Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #14

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Wonder what date that was, does it say in the full article? I'll bet he didn't like Jenn "dictating terms" like that either.

So Jenn was willing to give him a divorce, which makes her making an appointment with an attorney make more sense. In US law how does it work if one partner has been committing adultery, would it impact any settlement? I wonder if she did have a plan to go "shopping" with ES and tell her she knew what was going on, or maybe warn her just what she was getting into.

Someone mentioned insanity plea, I thought that had to be made clear before the trial, as he'd need assessing? And they'd need some expert witnesses to support the claim.

BBM

In general, I imagine Remy would have been paying Jen what is known as Maintenance, think of as a temporary alimony, for a couple of years--guessing minimum of about 5 yrs, until she got on her feet so-to-speak--poss to further her education, secure more work hours, look for a full-time higher paying job, etc. In this case, Maintenance (temporary--remember, Jen was still relatively young) would have been due to the length of the marriage, which is greater than 10 years (more so, 15+ years) AND that she has been a "work" (stay) at-home-mother who has been primarily raising three children and responsible for the home, etc. for over 15 years. Even though she apparently began working part-time outside of the home, her earning ability plus length of marriage would not be substantial enough nor near his earning ability to let him off the hook for temporary Maintenance. All IMO

In NYS, for the most part, adultery has nothing to do with equitable distribution of property, amount of CS ordered and whether or not Maintenance is awarded...unless perhaps had he spent huge amounts of marital money on wining & dining her (mistress), on expensive hotel rooms, on vacations w/her and/or buying very expensive gifts for mistress--IOW, spending large chunks of the marital assets on the mistress. Doesn't appear to be the case here.

Where adultery may have come into play in this case is re custody (prob not visitation). And that might have been if her attorney would have been able to illustrate that the children were being exposed to the mistress, since she was Jen's very close friend and was in the home often With the Children. Not exactly sign of a good enough parent--having the kids "adjust" or exposing the children to Daddy's mistress IMO.

This would have been a high-conflict divorce IMO for all of the above reasons. He was not only going to fight for the house but of course for Sole Custody of the 3 children (children would be having visitation with Jen, if he had his way) so as to not only avoid paying CS, but to avoid paying temporary Maintenance and "losing" (his perception) the home to Jen and the children, etc.

No way. He would have done a version of what we have seen during the trial: She's a drug addict! She's mentally unstable! She's having an affair! She does no housework, no cleaning, nothing...addicted to her iPhone, those games and drugs! She's involved with men on the internet, sending them lewd photos, etc.

His solution was Murder imo. Not bc of adultery per se, but bc he wanted ES--to live with her, to marry her and ES, being a so-called friend of Jen--well, that was just a little bit more complicated than your typical case of adultery.

Of course, he was obviously finished with Jen, but had it not been for his obsession with ES, to be with her, to live with, to marry her>Jen would not have been murdered...just another high conflict ugly divorce.

All IMO
 
Evidence produced by state:
1. Motive
a. Obsession w/ E. Sayles
i. Called Sayles 2,480 times from prison in 2013
ii. "You know I would have done everything and anything for you, and for us to be together” (email sent to ES 1 week before murder
iii. GR & ES broke up end of Nov., but got together again on 12/10, day before Jen was murdered
b. Life insurance policy - $100,000; $200,000 if homicide
c. Discussed consequences of divorce w/ friend – child support & maybe alimony to Jen, would probably lose children and house. Jen knew about affair; had contacted an attorney

2. Alibi fell flat
a. Wasn’t really working on IBM job when he said he was that morning
b. Didn’t really run to the YMCA from his home

3. Lied repeatedly to investigators (and family)
a. Told investigators Jen had gone shopping in Syracuse; later testimony revealed Jen’s van had mechanical problems – the shopping trip was being planned later that week w/ ES, using ES’s car. Jen told her online friend that morning she was going to the bank for the money order, that she was going shopping later that week.
b. Told police Jen left to go shopping between 10 and 10:30 that morning; investigation showed her phone connected to the home’s wireless router at 10:57
c. Told police that when he got home (around 8) that morning from taking the kids to school, Jen was sitting in her bathrobe eating yogurt. But evidence showed she was playing game online and chatting w/ gaming friend and suddenly disappeared from online at 8:15
d. State of their marriage
1. First day told police they had a “perfect marriage” – had not had a fight in 2 weeks; marriage had never been better
2. Next day introduced his mistress; accused Jen on an online affair.
3. Told police Jen didn’t know about affair; evidence produce text messages indicating Jen was aware – spoke of ES as GR’s “trophy wife”
e. Told police he was working on his computer that morning; evidence showed his computer was idle from 8:15 AM to 10:54 AM
f. Told police he ran from home to YMCA at mid-day. No security cameras showed him passing by on the route he gave police. Later, changed his story, and gave a different route. No cameras showed him on that route either. Rather, camera showed him approaching Y from west (direction of apartments where van was left)
g. Told investigators and Jen’s family that she was a drug addict (no drugs found in tox screen)
h. Said he never touched Jen’s phone, but actually touched the snapchat, which took a photo

4. Bizarre & Inappropriate Behavior just after Jen went missing
a. Didn’t invite ES in for sex when she gave him a ride home day of murder; would have almost surely taken advantage of Jen being “out of town shopping” if that really was the case
b. Unusually upset when called police night Jen went missing – said something terrible must have happened to her as she’d have never left him or the children
c. Next day, spoke calmly with close friend Jason on phone; chatted 5 minutes before mentioning Jen was missing
d. Next day, found phone, even when police had already searched that area and not seen it. The phone was in a spot where couldn’t be readily seen from bridge, but GR spotted it miraculously. The phone was undamaged, not a scratch, even though it had allegedly fallen or been thrown 30 feet from the bridge unto a rocky area.
e. GR’s parents arrived the day after Jen went missing. GR told them, “I don’t want you here; go home!”
f. Jen’s parents arrived two days after Jen went missing. GR told them Jen had left with another man. Screamed at Jen’s parents and sister that she had betrayed him; told them his mistress was a better Mom than Jen ever was
g. Didn’t want Jen’s sister to look for Jennifer
h. Remy’s friend Jason bought plane tickets to come up to NY when Jen went missing to help find her; Remy got angry and told him not to come
i. Five days after Jen went missing, propositioned banker for 3-way tryst
j. Within first week Jen went missing, told ES’s parents he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her; no mention of Jen. ES’s stepfather said GR seemed more concerned about Eileen than his missing wife.
k. In first week after Jen went missing, wrote on his FB page that the first funeral he would ever attend would be his wife’s
l. In first week after Jen went missing, tried to show Jen’s mother nude photos of Jen, insinuating that she was sending nude photos to other women. Trial demonstrated that the nude photos were on GR’s computer and phone, along with some of them together, and also some of E. Sayles. The photos were for him/some by him and/or of him. Both ES’s photos and JR’s photos around Halloween 2012.
m. Repeatedly told Jen’s parents that she was on drugs – a drug addict.
n. GR's mistress testified he never looked for Jen; he was controlling and manipulative -- changed her mailing address without her permission, was verbally abusive, screamed at her. Taped phone called recorded GR telling his mistress that Jen was a drug addict, and had been having an affair with another guy for 1 year and a half.
o. Four days after Jen went missing, Inspector Powell reported that in interview, GR more concerned about public finding out about his affair than the fact that his wife was missing

5. Forensics & such
a. Jennifer victim of homicide; Jenn's body showed pre-death injuries: external bruising & lacerations; internal bleeding & hemorrhages, including bleeding under the skin on the left side of her skull and a hemorrhage on the back of her skull that shows she was struck in the head.; ruled out the possibility of natural causes of death or a drug overdose. Condition of the body was consistent with her dying on 12/11/12; moved after death; no logical reason for an otherwise healthy woman to be left naked on side of remote road other than homicide
b. Jennifer’s blood on floor of van between back seats. Spots of it in front of van.
c. Remy & Jen’s blood found mixed together on sweatshirt Remy wore that day
d. Little or no snow under Jen’s body. Left there before snow started later that week
e. Mud splatters indicate van used to dispose of Jen’s body on day she went missing. Raining that day; dry next 5 days until van found.

6. No other suspects; no one else who disliked Jen or wanted her dead

Defense
1. Police bungled job
2. Only looked at GR; didn’t look at anyone else
3. GR couldn’t have disposed of the phone, Jen’s body, left the van at the apartments and gotten to the Y in just 74 minutes. (actually, ORR already proved it could be done in less than an hour; I think prosecution has made that clear with their maps – hope so!!)
 
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