crussell821
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‘Unconstitutional silencing’ yet he can’t seem to shut up.Just...wow, the lies keep coming
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‘Unconstitutional silencing’ yet he can’t seem to shut up.Just...wow, the lies keep coming
I think the key is that this is a civil case, not a criminal case.Whether he did it or not; how can they convict him on her word alone? Where’s the actual evidence (I have no read all the evidence so forgive me but I’ve read some things)? And I’m not just asking for this particular case but I’m asking for other cases as well. I truly don’t understand it. I mean, anyone can accuse a guy of SA for any reason without any proof? I’m a SA/molestation survivor myself so I understand the emotional trauma that it causes (and still causes me) but I just don’t understand how we can just go on her word alone. Araiza, who played for the Buffalo Bills, lost his career over accusations that he participated in a gang rape at a party when he was 17. Bills fired him and his career was over. NOW the DA is coming out and saying the charges were dropped because they have proof the kid wasn’t even there at the time when the rape supposedly occurred. Meanwhile, his life is ruined for no reason. I’m genuinely trying to understand. I have 2 boys and we talk all of the time about these cases and it really does terrify me. I’m also not discounting some of these stories but I’m truly just trying to understand.
He should have gone to court and vehemently denied the charges during trial. I am sure the men who are falsely accused, would in a heartbeat.Whether he did it or not; how can they convict him on her word alone? Where’s the actual evidence (I have no read all the evidence so forgive me but I’ve read some things)? And I’m not just asking for this particular case but I’m asking for other cases as well. I truly don’t understand it. I mean, anyone can accuse a guy of SA for any reason without any proof? I’m a SA/molestation survivor myself so I understand the emotional trauma that it causes (and still causes me) but I just don’t understand how we can just go on her word alone. Araiza, who played for the Buffalo Bills, lost his career over accusations that he participated in a gang rape at a party when he was 17. Bills fired him and his career was over. NOW the DA is coming out and saying the charges were dropped because they have proof the kid wasn’t even there at the time when the rape supposedly occurred. Meanwhile, his life is ruined for no reason. I’m genuinely trying to understand. I have 2 boys and we talk all of the time about these cases and it really does terrify me. I’m also not discounting some of these stories but I’m truly just trying to understand.
Oh I gotcha. Ok. I’ve been following so many other cases lately that I couldn’t keep up with this one. But either way, civil or not; how can lean in her favor regardless? It’s basically her word against his so to speak. Will be interesting to see what the jury does.I think the key is that this is a civil case, not a criminal case.
The threshold for legal guilt is lower for a civil charge than for a criminal charge. But the consequence if found guilty is "only" a fine, and [hopefully] a hit to the reputation. He won't go to jail or have to register as a sex offender.
MOO
Yes you are probably right. Anyone would fight for their reputation but it still doesn’t mean he did it based on her word alone. I guess that’s where I’m hung up (and usually am hung up on these types of cases)He should have gone to court and vehemently denied the charges during trial. I am sure the men who are falsely accused, would in a heartbeat.
However, if a person would have to go and lie under oath, and perjure themselves in that courtroom, they might hesitate and not go on the stand to deny the charges?
Yes you are probably right. Anyone would fight for their reputation but it still doesn’t mean he did it based on her word alone. I guess that’s where I’m hung up (and usually am hung up on these types of cases)
This is why one needs to look at the circumstances surrounding the event and not see it in a vacuum. One can consider history, reputation, an alleged perpetrator's own words, character witnesses etc.Yes you are probably right. Anyone would fight for their reputation but it still doesn’t mean he did it based on her word alone. I guess that’s where I’m hung up (and usually am hung up on these types of cases)
Well, I’m not sure. My point is anyone at anytime can just accuse someone of a SA without any proof at all. It’s basically their word against the accused. Just not sure how anyone can convict with any proof it happened.Are you expecting ring doorbell camera footage of a sexual assualt? What proof do you want?
Well, I’m not sure. My point is anyone at anytime can just accuse someone of a SA without any proof at all. It’s basically their word against the accused. Just not sure how anyone can convict with any proof it happened.
Yes, it basically boils down to who is more believable in their claim.Oh I gotcha. Ok. I’ve been following so many other cases lately that I couldn’t keep up with this one. But either way, civil or not; how can lean in her favor regardless? It’s basically her word against his so to speak. Will be interesting to see what the jury does.
Yes, it basically boils down to who is more believable in their claim.
Of course she had two friends testify that she told them about it at the time. That holds some weight with me personally.
I don't find it believable that she would make up a story in 1996 and then wait until 2019 to try to use it against him -- that would be too long a game to make sense to me!
Not to mention that his defense claims contradict themselves -- he says it never happened, but also that she enjoyed it/said rape was sexy/didn't scream. Irrational, IMO.
And as others have said, an innocent man would be expected to show up to defend himself and offer some proof he wasn't there, or character witnesses asserting he would never assault anyone, etc.
Since the threshold in a civil case is who is more believable, I know how I would vote if I were on that jury.
MOO
It is kind of a no brainer. So why am I so nervous?Yes, it basically boils down to who is more believable in their claim.
Of course she had two friends testify that she told them about it at the time. That holds some weight with me personally.
I don't find it believable that she would make up a story in 1996 and then wait until 2019 to try to use it against him -- that would be too long a game to make sense to me!
Not to mention that his defense claims contradict themselves -- he says it never happened, but also that she enjoyed it/said rape was sexy/didn't scream. Irrational, IMO.
And as others have said, an innocent man would be expected to show up to defend himself and offer some proof he wasn't there, or character witnesses asserting he would never assault anyone, etc.
Since the threshold in a civil case is who is more believable, I know how I would vote if I were on that jury.
MOO
It is kind of a no brainer. So why am I so nervous?
This exactly, and nervous because it will be so hard to keep the faith in the system if Jury comes down on the side of DJT on thisProbably because he gets away with everything. Remember, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and blah blah blah.
I’ll have no faith left if that happens. This country is lost if he keeps being allowed to move forward. IMOThis exactly, and nervous because it will be so hard to keep the faith in the system if Jury comes down on the side of DJT on this![]()