GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

[perfectingpink]

They drove separate cars.....does this mean they were each driving a car, or that they drove one for abduction and a different one for the release?

And, were they surprised by the media attention???? Just what did they thing would happen? Nobody would notice?

http://www.ogd.com/article/20140821/DCO/140829660

"Ms. Vaisey told police when she approached the vegetable stand she parked under a tree out of sight, and Mr. Howells exited the vehicle and asked the girls if they wanted to get a little closer to the vehicle and pet the puppy.

She said one of the girls was getting nervous as Mr. Howells started forcing them into the vehicle the girls started yelling. She said she sped away and headed back to their home in Hermon. She told investigators she backed up to the house and was about 30 feet away from their driveway."

To me, this means they were both in the same vehicle during the abduction. However, they were in separate vehicles when they let the girls go (according to the article).

 

[Inthedetails]

http://www.ogd.com/article/20140821/DCO/140829660

"Ms. Vaisey told police when she approached the vegetable stand she parked under a tree out of sight, and Mr. Howells exited the vehicle and asked the girls if they wanted to get a little closer to the vehicle and pet the puppy.

She said one of the girls was getting nervous as Mr. Howells started forcing them into the vehicle the girls started yelling. She said she sped away and headed back to their home in Hermon. She told investigators she backed up to the house and was about 30 feet away from their driveway."

To me, this means they were both in the same vehicle during the abduction. However, they were in separate vehicles when they let the girls go (according to the article).

I still don't get the detail about backing up to the house and being 30 feet away from their driveway. Why is that significant, I wonder?

 

[Abigail]

http://www.ogd.com/article/20140821/DCO/140829660

"Ms. Vaisey told police when she approached the vegetable stand she parked under a tree out of sight, and Mr. Howells exited the vehicle and asked the girls if they wanted to get a little closer to the vehicle and pet the puppy.

She said one of the girls was getting nervous as Mr. Howells started forcing them into the vehicle the girls started yelling. She said she sped away and headed back to their home in Hermon. She told investigators she backed up to the house and was about 30 feet away from their driveway."

To me, this means they were both in the same vehicle during the abduction. However, they were in separate vehicles when they let the girls go (according to the article).

I think you're right. The wording about the abduction was a bit unclear, but it doesn't make sense that they would have 2 vehicles to kidnap the girls. Plus, witnesses saw somebody throw "something" into the back seat of the white car, and drive off (from earlier reports -- will have to look up wording on that).

Definitely 2 cars when they released the girls. NV drove her car ahead to look out for road blocks, and then SH had the girls in his car. Apparently the choice of where to drop the girls off was random -- probably far enough away from SH's house to arouse suspicion.

I guess they didn't expect such a hue and cry about kidnapped Amish girls. Maybe they thought it wouldn't get reported to police? And, what on earth were they planning to do with them the next time SH's kids came over for visitation? Were they planning to keep them that long? I do find it interesting that the girls thought they saw SH's red car when Stinson was driving them home. Did they just see a random red car and think it was his? Or had SH had second thoughts about releasing potential witnesses and driven back to find the and do God knows what?

 

[Abigail]

I still don't get the detail about backing up to the house and being 30 feet away from their driveway. Why is that significant, I wonder?

I think so they could get the girls from the car and into the house without the neighbors or someone passing by on the road seeing them.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm finding it hard to believe that the plan was to keep the girls as slaves. Even for dumb crooks, that makes no sense given that he has three children who visit/stay with him. And, from the FB pages, we could see they have family and friends who visit their home and property. Was it part of the thrill to have that big secret right under the noses of their extended family (including his own children)?

I'm not quite buying that story yet and still think the "safe release" was part of the original plan. I wonder if by saying they wanted to keep the girls, she's trying to make it worse for SH.

JMO and I reserve the right to change it.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think so they could get the girls from the car and into the house without the neighbors or someone passing by on the road seeing them.

But it seems like a car backing up in a rural area for no reason and being 30 feet away from the driveway would be more noticeable. ?? Perhaps with the terrain, it makes some sense that I don't understand just by seeing the statement on paper. Just seems like an odd thing to point out so specifically.

 

[pugglesworth]

Please tell me the judge is not agreeing to release this horrible woman. Please. She deserves to be in jail even if it's miserable. She had no problem locking up innocents, and she's surely getting much better treatment in jail than what she dished out.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.ogd.com/article/20140821/DCO/140829660

Fowler Town Justice Paul Lamson has found reasonable cause to send the case of a woman accused of helping kidnap two Amish girls up to superior court.

Bradford Riendeau, Ms. Vaisey’s attorney, has asked the court to release his client from custody. He said she is a lifelong county resident and expressed she could be at risk of harm from fellow inmates if she remains incarcerated. He said she would stay with family members.

Det. Sgt. Bigwarfe said Ms. Vaisey gave a statement to him and signed it during their interview.. She said she and Mr. Howells referred to the incident as a “shopping plan” and said he bought vegetables from the stand before coming up with the plan to kidnap the girls.

She said Mr. Howells tied a puppy to the driver’s side in the back seat so the girls would have to lean into the car to pet the dog. Mr. Howells had dropped his three children off with his ex at 6:30 p.m. the night of the kidnapping and they were at the vegetable stand off Mount Alone Road in Heuvelton by 6:45 p.m.
Mr. Howells shoved the two girls in the car and Ms. Vaisey drove away. She said their plan was to make the two girls their slaves.

Det. Sgt. Bigwarfe said the girls were handcuffed together like a three-legged race and cuffed to a bed. She said the girls were allowed to get up to use the bathroom and eat.

Ms. Vaisey told investigators she and Mr. Howells were scared by media reports and opted to release the girls in an isolated area. She said she drove the couple’s white vehicle to check for roadblocks and Mr. Howells followed her with the two girls.

Mr. Howells had scouted the stand days before they reportedly took the two girls.He told Ms. Vaisey he had seen the girls that day and wanted to go back and get them, according to the statement she provided investigators. The puppy was a Golden Retriever-Doberman mix named Kaleidoscope.

She said one of the girls was getting nervous as Mr. Howells started forcing them into the vehicle the girls started yelling.

Poor pup as well as (the obvious) poor girls... having to live with these 's...

I now can't help but wonder if the perps were into bestiality, as well...

:no:

 

[lern2fli]

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140821/NEWS05/140829650
FOWLER — The woman accused of abducting two Heuvelton sisters from a farm stand and sexually abusing them with her boyfriend appeared in Fowler Town Court for a preliminary hearing Thursday afternoon.

Nicole Vaisey, 25, and Stephen M. Howells II, 39, of 1380 County Route 21, Hermon, were arrested Friday and initially both charged with two counts of first-degree kidnapping with the intent to inflict physical injury or sexually violate or sexually abuse. Authorities allege the pair kidnapped the two Amish girls, ages 7 and 12, on Aug. 13. The girls were recovered 24 hours later when they were dropped off in the hamlet of Bigelow, near Richville, and asked a resident to take them home.

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[Abigail]

St. Lawrence County District Attorney Mary E. Rain said the charges were amended to second-degree kidnapping for the purposes of the hearing so the two girls would not have to testify. Det. Sgt. Bigwarfe was the sole witness to testify at the hearing.

Ms. Vaisey was sent back to the St. Lawrence County jail without bail pending further court action.:jail:

http://www.ogd.com/article/20140821/NEWS05/140829650

photo courtesy of JASON HUNTER • WATERTOWN DAILY TIMES

 

[Sin]

BBM....I can't imagine that fact would surprise many people .

Earlier you said (I think it was you) that most submissives are getting what they want out of the relationship. Something to that effect. What kinds of things do you think they "get" or "want"? What types of people get satisfied by that? I'm just curious. Is it a security thing? A self esteem thing? Not able to make decisions on their own?

You're always so helpful answering these questions. I can't remember now what other thread you were on (SM and TM?) but I always enjoy your perspective, so thank you for sharing with us.

ETA: Sorry, that quote came through super weird!

Not really, no, and defiantly no. In fact from what I've seen subs that have self esteem issues actually have more trouble with it. No matter what situation or what you do there is no magic way to depend on anyone else to make you truly feel better about yourself. Thats just going into it for all the wrong reasons.

To answer the question there isn't really that interesting of an answer. It just fits with my personality style and what makes me happy. I dont really have a way to explain why. Why do people love chocolate?

I think a lot of the not understanding why someone would like it is because a lot of the perceptions are wrong. Im a confident woman, I have a job that requires great decision making skills, and I actually make most of the day to day household decisions as well as those involving the kids. For me it's a mostly just in the bedroom/when with friends kind of thing anymore so I might not be the best to answer.

Honestly when I see people like these two that's not part of any lifestyle that was them playing a game and calling it something it wasn't. That's not our lifestyle, and it's against everything we've ever believed in down to the core. Then they decided to take it to the most horrible place a person can go and blaming it on something they were never a part of.

I can put a fish bowel over my head and say I'm an astronaut, but I'm really just a weirdo with a fish bowel on her head.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

He was in one car during the abduction, and she was in another. CORRECTION: Same car during abduction.

He was in one car during the release, and she was in another.

ETA: Correction added

My understanding from the article is...

I believe there was one car in the abduction...

SH shoved the girls in the car... And NV was the "get away" driver...

However... In the release... They drove separate cars so that NV (in the white vehicle) could scope out for road blocks... While SH drove behind in another vehicle with the girls...

JMO....

 

[Sin]

Legal system question (so sorry to interrupt The Lifestyle convo!)....the judge at the preliminary hearing today sent the case to the superior court. Does that mean he sent it to the grand jury to review?

What does "send it to superior court" mean?

I think that just means he's giving up jurisdiction to a court with more power?

 

[Abigail]

But it seems like a car backing up in a rural area for no reason and being 30 feet away from the driveway would be more noticeable. ?? Perhaps with the terrain, it makes some sense that I don't understand just by seeing the statement on paper. Just seems like an odd thing to point out so specifically.

I think we'll need to pull up one of those photos of their property -- the one with the two cars parked in front of a gate. I think that the driveway ends a bit of a distance from the house. So, apparently she pulled all the way up to the house, driving through the yard. Not necessarily noticeable -- for instance, one might do that if they have a big load to carry into the house.

 

[Inthedetails]

St. Lawrence County District Attorney Mary E. Rain said the charges were amended to second-degree kidnapping for the purposes of the hearing so the two girls would not have to testify. Det. Sgt. Bigwarfe was the sole witness to testify at the hearing.

Ms. Vaisey was sent back to the St. Lawrence County jail without bail pending further court action.:jail:

http://www.ogd.com/article/20140821/NEWS05/140829650

Is that a bullet-proof vest??

 

[Sin]

“She was the submissive one,” Mr. Riendeau said last week. “I am currently researching on what happens when prisoners of war go through enhanced interrogation. What torture has done to her personality to determine just how compliant she was? Was it really voluntary? Can you really give consent to be tortured?” he said.

I'm not sure if I want to throw up or freak out more at that statement. Comparing that to POWs?! Really?! As a submissive woman who's man was not too long ago an amazing marine, and who comes from a military family.... I think I'm offended on every single level right now.

As for the question I wouldn't know. It's only been a few years but I've never been tortured or done anything that wasn't completely voluntary.

 

[Sin]

Is that a bullet-proof vest??

Yes. Not a very good one.

ETA: Look at the outline in the officer with his back to the cameras shirt. That's what its supposed to look like.

 

[dotr]

The gross part about that pic of NV, suited up in vest and shackled, is she probably enjoyed it. imo.

 

[Abigail]

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This is a photo of their driveway. So, you can see how it ends well before the house, but you could just keep driving right over the grass to park closer to the house.

Photo taken by: Natasha Haverty, published in North Country Public Radio
http://www.northcountrypublicradio....ential-of-other-victims-of-accused-kidnappers

 

[lern2fli]

I'm not sure if I want to throw up or freak out more at that statement. Comparing that to POWs?! Really?! As a submissive woman who's man was not too long ago an amazing marine, and who comes from a military family.... I think I'm offended on every single level right now.

As for the question I wouldn't know. It's only been a few years but I've never been tortured or done anything that wasn't completely voluntary.

Completely agree. I am also in the lifestyle with a Marine and I can not even fathom how this is being compared!!! She willingly went into this relationship and was in it for years. She apparently went to the police and admitted to this crime while they were still looking for the kids... wondering how that could be possible if she were a POW!! GRRRRR!