GUILTY NY - DM, 6, & FM, 12, Huevelton, 13 August 2014 - #2

[modesty blaise]

these two people are sick and twisted.

 

[Abigail]

(I went back to thread #1 to piece times together, which are a bit approximate)

7:20 PM Wed, Aug 13 - girls kidnapped

Overnight, Aug 13-14 - over 50 police officers join in search, 7 different agencies, border patrol & FBI, roadblocks set up in St. Lawrence and surrounding counties, Amber Alert

7:30ish PM Thurs, Aug 14 - girls dropped off on roadside; they make their way to Stinson's home

8ish PM, Thurs, Aug 14 - Stinsons return the girls to their parents:happydance:; 2 kidnapper still at large

10 PM, Thurs, Aug 14 - police & FBI have questioned girls; looking for 2 kidnappers, one wearing a toque & red Dodge Caliber

Noon, Fri, Aug 15 - DA Rains says, "we have directions from the young ladies on where to begin our search for these people"

Afternoon, Fri, Aug 15 - LE swarms property of SH & NV. Set up a roadblock, police tape around house, escort a red car from home

4 PM, Friday, Aug 15 - Nicole Vaisey (and also SH???) arrives at sheriffs office to turn herself in

8:50 PM, Fri, Aug 15 - DA Rains confirms arrests have been made in the kidnapping :jail:

 

[Abigail]

http://binghamton.twcnews.com/conte...children-abduction-case/#sthash.zRbRBKeY.dpuf

Glad the DA is in agreement with this :

"Mr. Riendeau is indicating that his client was a slave, her statement belies that statement," District Attorney Mary Rain said. "He totally took it out of context. She put herself in that situation. She wanted to be in that situation and she participated fully." -

Sounds like they found the Fetlife site

 

[lern2fli]

And probably the myriad of other sites where she was on video participating in the acts.

One article I read said that they had taken computers, equipment and cd-roms. So, I highly doubt there would be a way she can keep up that defense.

 

[Abigail]

In the hearing tonight, we learned that the charges (for NV at least) have been reduced from 1st to 2nd degree kidnapping, so the girls wouldn't have to testify (DA Rains explanation)

In NYS, 2nd degree kidnapping is abducting another person and is considered a class B felony
1st degree kidnapping is a Class A-1 felony, and considered abducting another person and when:
1) Attempts to collect ransom
2) Holds person for more than 12 hours, w/ intent to physically harm or sexually abuse, commit a felony, terrorize, or interfere w/ a govt function.
3) The kidnapped person dies before being released

Sentencing for kidnapping in 2nd degree is 1 to 25 years

Sentencing for kidnapping in 1st degree is 15 years to life

 

[human]

She has to be a liar. I still think she is a sociopath.

To have no clue that what she did is going to get her in prison indicates to me that there is one person that she thinks about only. Herself.

Not only were the children irrelevant to her, but she was willing to give up her lover in a matter of minutes.

She is incredibly horrible.

No conscience. Nope

 

[human]

In the hearing tonight, we learned that the charges (for NV at least) have been reduced from 1st to 2nd degree kidnapping, so the girls wouldn't have to testify (DA Rains explanation)

In NYS, 2nd degree kidnapping is abducting another person and is considered a class B felony
1st degree kidnapping is a Class A-1 felony, and considered abducting another person and when:
1) Attempts to collect ransom
2) Holds person for more than 12 hours, w/ intent to physically harm or sexually abuse, commit a felony, terrorize, or interfere w/ a govt function.
3) The kidnapped person dies before being released

Sentencing for kidnapping in 2nd degree is 1 to 25 years

Sentencing for kidnapping in 1st degree is 15 years to life

Please please let her get 25 years. But won't other charges get added as more info comes out? Please!

 

[lern2fli]

Please please let her get 25 years. But won't other charges get added as more info comes out? Please!

They said there will be other charges pending after they review all of the evidence. Plus, I believe there are still at least 3 other victims, possibly 4.

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm still puzzled about the police interview with the perps at the station. It sounds like the perps drove themselves and voluntarily showed up to be interviewed? Where they contacted by LE beforehand but not apprehended? I'm missing something.

What? Did they think that because they released them if they went in and ' cleared it all up' , the LE would shake their hands, take a statement and close the file ? Crazy !

 

[SCHMAE]

They said there will be other charges pending after they review all of the evidence. Plus, I believe there are still at least 3 other victims, possibly 4.

It'll be interesting to see if BOTH are charged with the other victims' crimes or merely the male. Then I guess it'll be a little more clear what her role was / is . But for the moment, I gotta tell you , it's not looking good that she was not a willing participant. And I don't care what kind of lifestyle they were in. Lots of people do lots of different lifestyle choices that do not involve stealing and abusing babies. Heck, it sounds like if they had any brains at all, they could have easily found a consenting adult on one of the sites to be their ' slave' willingly. But someone didn't want a consenting adult. That's where the line got crossed and your 'alternative ' mindset turned into sick *advertiser censored**! Sorry, can't muster too much sympathy for her at this time.

 

[lern2fli]

It'll be interesting to see if BOTH are charged with the other victims' crimes or merely the male. Then I guess it'll be a little more clear what her role was / is . But for the moment, I gotta tell you , it's not looking good that she was not a willing participant. And I don't care what kind of lifestyle they were in. Lots of people do lots of different lifestyle choices that do not involve stealing and abusing babies. Heck, it sounds like if they had any brains at all, they could have easily found a consenting adult on one of the sites to be their ' slave' willingly. But someone didn't want a consenting adult. That's where the line got crossed and your 'alternative ' mindset turned into sick *advertiser censored**! Sorry, can't muster too much sympathy for her at this time.

Oh, I am CERTAIN she was a willing participant. Based on what little bit of her confession has been shared, she says "they went shopping for the girls" "They came up with the plan", she's not saying "He did, I was forced at gunpoint to do these things, there's video to prove it".. I am sure once the FBI goes through ALL of the evidence, they will understand she willingly agreed to this as she willingly agreed to the relationship.

That's precisely what I just put on my own blog.. "I wonder if they realize now that they could have had consensual relationships in the lifestyle that may have brought them the same sick twisted releases they wanted... but maybe role-play would have been a better option."

This certainly didn't have to go to this level.

 

[margarita25]

Disgusting!

These poor girls were handcuffed, abused, they must have been so frightened.

Just getting in and trying to catch up---any details re: the circumstances of the girls' release? TIA

 

[human]

Where do these people come from? Where!!!!!!!

 

[pugglesworth]

I can't picture a sociopath agreeing to be submissive or voluntarily going to the police station. I think she's very, very messed up, but not a sociopath.

I reserve the right to change my mind, however.

On the contrary, a sociopath will do or say anything they think will get them what they want. There's no guarantee they'll be smart enough to make an accurate guess, though. I think she thought she could get off completely by turning her boyfriend in and playing the victim card.

 

[hambirg]

This article says that the sheriff's deputies "escorted" the red car away from the property. In today's article, the lawyer for NV says she voluntarily turned herself in. It sounds like LE asked her (and apparently SH) to go down to headquarters to answer questions, and they drove themselves, but were followed by LE just to make sure they didn't pull a runner.

http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Po...Home-For-Evidence-In-Abduction-271443331.html

It sounds like it was a classic race to the courthouse. I love those! It sure does sound like she flipped on him. We don't even know how much of her statement is true. She says SH scoped out the vegetable stand, it was his idea to kidnap the girls, he pushed them in the car, etc. Yep, she flipped! Now I want to hear his side. Prediction. . .it was all her idea, she scoped out the vegetable stand, etc, etc, etc.

Btw, the "wanna come closer to the car to see my puppy" part almost made me laugh if it wasn't so sad. It's like something out of a bad B-rated movie.

 

[Abigail]

It sounds like it was a classic race to the courthouse. I love those! It sure does sound like she flipped on him. We don't even know how much of her statement is true. She says SH scoped out the vegetable stand, it was his idea to kidnap the girls, he pushed them in the car, etc. Yep, she flipped! Now I want to hear his side. Prediction. . .it was all her idea, she scoped out the vegetable stand, etc, etc, etc.

Btw, the "wanna come closer to the car to see my puppy" part almost made me laugh if it wasn't so sad. It's like something out of a bad B-rated movie.

I'm extremely interested in knowing whether SH accompanied NV to the sheriff's headquarters, or just NV went on her own. It's hardly like she suddenly decided to come clean and hopped in her car and drove down to the station. The sheriff's deputies had already swarmed their house and property, and set up a road block on their road. They escorted the red car away from the property. So...it could be one of two scenarios. Maybe the deputies simply asked them to come on down to headquarters for questioning -- didn't read them their Miranda Rights or put them in the squad car because they wanted to see how much they'd share before being arrested and/or requesting a lawyer. Or, like you said, NV saw the handwriting on the wall, and decided that her best chance was to throw SH under the bus, and told the deputies she'd drive down there and talk.
:underbus:

ETA: Just came across this statement from DA Rains that SH apparently also gave some sort of confession:
"“I was delighted that he remanded them after reviewing the statements of both this defendant and the codefendant, Howells, because I think what he saw in those statements was indicative of their culpability,” Ms. Rain said. “I know that Mr. Riendeau has indicated that his client wasn’t very culpable and that she was a slave. Her statement and his statement defeat that defense.”
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140822/NEWS05/140829582

 

[Suthrnqt]

Just got caught up. Phew! So glad these babydollahs were found, but so sad about what they had to endure.

 

[Abigail]

They said there will be other charges pending after they review all of the evidence. Plus, I believe there are still at least 3 other victims, possibly 4.

It looks like the DA is planning to bump the charges back up to 1st degree kidnapping for the Grand Jury. Plus, there will no doubt be other charges added on by that time. I'm still not clear on why bumping the charges down to 2nd degree for yesterday's hearing spared the girls from testifying. First degree would mean they intended to physically harm or sexually abuse the girls, and unless they told the girls that was their intent, then the girls' testimony wouldn't affect the charges. NV's or SH's confessions might, or stuff they'd found on the computers or videos the couple may have made during the girls' captivity.
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140822/NEWS05/140829582

 

[Abigail]

They had been planning the kidnapping for at least a week. "These are sexual predators." (D.A. Rain)

Riendeau: "drives themselves" (as in plural? did that mean both perps went down there to headquarters voluntarily?)

http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Watch-Rain-Riendeau-Comments-From-Hearing-272234711.html

 

[Bootsctr]

Just want to add a HUGE SHOUT OUT to the man and woman on the door of whom these girls knocked! Remember he drove them home and the oldest girl recognized the perps' vehicles when they passed the car on the side of the road. She ducked down. Interesting the way this story is turning out.

Also, I think NV is lying out of her pie hole when she says they let the girls go to the bathroom and eat. BS! Those girls were starving when they finally made it to the Stinsons. They had to feed the girls, watermelon and grape juice! Oooooh! I hope dropping the charges down to 2nd degree doesn't mean she will walk. She's a ! Uh, make that a lying !

I don't know if these 2 were involved with Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Morrissey, but it was discussed on their thread that the girls were possibly left at Seven Bridges alive and died when they were unable to make it out of that area. It's highly possible if they were drugged and in shock from the abuse and torture they very well could have been dumped alive and died after being abandoned in that area. Easy to dehydrate in the summer heat and I would imagine very easily after such an experience. I want to know how long SH has been prowling. Being a nurse, he could have flexible hours and he may have driven many, many miles courting, but making little side trips and taking advantage of any situation with children being alone and seemingly isolated......