking something up no this, but first I want to get to a legal point. If a jury finds you guilty of Conspiracy, it doesn't mean you are also guilty of the other charges (except like M1 and Attempted Murder, though Conspiracy is actually the easiest to prove and if they found for that they'd probably find for all) unrelated to the murder charges. The jury could think Andrews and EN were out for blood, he definitely did M1 and all the other related murder charges, but it doesn't automatically make you guilty of a non-murder related charge. Anyway in answering my own question it's both if you fire or if you cause it to be fired, so you can be charged with that basically if you conspire with someone to fire a gun in a car even if you didn't fire it yourself:
http://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/gun-structure-car.html

 

[SpanishInquisition]

And he says "they left the area" then he was dropped off."
Obviously he doesn't say we went back to the school.
It wouldn't make any sense for him to be dropped off at the school, considering he thinks he was followed by the Buick near the school.
So DA story doesn't add up to anything plausible.

But I would think at that point it's not up to EN, but what the driver thinks. A driver might want to high tail it out of there with both the gun and the shooter far behind instead of in his car for any longer so he doesn't have things that could incriminate himself in the car. If the driver got pulled over by the cops for speeding or something with a potential murder weapon (still warm no less), a potential murderer and a bullet hole in the car that would be game over with everything handed over to LE on a silver platter.

 

[jayme1133]

Cant believe some people on here aren't now questioning DA and EN's innocence after this!!
LVDA sounds desperate to me...hope he has his evidence ready for a trial. Seems to me something is still shady with this case. Hope he isn't looking for a conviction and willing to put anyone behind bars to make that happen.

 

[RANCH]

Cant believe some people on here aren't now questioning DA and EN's innocence after this!!
LVDA sounds desperate to me...hope he has his evidence ready for a trial. Seems to me something is still shady with this case. Hope he isn't looking for a conviction and willing to put anyone behind bars to make that happen.

"After this" meaning Andrews jail house chat with the reporter? I think it makes him and Nowsch look guilty myself. JMO.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I think it's hard to get the truth from the suspects or their friends about what happened that night.

You're right. I just compared everything. Nothing in anyone's statements match regarding where EN was picked up and dropped off. KK says he was at the casino, but Mogg never mentions EN saying anything about the casino. I inaccurately remembered KK or ZA saying they sent someone to pick him up at the casino, and that would have confirmed he was at the casino, but in rereading the warrant, EN had his own ride to their apartment from the casino. As a result, we can't even be certain he was at the casino.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Cant believe some people on here aren't now questioning DA and EN's innocence after this!!
LVDA sounds desperate to me...hope he has his evidence ready for a trial. Seems to me something is still shady with this case. Hope he isn't looking for a conviction and willing to put anyone behind bars to make that happen.

I still think something shady happened, but I think DA's public statements hurt him big time.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Cant believe some people on here aren't now questioning DA and EN's innocence after this!!
LVDA sounds desperate to me...hope he has his evidence ready for a trial. Seems to me something is still shady with this case. Hope he isn't looking for a conviction and willing to put anyone behind bars to make that happen.

I treat the case probabilistically and I still consider a range of jury results and a range of what actually happened that night regardless of what the jury rules legally. I think there's enough shadiness in this case to solve global warming, but in the end certain things don't matter as far as what the end result will be. Regardless of how truthful Andrews was in proclaiming his innocence and how much the Meyers' story matches reality, based on the evidence I think the results are very high for EN that he will be convicted or plead to a serious felony less than M1 but low that he either get M1 or Acquittal while with Andrews no matter how much he's lying I'm unsure of what to expect with that, which even if he was the driver I could see him acquitted entirely even if EN got M1/M2. I think for the DA to have a strong chance to get M1 against anyone it would require one of them to turn state's evidence against the other. I could see that the case could collapse if there's an earth-shattering reveal, but if there isn't one, then I don't...but I'm going to keep speculating on here on what types of earth-shattering reveals there could be.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

You're right. I just compared everything. Nothing in anyone's statements match regarding where EN was picked up and dropped off. KK says he was at the casino, but Mogg never mentions EN saying anything about the casino. I inaccurately remembered KK or ZA saying they sent someone to pick him up at the casino, and that would have confirmed he was at the casino, but in rereading the warrant, EN had his own ride to their apartment from the casino. As a result, we can't even be certain he was at the casino.

This is so much why I want to see words directly from EN instead of others interpretations and memories of what he said. This is one of the reasons why I don't rule out acquittal as we're getting inherently imperfect second-hand information so far where we can't trust the accuracy of what we're reading even if it was told in complete good faith and honesty.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I can't understand why DA talked to the media. I can't get over the idiocy of his doing it. He had counsel from one of the best attorneys in Vegas over a period of a couple of weeks prior to his arrest, and he's not high as a kite like EN was when he was arrested. I guess sitting in solitary confinement made him crazy. Since he claims he wasn't involved, he can't even turn states evidence and cut a deal.

 

[Miss Muffet]

This is so much why I want to see words directly from EN instead of others interpretations and memories of what he said. This is one of the reasons why I don't rule out acquittal as we're getting inherently imperfect second-hand information so far where we can't trust the accuracy of what we're reading even if it was told in complete good faith and honesty.

Exactly. Even KK and ZA's statements about where EN went don't match up. At least with DA, we have first hand information. I'm going to look for a Jones street near a different school.