NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

[PoirotryInMotion]

I found it. It's closer to the NV/CA border than Wellington. If anyone is looking for the location of the area on google maps, it's National Forest Develop Road 031 Trail, Yerington, NV 89447, for the entrance off of 338. I have no idea how far back into Sand Canyon it was. You'll have to zoom in to see the NF road.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//Na...ede2c7e2ecd80!2m2!1d-119.2511792!2d38.6185573

Yes, the road going in is on this map as well as the topo map option (if you click on that button at the link I posted). Zooming in on the topo map is helpful, too; you can see that there is an elevated hill at the intersection of the main road and side road leading into the canyon, so visibility of the side road leading in to the canyon would have been obscured.

This "Campsite" was not a campsite at all. It was originally described as such, but it doesn't appear from what was recovered that it was actually a campsite at all. It is our theory that what was once thought to be a campsite might possibly be a blanket that was used to carry/conceal/wrap our subject in and other "typical desert trash" that is common in the area.

I find it helpful to click on a person's name and select view forum posts. It is easier to stay updated.

This answers the question about it being a campsite.

Yes, I confess to having read this more than once. That was just me being cheeky, asking the detectives 'are you absolutely sure he couldn't have been camping at the site??' Because of finding out how popular the area was for campsites, because of wondering if the victim was simply a contract construction worker basically camping out of his truck with his dog, sleeping in his underwear, because of thinking the dog had to be at the site of the murder, (yada, yada, etc.). I'm like a hound with a rabbit when I pursue my rabbit trails, sometimes.

 

[carbuff]

Quilted, multicolored moving blankets. Many kinds.
While I am familiar with many kinds, colors and designs of commercial / industrial moving blankets there is no reason there could not be a market for colored designs.

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/quilted-moving-blankets.html

When my daughter changed apartments a few years back, the local rental company she got the truck from included a pile of miscellaneous blankets. At least one of them was that colorblock design. There wasn't an extra charge and I don't think they would have noticed if we had returned one or two fewer than what they gave us.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

The t-shirt company/person I contacted (Tahoe Basics/Randy Anger) replied to the LCSO Facebook page yesterday; while they have a huge selection, unfortunately they've only been in business 3 years so can't help identify the shirt. I've looked through so many t-shirt images that I'm now being barraged by online t-shirt ads.

Which is better than some of the other ads that have come as a result of googling murder cases, I suppose.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Quilted, multicolored moving blankets. Many kinds.
While I am familiar with many kinds, colors and designs of commercial / industrial moving blankets there is no reason there could not be a market for colored designs.

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/quilted-moving-blankets.html

I was wrong about moving blanks/quilt. I'd just never seen one that was more than a solid color. Maybe I am not as knowledgeable as I thought I was.

*Oh, and SS, there are casino workers/executives who go from casino town to casino town for better opportunities. I am talking about Pit Bosses, Dealers, and so forth who earn the higher salaries. They do rent apartments and houses. There is usually a big turnover in rental property in those areas and the property interiors are painted at the end of each lease term. You find people from all over the U.S. in casino towns.

 

[carbuff]

I was wrong about moving blanks/quilt. I'd just never seen one that was more than a solid color. Maybe I am not as sophisticated or adventurous as I thought I was!

Pretty sure the big names in the business do not use the nice ones

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Rereading the thread. Noticed carbuff also posted a Google map of the location in post 21...and in post 22, ranneF posted for a first post that "Standia could actually be Stadia. They were high top sneakers in the mid to late 80s. They were basically Air Jordan knockoffs."

(And it was Stadia, not Standia as posted at the outset.) So it looks like there was a good chance that both the cap and the shoes were from the 1980s, for what that's worth.

 

[mmarty]

I found it. It's closer to the NV/CA border than Wellington. If anyone is looking for the location of the area on google maps, it's National Forest Develop Road 031 Trail, Yerington, NV 89447, for the entrance off of 338. I have no idea how far back into Sand Canyon it was. You'll have to zoom in to see the NF road.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//Na...ede2c7e2ecd80!2m2!1d-119.2511792!2d38.6185573

Yes, that is the road. The body was located approximately one mile east off of 338, on Sand Canyon Road.

 

[Steleheart]

Yes, the road going in is on this map as well as the topo map option (if you click on that button at the link I posted). Zooming in on the topo map is helpful, too; you can see that there is an elevated hill at the intersection of the main road and side road leading into the canyon, so visibility of the side road leading in to the canyon would have been obscured.


Yes, I confess to having read this more than once. That was just me being cheeky, asking the detectives 'are you absolutely sure he couldn't have been camping at the site??' Because of finding out how popular the area was for campsites, because of wondering if the victim was simply a contract construction worker basically camping out of his truck with his dog, because of thinking the dog had to be at the site of the murder, (yada, yada, etc.). I'm like a hound with a rabbit when I pursue my rabbit trails, sometimes.

RSBM:

I would not dump the plausibility the subject was at least sleeping there. For instance, and I don't have any details on how the blanket was found, But if it was rolled it could have been a bed roll.

Bear with me here. The Levi's, if I recall were found inside the blanket in in pretty good condition. There was a pair of Hanes men's black 32-34 underwear as well.
There was also another elastic band from some other underwear near the remains. A sock and a half were also found nearby and the only clothing on the body was the T-shirt fragment. No hands, feet or shoes but bone fragments in the vicinity.
Whenever I go camping I always remove my jeans inside the sleeping bag and leave them in there with me. Usually throw on PJ shorts as well. Everyone knows that if you dress too warmly inside the bag, you have noting to put on and will be cold when you get up. So when I get up my jeans are the same temp as me and I put them on.

So I am not doubting what the detectives say about the makeshift camp site and I know they have evidence that the subj. was possibly wrapped in it, but was it for transport or sleeping. I don't have enough data either way. I am just saying it's possible.


:cow:

 

[Steleheart]

I was wrong about moving blanks/quilt. I'd just never seen one that was more than a solid color. Maybe I am not as knowledgeable as I thought I was.

*Oh, and SS, there are casino workers/executives who go from casino town to casino town for better opportunities. I am talking about Pit Bosses, Dealers, and so forth who earn the higher salaries. They do rent apartments and houses. There is usually a big turnover in rental property in those areas and the property interiors are painted at the end of each lease term. You find people from all over the U.S. in casino towns.

I doubt they are as tough as the gray or blue commercial ones, JMO!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Yes, we've camped more than once in the southwest; back in our pup tent days I remember taking off my jeans for sleep as they would cut off my circulation if I didn't.

I wonder if there is any more info available about the blue jeans? The detectives mentioned that they were not frayed on the bottom, so weren't too long for the person wearing them. (A tall person would have an easier time avoiding too-long bluejeans, I'd guess.) The other idea is that perhaps the jeans were owned by someone who wore thick-soled work shoes or boots, that helped keep the jeans from making contact with the ground.

If the victim was a transient living out of his car, who did odd jobs to keep fed, he may have used that blanket both for work needs as well as for warmth at night. Paint was mentioned as being only on one side. My husband and I have renovated and done construction on three homes (comes with marrying an architect); we have a 30-year assortment of tarps and old blankets used for that purpose. But those all have paint on both sides, as we weren't too fussy which side was 'up' when using them.

And the blanket/quilt may also have been used to pull a dead-weight tall man toward a burial site.

Curious if we could be told the brand of bluejeans? (Any paint spatter on them?)

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

One more thought...the size underwear found at the site is consistent with a guy of that height (a lean, fit one). I won't elaborate on how I know that. Though I will mention that my hubby is in the 6'3" to 6'4" range...

 

[Steleheart]

One more thought...the size underwear found at the site is consistent with a guy of that height (a lean, fit one). I won't elaborate on how I know that. Though I will mention that my hubby is in the 6'3" to 6'4" range...

Yes, and with only size 12 shoes. (Do they show evidence as though they are too small for the wearer?) LOL

:cheers:

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I was rereading the NamUs site, and noticed that they mentioned "T-shirt present on remains around neck and right arm." Also noticed a 2nd photo, showing a long string coming off one part:



So, I'm wondering--if the long string on the rt side of the photo (looks like piece of fabric cut on the bias; it's rolled)--if that is a piece of the neck part, then it would appear that the bird is facing downward, away from the sun. The tail feathers are the closest to the neckline of the shirt. So that would be different than the typical Native American design which had birds flying upward, toward the sun.

For what that's worth.

 

[Dylgem22]

I was thinking about the newspaper with real estate listings ... I am sure if any property listings were circled, they would have contacted them back then to get information? Maybe look up the properties listed and see if there are records for previous owners and question them ... Or see if records are available for contacts inquiring about property .. But this being back in the early 90s it might seem like a long shot to find this kind of info ...

My thoughts on what happened ... Possibly our UID was from OK and knew the registered owner of the vehicle, they got in a fight, or maybe our UID stole the vehicle himself to travel .. The owner tracked him down, or knew someone he was traveling with, and met up, killed him, or maybe the owner hired someone to kill the UID and they called in the tip on the car to get it back to the owner?? Not sure what rely happened, this case is intriguing!!!!!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Yes, and with only size 12 shoes. (Do they show evidence as though they are too small for the wearer?) LOL

:cheers:

Lol, 12W- don't forget the W!

 

[Dylgem22]

Also just tossing ideas out ... I had the missing person Wayne Hickman added to the list ... He was "pigeon toed" per some descriptions I read about him ... What determined the shoes being too small, the wear and stretching of them? Could someone pigeon toed have shoes that show stretch or appear too small?? Maybe not though, he was last seen wearing size 10 shoes ... https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/19312/0

 

[Steleheart]

Yes, we've camped more than once in the southwest; back in our pup tent days I remember taking off my jeans for sleep as they would cut off my circulation if I didn't.

I wonder if there is any more info available about the blue jeans? The detectives mentioned that they were not frayed on the bottom, so weren't too long for the person wearing them. (A tall person would have an easier time avoiding too-long bluejeans, I'd guess.) The other idea is that perhaps the jeans were owned by someone who wore thick-soled work shoes or boots, that helped keep the jeans from making contact with the ground.

If the victim was a transient living out of his car, who did odd jobs to keep fed, he may have used that blanket both for work needs as well as for warmth at night. Paint was mentioned as being only on one side. My husband and I have renovated and done construction on three homes (comes with marrying an architect); we have a 30-year assortment of tarps and old blankets used for that purpose. But those all have paint on both sides, as we weren't too fussy which side was 'up' when using them.

And the blanket/quilt may also have been used to pull a dead-weight tall man toward a burial site.

Curious if we could be told the brand of bluejeans? (Any paint spatter on them?)

I could be wrong but I am decidedly lazy, LOL
If I Recall Correctly they were Levi's 501.

When I come back I will look back for mmarty's post on that because I am sure he is off lunch by now and went back to his actual job. BTW I am grateful and respectful for these 2 detectives because it seems to me they are attacking this cold case in their, er, "free time".

:cow:

 

[Steleheart]

Lol, 12W- don't forget the W!

Mine are narrow, that guy walks on paddles, haha

 

[MrsTigglesworth]

I was rereading the NamUs site, and noticed that they mentioned "T-shirt present on remains around neck and right arm." Also noticed a 2nd photo, showing a long string coming off one part:



So, I'm wondering--if the long string on the rt side of the photo (looks like piece of fabric cut on the bias; it's rolled)--if that is a piece of the neck part, then it would appear that the bird is facing downward, away from the sun. The tail feathers are the closest to the neckline of the shirt. So that would be different than the typical Native American design which had birds flying upward, toward the sun.

For what that's worth.

Thanks! (also for contacting the tee shirt dealer.) I don't think I have posted on this thread before, but have been following along. I also have many of my target ads featuring bird shirts I think you are correct that almost all of them feature the bird flying upward! I am not sure if that part you mentioned would be the neck, though... Maybe! Most tee shirt knit fabric will roll on the edges any way it is cut/torn, but the neck is a binding that is usually thicker and ribbed. I don't think it would roll up like the rest of the shirt. I'm no expert on this, but have done my fair share of redesigning vintage tees.

Happy to be here with you guys and the awesome detectives! Keep up the great work

 

[Miss Muffet]

I could be wrong but I am decidedly lazy, LOL
If I Recall Correctly they were Levi's 501.

I'm lazy too. I'm not feeling well enough to look for the detective's post to verify right now.

But I'm certain are Levi's. I don't remember the number though.